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Proposing a possible first: Ban from Unlimited?

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Yes, Tyranitar. No need to resort to calling names when the rest of your post speaks so eloquently.

And I don't know where the "all" part of that came from.

I certainly wouldn't dismiss a championship deck as easily as some people do.

Anyway, refute the words, not the person writing them. OK?
 
Jeremy- First off all, I do not think that Donphan Slowking is a good deck in the least. I think it sucks, and that the reason it won is because Mindy was a very good player for the 10- age division, and hands down, skill playing matters 100 fold in the 10- division compared to the older divisions where most players are able to play at a certain level. Also, while yes, the 10- arent HORRIBLE, alot of them have issues dealing with and formulating a strategy to deal with a hit and run style of attack. While yes, alot of them are great players, a large majority cannot formulate strategies out of a trainer lock plus hit and run. I do think alot of why the deck won is due to the player, and not that Donphan Slowking was even any good. Take Donphan Slowking and put it up against anyone who knows how to fight Donphan Slowking well and it does infinitely worse.

As for where I play being without slowkings or with "dignity " that is utter ********. We have many of the best players in this game at our store. Ever hear of Gymbo, Rockets Sandshrew, Dark Psyduck ( Brian Six ) Jedi Drew, Tom Dolezal, or *Misty* at all? Gymbo is definitely one of the leading deck builders and a TMP champion this year. Rockets Sandshrew was a very respected player and t8ed at both the CSC and Prof Championship 2002. Dark Psyduck is a TMP Champion and won the CSC. Jedi Drew got 2nd at the ECSC. Tom got 2nd at the CSC and the Columbus GC, and was ranked in the top DCI rankings for years while playing every week. Yes, he had an over 2150 ranking WHILE playing weekly. Notice how everyone else who is high ranked stays inactive? Thought so. Id also like to point out that ALL of these players had Slowkings, as well as any other card, and they were willing to use whatever it takes to win. So yes, neither of your ideas for why they weren't used are accurate...as Im sorry, Slowking just sucked in MMF. Heck, Ill make everyone a deal. Make a Slowking deck for MMF. Ill play you on Apprentice.


Next off, you run a deck with RSA and no IOR. Its horrible. Trust me. Id never be caught dead doing so. Even more so with TRT. Without the combos they are worthless, run Lass instead. Don't even start with me on this one, its that blatant. As for Entei and Magcargo coming out in the same set....OBVIOUSLY they did. Im not a retard. Enteis first combo was not with Magcargo either, merely Blaines RK9. You tell me anyone would HONESTLY run Magcargo without Entei though...for a long time people ran Entei RK9, and neglected Cargo as crap, until they replaced him in the list. So please do not tell me to " Get My Facts Straight " about a comment I made to emphasize that Cargo is not worth playing in MF unless with Entei...well, Typhlosion as well, but again, its a synergy issue. Without those cards to " Break " it, it could not stand against Crobat and Gatr decks. So instead of telling me I am stupid for how a comment sounds in the literal term, due to the cards being in the same set, why not look to what the IDEA behind the comment is...you know, that thing in it that I mean to get accross...aka the point of it? So yeah. Stop being so literal and try to interept things for what they are.

As for bashing being allowed...I don't call that bashing. I call that stating the obvious in an attempt to stop one of the most ludicrious discussions I have seen on a board in a long time. Banning a card in UNLIMITED makes it no longer a format. Its that simple. You cannot ban anything and still call it Unlimited. You would need to make a 3rd format, as I have said. Anyone can always play "anything goes", thus Unlimited, and therefore the format will always exist. You cannot simply ELIMINATE playing the game without any "house rules " basically. ( House rules applying to formats...aka, the basic game played by people who have no access to tournement rules online...) You simply cannot prohibit anyone from playing the game unrestricted.

I can understand debating banning a card in a format...thats perfectly fine. Formats are made in order to attempt to level the playing field somewhat. Debate that all you want. But please, Unlimited cannot be changed to another format and still be Unlimited.

Also...one last little invitation to old Jeremy there. Please IM me at Jvcbt sometime. I have a few words to say to you that I really cannot say on these boards if your willing to take them and have a bit of a discussion. Thank you.
 
