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Problems with top cut at BRs?

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Lawman said:
Unless you are claiming 6 rds of swiss. I'd like to see the BR on that one. Name the locations....
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Johnston RI 72 participants 35ish Masters
Milford MA started out with 70-ish participants i believe 35ish were Masters.

33 - 64 = 6 rounds of swiss!


Though some of the BRs we've had didn't seem to me like the top cut was accurate - 20 players should be T4 but TOM only did T2.
 
Is there a published table of the conditions (and numbers in particular) needed to be met for a specific number of rounds and top cut
 
DarkJake said:
Is there a published table of the conditions (and numbers in particular) needed to be met for a specific number of rounds and top cut
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Check the Rules and Resources page for all floor rules. In particular, see the Tournament Operations Procedures document for details on number of rounds, tops cuts, and tiebreakers.

One note, however. All Battle Roads are limited to a maximum top cut of Top 4, regardless of the number of players.
 
DarkJake said:
Is there a published table of the conditions (and numbers in particular) needed to be met for a specific number of rounds and top cut
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[PRE]
Players per Swiss Rounds: Single Elimination:
Age division:
6-8 2 or 3 Top 2
9–11 3 or 4 Top 2
12–16 3 or 4 Top 4 or 2
17–22 4 or 5 Top 4 or 2
23–32 4 or 5 Top 8, 4 or 2
33–45 5 or 6 Top 8, 4 or 2
46–64 5 or 6 Top 16, 8, 4, or 2
65–90 6 or 7 Top 16, 8, 4, or 2
91–128 6 or 7 Top 32, 16, 8, 4, or 2
129–256 7 or 8 Top 32, 16, 8, 4, or 2
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http://www.go-pokemon.com/op/tournaments/docs/2007-2008/Tournament_Operation_Procedures.pdf
 
TOs are allowed to run the lower number of swiss rounds if a top cut is also run.

So the complete set of options for a pod with 50 players are:-

6 rounds swiss (henceforth 6S) no top cut
6S + Top 16
6S + Top 8
6S + Top 4
6S + Top 2
5S + Top16
5S + Top 8
5S + Top 4
5S + Top 2

Any top cut of four or greater can have a 3/4 playoff.
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Not all of which are allowed at Battle roads where the maximum cut is Top 4, with no 3/4 playoff. I've highlighted the 50 player structures that are allowed for Battle Roads.
 
bulbasnore said:
My bad and my apologies to all the players. There should have be top 4-2-2 at Lancaster and top 2 at Bakersfield.
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Mistakes happen Kim, as much as I would have liked a chance to keep going in the BR. The winner of the Masters Division was the only 4-0 after 4 rounds and the other four were 3-1 (myself included). We have enjoyed having you run our events here in Lancaster and will continue to for as long as you will show up. :thumb:
 
BJJ763 said:
Johnston RI 72 participants 35ish Masters
Milford MA started out with 70-ish participants i believe 35ish were Masters.

33 - 64 = 6 rounds of swiss!


Though some of the BRs we've had didn't seem to me like the top cut was accurate - 20 players should be T4 but TOM only did T2.
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....and in the 20 player group that only did T2 -- 2 players didn't get a chance to try their hand at going further, nor did they get their opportunity to earn points for playing top cut rounds, and there is no going back to regain those points either. What is done, is done. Hope it gets worked out before tournies proceed ahead.
 
33–45 5 or 6 Top 8, 4 or 2
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How is that having inflated rounds if that is what the software dictates?

And yes Patty I agree with you it seems like the Sr's are getting punished by not having as many rounds as they should. If there are 20 players it seems to me that a Top 4 should happen.
 
I gotta say to the player to judge ratio where gonna need some new judges fast! You can't stop us from growing!

8-15 players = 1 judge
16-31 players = 2 judges
32-47 players = 3 judges
48-63 players = 4 judges
64-79 players = 5 judges

Where almost breaking the 79 cap for let alone a BR. So far so good for New England events.
 
where are all these 'new judges' supposed to come from, if the players don't step up and do some giving back to the game? bit of a catch-22, isn't it?

'mom
 
SD PokéMom said:
where are all these 'new judges' supposed to come from, if the players don't step up and do some giving back to the game? bit of a catch-22, isn't it?

'mom
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Same place all the Nurse Joys and Officer Jennys come from.

Right? :wink:

However, I would have to concur. The number of willing organizers/judges is the main obstacle to further growth of the game.
 
JohnnyBlaze said:
How is that having inflated rounds if that is what the software dictates?

And yes Patty I agree with you it seems like the Sr's are getting punished by not having as many rounds as they should. If there are 20 players it seems to me that a Top 4 should happen.
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That is for sure! There have been at least 2 events that I have looked at numbers where according to the previously noted chart that the Srs have gotten ripped from a T4!! .....and the top 4-6 players at all of the NE BR events have been consistently up in the top rungs and they all deserve the opportunity! TOM not working "right" is not their fault. Why can't we do it on paper and submit it in if the software is messing up instead of these kids losing out?

......and IMO the judge/player ratio conversation in above comments is off topic here. This thread is about problems with top cut at BRs. I think the judge/player ratio conversation definitely needs discussion because some of our New England events have been in need of more judging staff, but it belongs elsewhere.
 
I thought I was the only one who forgot to do the top cut thing in TOM. I ran it 4 - 2 - 2 top cuts on paper and sent it over in an email to PUI. They updated the kid's scores and all is well in the "World of Pokemon". ^_^
 
Pokemon No Baka said:
I thought I was the only one who forgot to do the top cut thing in TOM. I ran it 4 - 2 - 2 top cuts on paper and sent it over in an email to PUI. They updated the kid's scores and all is well in the "World of Pokemon". ^_^
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I think that is a problem. In all fairness to all players. Our PTO did not run paper top cut. If the TOM said T2, no matter the numbers, it was done as T2, even if the player numbers supported T4. So the kids that played did not get to play T4, even though, in my opinion they should have been able to.

There doesn't seem to be any consistency! That's not fair to the kids.
 
TheDarkTwins said:
Well, for T4 you need 13 players or more. We had a BR last year, when we had 17 players in MA. We had 5-6 players drop in the last 3 rounds bringing the total to 11/12. The software changed the Top Cut from 4 to 2.

Drew
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i remember that..>_> i was one of the 2 ppl who didnt make top 4 same with my bro..>_>
 
patty due to issues in the past Tom ( the TO) has run the software as is then contacting PUI with the problems. at this point he is IMO trying to avoid another Regional with a t16 cut. i now it sticks but when told you use the Software as is he is doing such. i know it sticks to have it happen and i am sry i know i would have loved more rounds but the problem then lies in PUI's hands not so much Tom ( the TO)
 
I know that, because I talked to Tom S! It just stinks that others are going out on their own and doing the Top cut on paper. Look at the point differences between those that have played additional rounds with Top cut and those that have not. Even with only 8 points at stake. Over the course of several tournies those points add up! I just don't think it's fair that some are not goint by TOM and doing their own thing and as is the case they can't go back and unwind those points and take them away as we can't now give those points out.
 
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