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Sablock theory

chrataxe, for once...I actually agree with you.

Very nice post, put info in there that I was trying to say better than I could.

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EDIT also about 95% of the time you can get T2 Judge + Initiative, in addition to Mesprit if you run it. And if that doesn't slow setup, then I don't know what does.
 
@chrataxe: That's easily the best post I've seen here in ages.

Originally I thought Sablelock was horrible. Then I actually tried it, and realized it was a good deck. I'm actually currently undefeated with straight Sablelock - weird, right? Playing against good decks with good people too.

I think Blaziken seriously improves it. The main issue I had was that once my Chomps and BDK were gone, I was in trouble. That was when I had to use my Krow G. Then I put Blaziken in there and it helps so much lategame, dude.

Plus, Luring Flame is amazing for locking.
 
Honestly, I got no arguments with people saying it's a good deck. It obviously is.

What I don't agree with (even though it is a little funny) is all this 'you have to be elite to play/appreciate it' rubbish. (With the obvious implication about the person who said it).

Yeah, it's underplayed, but so are a lot of things.
 
Dont get me wrong, im not saying sablelock is perfect, but I am saying it has flaws like every deck, but it performs better than its prevalence. And, as far as consistency and performance goes, it is AT LEAST as good as luxchomp. And, I agree with mario, it is NOT a deck for the elite, but it is significantly harder to play than luxchomp or else it would easily be reguarded as bdif due to winning by prevalence if nothing else.

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My question is...if sablelock is better than LuxChomp dont you think some of these players would have noticed?

Luxchomp has a mob mentality associated with it.

There are lots of "bad" players playing Luxchomp because they feel they can do well with it, and because of its sheer disruptive properties, they do better than they would with other decks.

When it comes down to what deck/strategy is best, they don't count - but they play Luxchomp for that reason, so it's not an even distribution like you'd expect.
That'd be my guess at least.
 
Maybe it's just me, but I thought a lot of scrubs and newer players play Sablock because it's a "pro deck" rather than LuxChomp since LuxChomp's more expensive.
 
Like who? Con Le winning nats? Aaron curry(correct me if im wrong, but I think he wrecked at Ga and Fl states)? Jwittz winning regionals. By all acounts, those are all very gopd players.
My question is...if sablelock is better than LuxChomp dont you think some of these players would have noticed?



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Luxchomp has a mob mentality associated with it.

There are lots of "bad" players playing Luxchomp because they feel they can do well with it, and because of its sheer disruptive properties, they do better than they would with other decks.

When it comes down to what deck/strategy is best, they don't count - but they play Luxchomp for that reason, so it's not an even distribution like you'd expect.
That'd be my guess at least.

Well why not play sablelock due to its sheer disruptrive abilities? It did win states/regs/nats...;)

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Like who? Con Le winning nats? Aaron curry(correct me if im wrong, but I think he wrecked at Ga and Fl states)? Jwittz winning regionals. By all acounts, those are all very gopd players.



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Last season, this season sablelock wasnt even close to the showing luxchomp gave. And for good reason.
 
Well why not play sablelock due to its sheer disruptrive abilities? It did win states/regs/nats...;)

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Last season, this season sablelock wasnt even close to the showing luxchomp gave. And for good reason.

Did you not read Chrataxe's post? Sablock had the same win ratio as Luxchomp.
 
That makes total sense. So i guess if i played Bibarel/Mismagius at ONE city and won with it, its the BDIF because it was a 100% win percentage
 
Well why not play sablelock due to its sheer disruptrive abilities? It did win states/regs/nats...;)

Because they probably did the same thing I did, which was mis-play it due to inexperience and not really understanding it, then put it away.

You don't need to be a pro player to do well with it, but I guess pro players are more likely to even bother trying?

All I know is that I have had the crap kicked out of me repeatedly by Sablelock despite doing quite well against most other metagame decks with Luxchomp and Dialgachomp. Even when I am the one playing both decks. It's not BAD.
 
That makes total sense. So i guess if i played Bibarel/Mismagius at ONE city and won with it, its the BDIF because it was a 100% win percentage

No...

Beedrill G has a 25% win percentage...does not a good deck make dude.

All I'm saying is that Sablock COULD do better IF it was played in larger numbers.
 
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Last season, this season sablelock wasnt even close to the showing luxchomp gave. And for good reason.[/QUOTE]

Im not calling you stupid, so dont run and tell on me, but that STATEMENT is stupid. YOU asked asked why players didnt notice, I pointed out that they did, then you completely change the subject on me. Ironically, I already addressed the issue you changed to. Read my original post. Luxchomp only has more wins because there are 18 luxchomp to every 1 sablelock in the meta. I also said that if the roles where flipped, I strongly believe sablelock would do better due to a high gengar meta and due to better donking potential and because it can even beat its bad matchups by locking them.

