Skittles(Mini Article Posted!)

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  1. Hatter™

    Hatter™ Active Member

    Ok, so I have watched the other threads for this deck and I have seen it ridiculed and called a "donkfest" and it can never win or beat the major decks. I am here to tell you that those statements are FALSE. This deck can win a game, not just based on "luck", but on the skill too. You have to place your energy correctly, know how many of each energy you have left in your deck, and know which cards you need to Night Maintenance back in. You have to be able to know exactly what energy are prized by the first or second time you search through your deck, as it can affect what is put back into your deck later in the game. Also, the fact is that this deck can outspeed over 65% of the current format right now and can stack up to the GG's and Magmortar's of the Pokemon world. So without further ado I give you Skittles..

    The "Basic" Skittles List
    Pokemon: 20
    4 Pachirisu GE
    3 Togepi GE
    2 Togetic GE
    3 Togekiss GE
    2 Baltoy GE
    2 Claydol GE
    3 Ho-oh SW
    1 Duskull DP
    1 Dusknoir DP

    Trainers: 21
    3 Rare Candy
    2 Master Ball
    3 Bebe's Search
    1 Scott
    3 Crystal Beach
    2 Team Galactic's Wager
    2 Night Maintenance
    2 Roseanne's Research
    3 PlusPower

    Energy: 19
    (You can do any combination that you wish)
    3 Fire
    2 Water
    3 Psychic
    2 Lightning
    3 Fighting
    2 Basic Dark
    2 Basic Metal
    2 Grass

    The "Advanced" Skittles list-Urban Skittles
    Pokemon-19

    3x Togepi
    1x Togetic
    3x Togekiss
    3x Ho-Oh
    3x Sentret
    2x Furret
    1x Baltoy
    1x Claydol
    2 tech slots... 1-1 Crawdaunt EX/1-1 Lanturn PK/1-0-1 Dusknoir/etc.

    Trainers-21

    3x Celio's Network
    3x Rare Candy
    2x Roseanne's Research
    2x Crystal Beach
    2x Windstorm OR 1x Windstorm 1x Cessation Crystal (There were times I really would've liked the tech cess)
    2x Castaway
    2x Strength Charm
    2x Warp Point
    1x Copycat
    1x Prof. Rowan
    1x Night Maintenance

    Energy-20

    3x Fighting
    3x Psychic
    3x (tech energy type- water in my case)
    2x other 5 basic energy types
    1x Boost/Scramble (depends on tech)

    Strategy: There are several ways this deck can play out. Your first and
    foremost strategy is to find an opening hand combo that yields a Togekiss
    and Ho-Oh with 4 or more energy by turn 2 or 3, or possibly even turn 1
    going second. There are no decks in the format that can easily handle
    this amount of damage this early in the game, so if you manage to get this
    start you usually win the game. Past turn 4 or 5, if you don’t have or no
    longer have a Ho-Oh with several energy, you will usually try to get
    another Ho-Oh or Togekiss attacking relatively soon, making sure you are
    recycling energy and KO’d Togekiss lines with Night Maintenance to give
    you inevitability. An important thing to know about this deck is that it
    takes a great amount of skill to win if you aren’t lucky enough to get a
    donk start or if your opponent can survive the donk, but it is no way
    impossible to win if the game gets past the opening plays.

    Card choices/explanations

    Pokemon. Most of the Pokemon line-up is solid from list to list, with
    only techs being different.

    Ho-Oh (SW) This is the primary attacker during early game. For 4
    energy, Rainbow Wing does 20 damage times the number of basic energy types
    attached to Ho-Oh. The big reason this deck ticks is that Ho-Oh is basic,
    making it the best choice for an energy sponge from Togekiss’ power
    because it can be fetched from Roseanne’s Research or Pachirisu’s Call for
    Friends attack. Ho-Oh also has a Poke-Power called Phoenix Turn, which
    lets you flip a coin if Ho-Oh gets KO’d. If you flip heads, Ho-Oh is not
    KO’d and you get to remove all damage counters and keep all energy
    attached to Ho-Oh. This power is an amazing help in a pinch, but is by no
    means something you should rely on. You only need 3 Ho-Oh because while
    it is the main attacker, you usually should only go through 2 of them in a
    long game, and while Ho-Oh starts aren’t bad, there are better starts to
    be had.

