The_Charizard_Authority
Member
Why would a hand stamp exist? It does not seem very practical.
Question about base sets
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Why would a hand stamp exist? It does not seem very practical.
I just want to clarify, WOTC did indeed stamp their own cards. I misread the initial message that explained the process of how they were produced. The line that threw me off was, "WotC never printed 1st edition cards". However they indeed did place them on the cards after they were printed. The questions was asked under the context of a card that had a misplaced stamp which meant that the stamps were not printed onto the cards. The cards were printed unlimited and the stamps were applied afterwards.
Darkrai*
Member
The person Rusty asked said it was applied with the black plate in the first run and there were two black plates,
one for the 1st edition and one for the unlimited (shadowless) run.
Here´s a visualisation of the two black printing plates at the example of Venusaur:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee481/darkrai_star/BlackPrintingPlatesVenusaur.jpg
But that´s contradictory to the answer that the stamps are applied separately. So my idea is,
as the 1st edition printing plate was destroyed after the first run and they didn´t want to
reproduce it, they decided to add another printing step to the printing process where the stamp
is applied to the cards afterwards, so they can reuse the same plate with just the stamps for
every upcoming set.
What do you think?
one for the 1st edition and one for the unlimited (shadowless) run.
Here´s a visualisation of the two black printing plates at the example of Venusaur:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee481/darkrai_star/BlackPrintingPlatesVenusaur.jpg
But that´s contradictory to the answer that the stamps are applied separately. So my idea is,
as the 1st edition printing plate was destroyed after the first run and they didn´t want to
reproduce it, they decided to add another printing step to the printing process where the stamp
is applied to the cards afterwards, so they can reuse the same plate with just the stamps for
every upcoming set.
What do you think?
crazypokemon
Active Member
How did you get the 1st ed stamp smpratte?
Where did you find them?
Where did you find them?
The things that make you go hummmm...
Hope you aren't trying to imply something negative there.
Depends on who's receiving the negative?
Crazy? maybe a little...
You? Not so much as I haven't seen you list a 1st edition w/ a crappy stamp yet.
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That printing plate has ink on the holo portion of the card so that can't be the actual printing plate. Unless I'm missing something
Thanks for the "yet", you are too kind.
Since you speculated while also undermining my credibility and integrity, I went ahead and scanned the stamp along with an actual 1st edition card. The stamp is double the size of a standard card stamp. Not only is it over sized, but it is a hand stamp, which will never replicate the look from a permanent ink stamp from a machine.
Here you go:
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww282/smpratte/Sale/shutup014.jpg?t=1354230251
http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww282/smpratte/Sale/inspectorgadget015.jpg?t=1354230910
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I think you took that the wrong way and looking too much into my comment. I was saying it wasn't a negative comment towards you and added why i didn't intend it for you. The yet was just an addition to the sentence not a undermining of your credibility.
If it's a negative to anyone it's to Crazy who is shamelessly trying to get info from you on how to get one of the stamps.
raichuforyou
New Member
Ok so if the stamp goes on after printing, do they apply the gloss after the stamp? I'm not sure if I'm using the correct terms here but I hope you know what I'm trying to say. I bring this up because it had been talked about in a previous thread about fake 1st ed stamps.
lol yes, I wasn't trying to be a jerk, was really wondering if I was missing something or not. I'm assuming you just took away everything but the alpha through Photoshop for a visual representation or are they from somewhere else?
crazypokemon
Active Member
I asked about the stamp because i was curious where you got it
It's not like i was actually gonna get one
much less get one just to stamp cards.
if i wanted to do that i could always have a stamp made myself for that.
It's not like i was actually gonna get one
much less get one just to stamp cards.
if i wanted to do that i could always have a stamp made myself for that.
The_Charizard_Authority
Member
"As to you trying to figure out about the 1st edition stamp being revised, the answer is no. Take a picture of the ones you are concerned about and send them to me. It may jog my memory. But to the best of my knowledge, the 1st edition stamp wasn't changed between the 1st and 2nd run of 1st edition."
After I sent photos it was confirmed that they are different but the stamp itself was not changed on the plates. It was attributed to the amount of black ink layed down on the plates.
After I sent photos it was confirmed that they are different but the stamp itself was not changed on the plates. It was attributed to the amount of black ink layed down on the plates.
DJGigabyte
Forum Moderator
So the stamps can be used to identify which holos were the very first holos stamped?
Now, that is something I could definitely see as being a reason for collectors to collect both, if the ones with different stamps were the very first.
But, as Scott has said, everyones collection is up to them, collect whatever you want.
Now, that is something I could definitely see as being a reason for collectors to collect both, if the ones with different stamps were the very first.
But, as Scott has said, everyones collection is up to them, collect whatever you want.
Interesting question; how does a company like Wizards miscalculate how many holos they needed? The holo to rare ratio was very clear (1:2), but it seems they did not have to reprint any rares, uncommons, or commons since all of those have the original consistent "thick" stamp. If Wizards stamped more holos to fill demand, it seems peculiar that they only needed more of the holos...
DJGigabyte
Forum Moderator
Well the Base 2000 packs which contain 1999 shows that later on they started to overestimate what holos they needed.
Maybe less of a miscalculation and more just people beliveing that more had been printed than actually had? Misinformation errors are more likely to happen in large companies as information has to pass through a longer chain of command. Can end up in an accidental Chinese whispers senario.
We'll probably never know at this point.
Although, I know that as Wizards was losing the license, a lot of tournaments gave 1st edition Base holos as prizes (along with older boxes and other stock that needed clearing).
Maybe less of a miscalculation and more just people beliveing that more had been printed than actually had? Misinformation errors are more likely to happen in large companies as information has to pass through a longer chain of command. Can end up in an accidental Chinese whispers senario.
We'll probably never know at this point.
Although, I know that as Wizards was losing the license, a lot of tournaments gave 1st edition Base holos as prizes (along with older boxes and other stock that needed clearing).
The_Charizard_Authority
Member
I am unsure if each 1st edition run were completely of one variation. I would like to think that what we see as the thicker "1" would have been on the first run completely due to all the Non-holos having it but:
"That means that the pressman wasn't watching what he was doing and there was more black ink laying down on the sheet that there should be. However, that was not an issue enough to have those sheets pulled. The QC person would just have him readjust the ink and keep on running. There were a lot of issues that were let go as the cost in time and money were just too much."
Which could mean the both variations we see would have been at random. I have seen a tad bit higher demand for the thick "1" but that is only based on preference not the runs themselves.
If which was printed first could be determined and knowledge was out there, that is about the only way I could see that changing.
I have not gotten a solid answer for that yet except that WOTC was going through a big transition Staff-wise.