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That makes total sense. So i guess if i played Bibarel/Mismagius at ONE city and won with it, its the BDIF because it was a 100% win percentage

If batman wins nats this year, does that make him the best player in the US?

I might very well concede this point if you win with that deck. Since that is so stupidly impossible, your point is moot.



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....Have you guys ever heard of SARCASM? Does it not exist on planet pokegym?

Sami:My point is that sablelock made like 100 less top cuts, aka not even comparable with luxchomp.

Chra:My point is sablelock is good, no where near comparable to the good matchups luxchomp has vs everything INCLUDING sablelock. Obviously the bibarel mismagius thing was an example.
 
But, that is where you are wrong. Sablelock can LOCK anything and WIN its autolosses, Luxchomp can't do that very well. The only reason Luxchomp has any prevalence in this format right now is because of Gyarados. Luxchomp can hit for weakness and Gyarados completely kills any chance of Donphan running rampant....Sablelock doesn't have that fear. I understand you are using sarcasm, but you used it wrong. IF Mismagius/Bibarel won, it would be a viable deck. If you care, Arceus had the "best" performance at Cities, winning 3 of 6 top 4 appearances. Now, I don't think that makes it BDIF, but it DOES show that the deck has tons of potential that, obviously, no one is looking into. The difference between the Sablelock numbers and the Arceus numbers is that Sablelock has ALREADY proved that it is a top contender deck. The numbers only reaffirm what we ALREADY know.

The difference between my argument and yours is that yours is an opinion while mine uses facts supported by metagame analysis. You are entitled to your opinion, so I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about which YOU THINK is better, I already know the answer. But, I will gladly shoot the breeze with you about why you think Luxchomp has better matchups if you have anyway to support your argument. If not, I'm just talking to myself. To be honest, I play steelix...I LOVE a meta full of Luxchomp. I would love nothing more than to walk into states and see over half of the field running Luxchomp...I have nothing to gain by sitting here trying to convince people to make the switch, but stats don't lie and neither does the meta. Vilegar is played as a counter to SP. Sablelock has a much better match up to Vilegar than Luxchomp does. If, at states, every Luxchomp player dropped lux and picked up Sablelock and every sablelock player dropped sablelock and picked up lux and the meta didn't have the ability to shift, Sablelock would, without a doubt, EASILY be BDIF by pure numbers. Being as that is the case, Sablelock is a better play in the current meta. Now, if that DID happen in the first week of states, the meta would shift: less vilegar and more decks to counter Sablelock would appear in the second week of states, THEN Luxchomp would be a better play. But, we can only play in the meta we are given, and in THIS meta (cumulative US meta), Sablelock is a better play.
 
Sable is much better against vile/lostgar then luxchomp. play sable if that makes up most of the meta.

sable has a worse matchup vs gdos and luxchomp then luxchomp does.

sable isn't better at 'stealing' games. luxchomp can do 4x dragon rush, 2x bright look ftw. sable can't.

sable is at an inherited disadvantage vs luxchomp. sable runs ton's of inconsistent lock stuff, and no extra/inferior garchomp partner.

an extra problem for sable is roserade, which luxchomp is teching more and more.
 
How is sablelock worse against gyarados? Impersonating a judge hurts gyarados pretty bad.

4 dragon rushes and 2 bright looks isnt stealing a game, its playing it out. But, that also assumes you can actually get 6 prizes in 6 turns. 110 hp means no prize. Sable lock can dragon four times, hit with blaze, then sweep with krow. It can also snipe earlier and quicker with krow g.

So what more consistent stuff does luxchomp have? Cyrus? Aaron? Sp radar? We are talking about pont I guess? Well, I wouldnt call judge a consistency card, but it does draw AND disrupt, an effect that I think makes it equally effective.

While roserade is there from time to time and it not "uncommon," its a long way from being common. Until it hits half of the luchomp lists, dont look forwad it being a meta game changer.
Sable is much better against vile/lostgar then luxchomp. play sable if that makes up most of the meta.

sable has a worse matchup vs gdos and luxchomp then luxchomp does.

sable isn't better at 'stealing' games. luxchomp can do 4x dragon rush, 2x bright look ftw. sable can't.

sable is at an inherited disadvantage vs luxchomp. sable runs ton's of inconsistent lock stuff, and no extra/inferior garchomp partner.

an extra problem for sable is roserade, which luxchomp is teching more and more.



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