yes, im down for this petition if it turn into something physical, based on my pre-release alone, i pulled none of the above from 16 packs of plasma blast. the variance in EX specially, i think should be one in every 6 at most 8. Buying multiple cases might be then a bigger gamble with plasma blast, i guess we will all know around august 14th.
Pull Rates for Plasma Blast
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Ratios were changed from a per box basis to a per case basis around Dragons Exalted.
Someone from Pokebeach talked to someone from TPCi and they gave us some BS about "the sense of wonder" when you open up a more randomized booster. You get that sense of wonder when you buy random boosters from retailers, but when you're buying booster boxes you're looking for a return, at the very least breaking even.
If you don't want to gamble, buy a case. You will get around 11-13 EX's, 8-10 FA's, 2-3 SR, 6-9 Ace Specs.
Otherwise, you're stuck with inconsistent boxes. You might get a terrible box, but another box from that same case will be amazing.
In all honesty, if we weren't complaining about the low rate on Ultra rares, we would be complaining about the pull rates on money cards.
Last set everyone was all pissy that they weren't getting 3-3 of Deoxys Thundurus in their boxes. Andif it wasn't that, it was the inconsistent ultra rare to pack ratio.If anyone is really trying to build a deck or collect, just buy singles if you're worried about boxes.
Last set everyone was all pissy that they weren't getting 3-3 of Deoxys Thundurus in their boxes. Andif it wasn't that, it was the inconsistent ultra rare to pack ratio.If anyone is really trying to build a deck or collect, just buy singles if you're worried about boxes.
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Pandemonium
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No they weren't LOL. Pull rates were garbage for that set too. Source please.
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Swordfish1989
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I have to agree with this. If I got a box with 4 ex, 2 FA, 2 Ace Specs I'd be thrilled. I MUCH prefer that to the chance of getting a super box or a terrible box.
With Plasma Freeze I traded some boxes for bulk to people at my league. Both people pulled absolute junk.. one of them I believe got only 1 ex! That's unacceptable.
That also means that a more unscrupulous person could just open boxes in a case, and if they open a really good box or two, they just sell the remaining ones since they'll like have junk.
Pandemonium
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I opened a couple freeze boxes with 1 ex and 1 ace spec. Both times the ex was Latias, and the Ace Spec was Life Dew. I opened a case of the set. One box was outstanding and the rest were a waste. It was pretty shocking to open a whole box and pull one EX. Same thing happened with a random Boundaries Crossed box I bought out of the blue, too. :/
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Swordfish1989
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Oof, that's just inexcusable =/
I'd say just get blisters instead, but... I have friends who work at stores where blisters are sold and they just weigh the packs and pull the best cards.
I'd say just get blisters instead, but... I have friends who work at stores where blisters are sold and they just weigh the packs and pull the best cards.
vaporeon
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The thing is Pokemon does not like gambling. Its one of the reasons they removed it from the game to prevent kids from developing bad habits. Buying these "random" booster packs is gambling and with packs at almost 5 buck, it ends up being a huge loss. Ratios were changed at the beginning of black and white. No box had consistent pull ratios. Why should I waste 500 bucks buying a case of cards when I'm only looking for ultra rares? I did that last time and wasted money. I rather gamble within ratios for a children product. I'm not in Vegas, I'm playing Pokemon.
I dont care what ultra rare I get, as long as I get them in about every 6 packs. I dont play Pokemon for a return. I play it for fun but those who do wish to resale, deserve competent ratios of rares.
I dunno about older sets of BW, but Dark Explorers had set rates. One guy on YouTube even cracked the pack art pattern and could pull only Ultra Rares from boxes. He'd go through, take 3 EX and 2 FA I think, then move on to the next box. Then I remember when Dragons Exalted came out people were going on about crazy random ratios. Repeat for BCR, PS and PF.
It's gambling in the sense that you want a "good" card, ie valuable.
It's not legally gambling because you aren't putting in money hoping for more money out. You're buying a product, which may or may not contain a subset of that product that is worth more than you paid initially. It's not technically gambling, but it plays on the same psychological principals of gambling. You get a rush when you open a booster, and even bigger rush when you pull a really good card. The same feeling a gambling addict feels when they win at the slots or at the tables. Ever told yourself "One more booster"?
The same way crates in TF2 isn't legally gambling, but uses the same mechanics as a slot machine.
I called the rep's answer BS because if you're buying a box chances are you're in it for the long haul. You might buy more boxes to get the cards you want, spending more money. They're just trying to squeeze more money out of consumers. Instead of just saying they feel ultra rares need to be rarer, they came up with that sense of wonder BS.