I could be wrong, but I don't think Jeremy was neccessarialy aiming that comment about the calibre of players at your league at you.
He was replying to a number of posts in that post.
 
[Clears throat]

Lets continue the discussion gentlemen...It was going pretty good.Knock off the "idiot" crap and the starring of improper words or I`ll have no choice to...I also don`t want to lock this but if it persists...

`Sensei
 
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Tyranitar666 said:
Jeremy- First off all, I do not think that Donphan Slowking is a good deck in the least. I think it sucks, and that the reason it won is because Mindy was a very good player for the 10- age division, and hands down, skill playing matters 100 fold in the 10- division compared to the older divisions where most players are able to play at a certain level. Also, while yes, the 10- arent HORRIBLE, alot of them have issues dealing with and formulating a strategy to deal with a hit and run style of attack. While yes, alot of them are great players, a large majority cannot formulate strategies out of a trainer lock plus hit and run. I do think alot of why the deck won is due to the player, and not that Donphan Slowking was even any good. Take Donphan Slowking and put it up against anyone who knows how to fight Donphan Slowking well and it does infinitely worse.
I don't think the deck won purely because of the player, if Mindy was soooo great, then why did she have to ripoff someone elses deck idea(And yes, Mindy admitted to ripping off the deck)?
You gonna tell us that Jason Klaczynski is a great player because he did great in some big tourney's(T8 at ECSTS) because he copied other peoples decks(No offense to JK, just provin' a point ;) )?

Tyranitar666 said:
As for where I play being without slowkings or with "dignity " that is utter ********. We have many of the best players in this game at our store. Ever hear of Gymbo, Rockets Sandshrew, Dark Psyduck ( Brian Six ) Jedi Drew, Tom Dolezal, or *Misty* at all? Gymbo is definitely one of the leading deck builders and a TMP champion this year. Rockets Sandshrew was a very respected player and t8ed at both the CSC and Prof Championship 2002. Dark Psyduck is a TMP Champion and won the CSC. Jedi Drew got 2nd at the ECSC. Tom got 2nd at the CSC and the Columbus GC, and was ranked in the top DCI rankings for years while playing every week. Yes, he had an over 2150 ranking WHILE playing weekly. Notice how everyone else who is high ranked stays inactive? Thought so. Id also like to point out that ALL of these players had Slowkings, as well as any other card, and they were willing to use whatever it takes to win. So yes, neither of your ideas for why they weren't used are accurate...as Im sorry, Slowking just sucked in MMF. Heck, Ill make everyone a deal. Make a Slowking deck for MMF. Ill play you on Apprentice.
"as Im sorry, Slowking just sucked in MMF.", ok, could you please explain to us why Worlds was DOMINATED by Slowking decks then :p ?

Tyranitar666 said:
Next off, you run a deck with RSA and no IOR. Its horrible. Trust me. Id never be caught dead doing so. Even more so with TRT. Without the combos they are worthless, run Lass instead. Don't even start with me on this one, its that blatant. As for Entei and Magcargo coming out in the same set....OBVIOUSLY they did. Im not a retard. Enteis first combo was not with Magcargo either, merely Blaines RK9. You tell me anyone would HONESTLY run Magcargo without Entei though...for a long time people ran Entei RK9, and neglected Cargo as crap, until they replaced him in the list. So please do not tell me to " Get My Facts Straight " about a comment I made to emphasize that Cargo is not worth playing in MF unless with Entei...well, Typhlosion as well, but again, its a synergy issue. Without those cards to " Break " it, it could not stand against Crobat and Gatr decks. So instead of telling me I am stupid for how a comment sounds in the literal term, due to the cards being in the same set, why not look to what the IDEA behind the comment is...you know, that thing in it that I mean to get accross...aka the point of it? So yeah. Stop being so literal and try to interept things for what they are.
#1. Nobody saying that IOR, RSA, or TRT is great on it's own, but combined, they do make a pretty awesome combo. #2. Last I checked, you are the one who stated "No one ran Magcargo before Entei.", no one's saying(At least not that I've seen) that Magcargo was the first card comboed with Entei. #3. I don't recall anyone calling you "stupid", as I remember, you're the one who said "First off, you people are idiots saying it made Donphan good...OBVIOUSLY.", it seems to me that you were calling other people "idiots", not that anyone called you "stupid". #4. "So yeah. Stop being so literal and try to interept things for what they are", I may be wrong, but are asking us, not to go by what you wrote, but rather take guesses at what we think you mean :D ?

