Rate my HG Suicune (recommendations wanted)

Discussion in 'Electronic Games' started by Trainer2000, Mar 1, 2011.

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  1. Trainer2000

    Trainer2000 Member

    Extremespeed
    Sheer Cold
    Air Slash
    Aqua Ring

    I am using this in game, how do you think this would do in competitive battles? I am trying this guy out and some people have said that Sheer Cold isn't a good move to use. I don't think it's that bad because people have been suggesting Blizzard, but Sheer Cold CAN knock out pokemon in one hit, even though its accuracy is sorely lacking. Has anyone used the event Suicune outside of the game, and if so, how well (if any) did it do once you got it into battle? I will consider what you guys will say.
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2011
  2. baby mario

    baby mario Front Page Article Editor<br><a href="http://pokeg

    I think that OHKO moves like Sheer Cold are banned in a lot of competitive battles.

    I like Calm Mind Suicune with Ice Beam and Surf. That is pretty good for using inside and outside of the game.
     
  3. Trainer2000

    Trainer2000 Member

    Ah, Sheer cold is banned. I didn't expect a banned move to be given away at an official event for Pokemon. I guess I will keep it for now, but I will like to get this guy into competition soon once I train it higher.
     
  4. X_empoleon_X

    X_empoleon_X New Member

    The move is banned by many online batling sites. Nintendo do not actually look at such battling sites.
    The moveset i use on my event Suicune is:

    -Aqua Ring
    -Calm Mind
    -Surf
    -Ice Beam

    Aqua Ring really helps Suicune out as it always longed for a somewhat realiable healing move (it only had Rest which could be combined with sleep talk) and combined with Leftovers you're healing 1/8th (someone confirm) of you're total HP back every turn which really helps Suicune set up +3 Calm Mind making it a special wall.

    Also what nature is you Suicune and do you kow about EV training?
     
  5. Benzo

    Benzo Front Page News Editor<br>Forum Moderator

    Sheer cold is not always banned - it is based on what the rules are for the tournament your going to participate in.

    There are many tournaments that have the OHKO claus, but it depends on who is running the tournament and what rules they set up, so getting rid of sheer cold is not realy needed to be done.

    In competative play- people rely on moves that are 95-100% accurate as it is more reliable vs a move with 30% accuracy anyways.

    If you like the "novolty" of your Suicune having the move sheer cold- keep the move. If not, baby mario has a great suggestion as to a good move set.
     
  6. Trainer2000

    Trainer2000 Member

    What move should I replace Sheer cold with if I decide to do so? Blizzard?
     
  7. baby mario

    baby mario Front Page Article Editor<br><a href="http://pokeg

    Substitute could be fun.

    Blizzard isn't the best idea as you should go with Ice Beam as your Ice move (not as Powerful, but still hits hard with much better accuracy).
     
  8. vaporeon

    vaporeon Moderator

    If it has the Electric type Hidden Power, you should give it that so you have room to deal with other water types and Pokemon like Vaporeon because you don't want to get walled.
     
  9. Aron Figaro

    Aron Figaro New Member

    Honestly, my suggestion for a Suicune if it doesn't have HP electric is to make it a Rest Talker:

    Calm Mind
    Surf
    Rest
    Sleep Talk

    Simple as that, and works on just about any 'cune. I realize it's a cookie-cutter setup, and not very original. I don't claim it to be, I claim it to be something that I know works pretty darn well. If you want originality...try using something with a broader movepool? :p
     
  10. Trainer2000

    Trainer2000 Member

    One attacking move? Ok, then.
     
  11. wobbufet

    wobbufet New Member

    Event Pokemon usually don't have good movesets. Relaxed isn't a great nature for Suicune to have, though. However, giving Suicune Reflect can take advantage of that nature. I'd say keep ExtremeSpeed, for priority purposes and to get rid of the negative effects of the nature. You can keep Aqua Ring if you want, but I personally prefer ResTalk/Chesto Berry and rest. Or you can keep Calm Mind in place of one of those, and I'd recommend Hydro Pump/Ice Beam for the last slot. EVs should be: 252SPA/252DEF/6HP. Oh yes, I'd also prefer Shadow Ball over ExtremeSpeed.

    So.......

    Suicune
    252SPA/252DEF/6HP
    Item: Chesto Berry/Life Orb

    ExtremeSpeed/Shadow Ball
    Rest/Hydro Pump/Ice Beam/Aqua Ring
    Sleep Talk/Hydro Pump/Ice Beam
    Calm Mind
     
  12. Trainer2000

    Trainer2000 Member

    How do even pokemont not have "good movesets?!," because this is good, though by no means am I saying this will do poor in battles. I mean, I posted this to another site, and no one there gave a halfway decent moveset to replace this with. This event suicune moveset is fine by me, and I plan on using this in competitive battling once I get someone to give me a battle. The thing is, you guys are giving me some good sets, but I think the variety of the moves in the event moveset will catch some trainers off guard. I think that's the case here...lol
     
  13. z-man

    z-man New Member

    ^That is not it entirely. People don't know what you are going for. You don't have EVs or Nature up here. Your Suicune is very general... which is fine when you don't care about competitive. Wobbufet looks very good... but unless you specify your goal to having the Suicune on your team (Rest Talker? Special Wall? IDK), we will not be able to give you a good response. The responses thus far have been good... but you need to go more into detail if you want a more detailed answer.
     