I also don't like it, I'd much rather have consistent ratios across boxes rather than cases. At this point you're better off buying singles, maybe trying to snipe eBay auctions.
Cases are consistent, but if you're only going for Ultra Rares, you will lose money in most cases. Only if you get extremely lucky and only pull money cards will you break even or even profit slightly. I'm talking boxes of nothing but Deoxys FA, Thundurus FA, Juniper FA and Ultra Balls. Not gonna happen. If it did the market would be flooded and the prices decrease, and you make a loss anyway.
But yeah, collecting for fun is getting harder. The spirit can only take so much before it dies.
vaporeon
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Gambling is gambling. If they play on peoples "bad money" habits by offering a "chance" to get something worth wild with money, then its considered gambling. The difference in a game deciding what you get and a booster pack is in games, everything is coded with a chance. 20 percent being a rare, 80 percent being common or whatever. With these packs, you can get an entire box with no ultra rare. it feels like a scam and even more so when a kid spends the last of their money trying to get a EX when it should be guaranteed. Video games are different because you use in game currency, points or earn them with the rewards not being real.
The thing here is to not just accept it. I stopped buying cards because I wont be apart of a system thats willing trying to rip people off. NO ONE should spend 600 bucks on a case of card and get only 1 good box. No one should get a box and get only 1 EX or none at all. With the market the way it is, no one should stand for this.
Most dont care what EX they get from a box, as long as they get them. The since of wonder comes from which EX will I get from my set ratios. If I get a good, then thats great. If I dont, then I dont really care because I still got a ultra rare. Most people like buying boxes because its fun to open packs to see what you get. I know I do but when you open a box to find there were no ultra rares in 36 packs or you only got one, you feel ripped.
Us as consumers can do something about this.
The thing here is to not just accept it. I stopped buying cards because I wont be apart of a system thats willing trying to rip people off. NO ONE should spend 600 bucks on a case of card and get only 1 good box. No one should get a box and get only 1 EX or none at all. With the market the way it is, no one should stand for this.
Most dont care what EX they get from a box, as long as they get them. The since of wonder comes from which EX will I get from my set ratios. If I get a good, then thats great. If I dont, then I dont really care because I still got a ultra rare. Most people like buying boxes because its fun to open packs to see what you get. I know I do but when you open a box to find there were no ultra rares in 36 packs or you only got one, you feel ripped.
Us as consumers can do something about this.
Just go to the thread for the last sets pull rates and read. Basically every person was mad that they weren't pulling only Doexys and Thundurus or FA Junipers. Its happens. When a set has 100+ cards, you're bound to get the ones you don't want eventually. That's why if you really care which cards you get, you'd buy singles.
iNewtonior
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I pulled a FA Virizion in my second pack at my prerelease, and a regular art in my third. I also pulled a G-Booster, 2 Catchers, and 2 Silver Bangles
Hunter2hitman
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What a bunch of sour apples up in here! 
Ive been buying a case of each set since DRX and have been quite please with each and every case. Sure i dont get a play set of each EX, but typically youll get 2-3 of each EX (considering both reg and FA) as well as 2-3 SRs, and usually 2 FA supporters. Newer sets have been toting an average of 6-7 ace specs per case. The distribution per case is very even.
While i do agree that box-by-box is relatively unpredictable, the average per box is pretty good. The odd box may have more or less than average and thats what youll often hear about... That amazing box or that garbage box.
Im very much looking forward to cracking a case of Plasma Blast.
Ive been buying a case of each set since DRX and have been quite please with each and every case. Sure i dont get a play set of each EX, but typically youll get 2-3 of each EX (considering both reg and FA) as well as 2-3 SRs, and usually 2 FA supporters. Newer sets have been toting an average of 6-7 ace specs per case. The distribution per case is very even.
While i do agree that box-by-box is relatively unpredictable, the average per box is pretty good. The odd box may have more or less than average and thats what youll often hear about... That amazing box or that garbage box.
Im very much looking forward to cracking a case of Plasma Blast.
Bilbo Baggins
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What a bunch of sour apples up in here!
Ive been buying a case of each set since DRX and have been quite please with each and every case. Sure i dont get a play set of each EX, but typically youll get 2-3 of each EX (considering both reg and FA) as well as 2-3 SRs, and usually 2 FA supporters. Newer sets have been toting an average of 6-7 ace specs per case. The distribution per case is very even.
While i do agree that box-by-box is relatively unpredictable, the average per box is pretty good. The odd box may have more or less than average and thats what youll often hear about... That amazing box or that garbage box. .
Not everyone has the money to buy a case.....
Swordfish1989
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Or the patience to open one lol
PokemonTrader
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I'm confused why there is someone saying that it isn't gambling?