Tyranitar666 said:
As for bashing being allowed...I don't call that bashing. I call that stating the obvious in an attempt to stop one of the most ludicrious discussions I have seen on a board in a long time. Banning a card in UNLIMITED makes it no longer a format. Its that simple. You cannot ban anything and still call it Unlimited. You would need to make a 3rd format, as I have said. Anyone can always play "anything goes", thus Unlimited, and therefore the format will always exist. You cannot simply ELIMINATE playing the game without any "house rules " basically. ( House rules applying to formats...aka, the basic game played by people who have no access to tournement rules online...) You simply cannot prohibit anyone from playing the game unrestricted.
#1. "I call that stating the obvious in an attempt to stop one of the most ludicrious discussions I have seen on a board in a long time.", Again, I might be wrong, but wouldn't it be more effective to give an accually valid reason for your opinion, instead of calling other people "idiots"?
#2. "Banning a card in UNLIMITED makes it no longer a format. Its that simple. You cannot ban anything and still call it Unlimited.", well then, I guess that means there's no such thing as an "Unlimited" according to that logic, since "Ancient Mew", and "Bday Pikachu" are both BANNED in Unlimited. Yes, I know "Ancient Mew" was banned because of no English translation version of it.
#3. "You would need to make a 3rd format, as I have said.", Aren't "Sealed" and "Draft" formats? If so, would that not mean that a new format would be the 5th? :p

This post was IMO of course, no offense was meant by any of the contents of this post.
Thanks for reading.
 
I never saw this post before but my comments were solicited, so I'll throw in what I think. But I want to make the few things that affect my point of view clear.

First of all, I've never built a deck that had Slowking in it. I designed one once, but by the time I got close to having all the cards for it Slowking was banned.
Second, the biggest tournament I've competed in were STS qualifiers. I've judged in larger events, but the largest event I've competed in was Unlimited when I believe only Neo Genesis was out. I placed second with my Koga's Beedrill/Muk/Dark Muk/ Dark Vileplume deck (only lost in the finals because ALL my stage 2's were in my prizes).

All that being said, I don't really see how banning Slowking would benefit the Unlimited environment. Most high stakes games of Unlimited that I've seen were games of Trainermon. Either whoever Lass/Eeeeeeeked won, or whoever happened to get their first pokemon powered up with a hand full of ER/SER won. Slowking, in my opinion, adds to Unlimited and makes it a richer environment. Instead of battling out with Trainers players have to keep in mind that their pokemon need to contribute too.
Being an active player, I've played against many Slowking decks and though they challanged me I did not find Slowking to be all powerful. Adapting your playing style can make Slowking into a much minor threat. And don't complain about having to build your deck around what other players might play. That's what deck building is all about, making a deck that you think will perform will in the environment where it will be played (or just having fun like my Exeggutor 36 coin flip deck).
I think this is just a case of one card being singled out because it vastly changed the state of the format. A lot of people cried out for the banning of Feraligatr in modified because it was too strong, but once people learned to deal with it it wasn't so bad. There was no perfect way to counter the deck, but no deck really does have a perfect counter to it. The same thing applies to Slowking. Are there counters? Yes. Are the perfect? Of course not, no card has a perfect counter (unless you count Seviper and Zangoose).

So I say keep Slowking and learn to play your game with it. Play around with how much trainer support you really need. Take a look at some of the Nintendo cards. A lot of the new pokemon have attacks and pokemon powers that are replacing trainers. Just keep your mind open to all the options before Limiting Unlimited.
 
Hmm.....I think it`s best to just lock this....some of the replies are still centered on things that will only keep the "flaming" going(response about "idiots",etc).

Call this a final warning to anyone and everyone(you too JDB).Knock this off right now or...you know the deal.

Having a discussion and offering different point of views is definately ok,but mudslinging and name calling is not going to be tolerated.

You are welcome to start a new thread,but I better not see any of this spill over to it if you do.

`Sensei
 
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