  14. wobbufet

    wobbufet New Member

    I'm not criticizing your training style. I have the same shiny suicune, and it looks like it came right out of the box. Usually the event movesets aren't great. I can't judge your style of training when I look at something right out of the box. Sorry if it sounded like I was criticizing you.
     
  15. Trainer2000

    Trainer2000 Member

    They have been good, but I am not changing the moveset. I see you guys are still hung up on your "standard" sets. My Suicune, when I plan to have it on my team, will be exactly like this on a competitive team. I went to another site and no one had a problem with the moveset. You're just itching to change it because it doesn't meet the standards like Crocune. I will use this in game and competitively. But, I will at least consider your replies.
     
  16. baby mario

    baby mario Front Page Article Editor<br><a href="http://pokeg

    It's just like in the TCG.

    The 'standard' stuff is the stuff that is proven to work :wink:

    That said you CAN get good results with surprising movesets in the VG

    But you need to have a purpose . . . an exact idea of how you want the Pokemon to work, how it combos with others in the team, what threats are you countering with the unusual moveset etc.

    Again, it's just like the TCG . . . non-standard decks which are a surprise counter to the meta are very effective. Stuff that is unusual for the sake of being unusual will always fail.
     
  17. Trainer2000

    Trainer2000 Member

    This Suicune combo's with no other pokemon. It's an attacker. I mean, I play the game for fun and have been doing so in competitive battles and in game battles ever since GSC.

    If you want to criticize me for not using what you think I should, then that's OK by me. But, as I said, this suicune is mine, and I plan on using this moveset whenever I put my skills to the test. I considered all your replies and I think you guys know that to play this game you can use whatever it is you want.
     
  18. baby mario

    baby mario Front Page Article Editor<br><a href="http://pokeg

    I'm not criticising you at all for using whatever you want. That would be dumb. I mean it's your Pokemon. Do what is most fun for you.

    I just thought you were asking for 'recommendations', that's all.
     
  19. Yoshi-

    Yoshi- New Member

    If you want to be competetive stick to what people tell you til you have a basic udnerstanding of comeptetive pokemon, then once you have that down try original stuff. if you dont want to be competetive dont ask for competetive advice. Sheer cold is useless.

    Gimicky sets are fun, I used a lot of scarf/switch stuff, I dont even know how many people instandly dced after I scarfed their blissey :D
     
  20. z-man

    z-man New Member

    This line REALLY bothers me. You came here and asked for help. We answered. You rejected our help claiming that you play for fun and do not want a "standard" set. As far as I am concerned, if I am not playing at a high level, I am not having fun. I would assume the same for you because, if all you cared about was fun (no competition in there), you would not post this thread at all. I'll give you the cold rundown on this Suicune. It is absolute garbage. Without any necessary knowledge (such as EVs and nature), none of us can judge it, but I'll give my analysis based on what you have told us. You want an attacker. This Suicune looks like a mixed attacker, but done completely wrong. Sheer Cold is unreliable and dumb. Aqua Ring has little point in being on an attacker. There are much better moves that Air Slash... like ones that have STAB. Finally, Extreme Speed is fine, but Suicune excels more at Special Attacking, so why waste EVs into trying to Phys attack?

    More than that, "standard" sets work because they are good. If somebody has a nonstandard set, it can still be good, but the "standards" are known to work well. If any of us were to lead you into a nonstandard set, we best have a really good justification for it. If a "standard" set were completely horrible, it would not be "standard" for much longer. There is a place for rogue, but as Baby Mario said
    More over, we were not being pushy. You asked for help, and then quickly rejected it. The fact that you posted it on another site means nothing. I have posted a team full of moves that the respective pokemon cannot get on (the site that sounds like Celebi) before, and gotten the thumbs up from most posters. The fact that we are explaining things here and not just giving you the thumbs up means that we are clearly somewhat credible. Some sites attract bad players. While this is mainly a TCG site, we have given very decent advice here thus far.

    Adding to that, Event Pokemon are usually bad. The guys in charge of the giveaways have very little input in the standard metagame. They usually dish out garbage sets just because they are iconic moves for the character. I have yet to see any Event that I wouldn't change most of the moveset. Under no circumstances are the "event movesets" ever very usable.


    ONCE AGAIN, this is YOUR game and YOUR Pokemon, so YOU get to do what you want to with it, but you asked for advice, so we gave advice. We gave what we felt would help you be most competitive with the game. I'd highly recommend you test your sets against good players. If it works for you, good for you. I think most of us can agree that we gave advice for a high tier of player (the type that you would expect to see playing with very powerful sets as opposed to thrown together Pokemon). If this works for your tier of gaming, good for you. I can (in theorymon) barely see how this could get past the thrown-together tier of players. To prove this, I may as well go play the set on a simulator later today. I'll post some logs if this thread continues

    /Rant

    Sorry if anything came on harsh... Just need to let out some steam.
     
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2011

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