I'm sorry, but if you know what packs have EXs in it, tell me.
Likewise with full arts, shinies and ace spec.
If it wasn't gambling this should be no problem. :tongue:
In fact...
26C5 (C) * 33C3 (UC) * 42C1 (Rare) * 95C1 (RH)
That is the number of possibilites in one card pack
So, try and tell me that it isn't gambling..
There is odds and probabilities flying around!
I'm sorry, but if you know what packs have EXs in it, tell me.
Likewise with full arts, shinies and ace spec.
If it wasn't gambling this should be no problem. :tongue:
In fact...
26C5 (C) * 33C3 (UC) * 42C1 (Rare) * 95C1 (RH)
That is the number of possibilites in one card pack
So, try and tell me that it isn't gambling..
There is odds and probabilities flying around!
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I have a feeling you haven't been reading my posts. You won't find 1 good box out of 6 in a case. You'll probably find 2 average boxes, 2 amazing boxes and 2 crappy boxes. The two amazing boxes are offsetting the 2 crappy boxes. This is all fine if you have the money to order a sealed case, but if some kid gets the crappy box he or she will be severely put off collecting.
Cases are very consistent. The amount of ultra rares per case varies by 1 or 2 per ultra rare type. and even then if there is more of one ultra rare, there will be less of another ultra rare. For example one case may have 1 more EX than average cases, but 1 less full art to compensate.
Simply not buying boosters, boxes or cases won't do anything. If you write an open letter to TPCi stating why you will not be buying any more, along with a list of signatures. Even then they may not give a toss.
I'm confused why there is someone saying that it isn't gambling?
I'm sorry, but if you know what packs have EXs in it, tell me.
Likewise with full arts, shinies and ace spec.
If it wasn't gambling this should be no problem. :tongue:
In fact...
26C5 (C) * 33C3 (UC) * 42C1 (Rare) * 95C1 (RH)
That is the number of possibilites in one card pack
So, try and tell me that it isn't gambling..
There is odds and probabilities flying around!
Who's saying it's not gambling? Buying boosters is gambling, buying boxes didn't used to be, but now it is. Buying cases isn't, if you're banking on the number of ultra rares you get. But you're still gambling on which specific ultra rares you get.
What a bunch of sour apples up in here!
Ive been buying a case of each set since DRX and have been quite please with each and every case. Sure i dont get a play set of each EX, but typically youll get 2-3 of each EX (considering both reg and FA) as well as 2-3 SRs, and usually 2 FA supporters. Newer sets have been toting an average of 6-7 ace specs per case. The distribution per case is very even.
While i do agree that box-by-box is relatively unpredictable, the average per box is pretty good. The odd box may have more or less than average and thats what youll often hear about... That amazing box or that garbage box.
Im very much looking forward to cracking a case of Plasma Blast.
I agree. Unfortunately most people don't have that much to spend on Pokemon cards.
Maybe if a bunch of friends buy a box each, then it would be worth it to pool their money. But then 1 or 2 out of the 6 will get crappy boxes. =\
Mystery Thing
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Went through 3 boxes today at our first prerelease.
Box 1) 0 FA, 1 EX, 2 AC, 2 Shining (lolwut)
Box 2) 0 FA, 1 EX, 1 AC, 0 Shining
Box 3) 3 FA, 3 EX, 1 AC, 0 Shining
And in that third box, 6 of those (3 FA, 2 EX, 1 AC) came within a 20 pack range (if you put the left half in front of the right half).
Sounds to me like the pull rates haven't changed, but rather that something got seriously messed up in the collating of packs into the boxes. 3 FA, 5 EX, and 2 Shining in 3 boxes isn't that far off of the norm for the last while (lucky on the shinings and slightly unlucky on the EXes, but not out of the range of normal possibility). But with each individual box being so madly fluctuating, it sounds like an error in packaging, not in ratios.
Box 1) 0 FA, 1 EX, 2 AC, 2 Shining (lolwut)
Box 2) 0 FA, 1 EX, 1 AC, 0 Shining
Box 3) 3 FA, 3 EX, 1 AC, 0 Shining
And in that third box, 6 of those (3 FA, 2 EX, 1 AC) came within a 20 pack range (if you put the left half in front of the right half).
Sounds to me like the pull rates haven't changed, but rather that something got seriously messed up in the collating of packs into the boxes. 3 FA, 5 EX, and 2 Shining in 3 boxes isn't that far off of the norm for the last while (lucky on the shinings and slightly unlucky on the EXes, but not out of the range of normal possibility). But with each individual box being so madly fluctuating, it sounds like an error in packaging, not in ratios.
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