    Togekiss (all GE) This is what makes the deck tick. Togekiss has a
    Poke-Power called Serene Grace, which says when you evolve one of your
    Pokemon to Togekiss from your hand, you may look at the top 10 cards of
    your deck, take any basic energy you find there, and attach them to your
    Pokemon in any way you like. The main hope here is that you can Rare
    Candy into a Togekiss within the first 3 turns of the game and attach 4+
    energy to Ho-Oh to coast on Rainbow Wing for the game. If that doesn’t
    happen, however, have hope! The game is not over yet! If you only get 2
    energy—or multiple energy of the same type—from Serene Grace, the mostcommon play is to attach them to your Togekiss then attach an energy for
    turn to use Togekiss’ attack Air Scroll. For 3 colorless energy, you are
    guaranteed 40 damage, then you flip a coin. If heads you add 30 damage,
    if tails you remove 3 damage counters from Togekiss. This attack does win
    games with either heads or tails flips.

    Pachirisu (GE) This is the preferred starter in the regular Skittles
    (Pachi/Claydol) version. First turn CFF nets you a great bench of Baltoy,
    Togepi and Ho-Oh, which gets your main attacker and half of your energy
    acceleration and draw/search set up on turn 1. A less important function
    of Pachirisu is to use Smash Short to get rid of Cessation Crystal, which
    is a nightmare against the deck because it shuts down all the powers that
    make the deck good (Serene Grace, Phoenix Turn, and Cosmic Power), but
    thankfully Cessation Crystal is not played in large quantities.

    Claydol (both GE) This is your main source of draw in the
    Pachi/Claydol version of the deck. Having a lot of draw helps you “find
    the rainbow,” so to speak. There are so many situations where Claydol
    will help you find exactly what you need. In a pinch, it also becomes an
    attacker because there are coincidentally Fighting energy in the deck, but
    the situations in which it would attack are very rare. The advantage in
    this version of the deck is that you can potentially find cards the turn
    you need them and get rid of dead cards in your hand, but the disadvantage
    is that it’s a power that can be shut down and starve you of cards.

    Furret (SW) This makes a completely different strategy to the deck that
    has several pros and cons, and this version ended up winning SoCal
    Regionals. Sentret start gives you a Pokedex to dig 2 cards deep, which
    is quite good. Furret on turn 2 however practically guarantees that you
    will be able to find the 2-card Togepi, Rare Candy, Togekiss, and/or Ho-oh
    combination you need to “taste the rainbow.” Furret is also a better
    attacker in emergencies because it allows you to conserve your energy
    instead of having to retreat to bench it. The disadvantage in this build
    is that you find cards with an attack instead of a power, which leaves you
    vulnerable to a well-timed Wager, but they can only have so many of those.
    The advantage however is that it’s a free attack that will find you cards
    under a Psychic Lock, allowing the deck to set up where the Claydol
    version wouldn’t be able to.

    Trainers. There are several ways to run the trainers of this deck, but
    there are staples that every deck unarguably must have.

    Staples:
    Rare Candy This is the backbone of the deck. It’s pretty obvious why
    it’s here.

    Night Maintenance Another staple in this deck. Recycling energy for
    more Serene Graces is key in long games, as well as getting Togekiss
    pieces back in so you can search them out again. 2 of them is best
    because it’s a dead draw early game.

    Crystal Beach This is your saving grace against Battle Frontier. If a
    Battle Frontier makes its way onto the table early game, you have to
    scramble to find this (or Windstorm in some lists) to get rid of it ASAP.
    Slowing down GG and Mag decks helps somewhat, but a game without it is
    still winnable.

    Roseanne’s Research Another obvious choice. While Pachirisu gets your
    bench set up, if you don’t start with it, Roseanne’s helps you get set up
    anyways, and also gets basics without using an attack. This also gets
    energy in a pinch if you need to add damage to Rainbow Wing, set up Air
    Scroll, or retreat. Usually you won’t want to run more than 3…2 seems to
    be the best number.

    Celio’s Network/Bebe’s Search These are the best supporters in the
    format, and work great in this deck obviously. Claydol versions should
    run more Bebe’s because it reduces your hand size to draw more with Cosmic
    Power. The number of these is not concrete; 4 is an acceptable number, 3
    works, and 5 is great as well.

    After these are in you can add draw and disruption to tailor the deck to
    your liking. Here are some good choices:

    TV Reporter/Professor Oak’s Visit These are great for when you don’t have
    your draw/search engine set up yet. They allow you to throw away excess
    cards you don’t need (Crystal Beach, Pachirisu, and energy mainly) and dig
    3 cards deep.

    Professor Rowan This is a great option for draw as well. If you have a
    Togekiss or Candy in hand, you can keep it and try to find the other piece
    by digging 4 cards deep. Like other shuffle draw choices, this lets you
    get excess energy from your hand back into your deck where Togekiss can
    get them.

    Copycat: Another great shuffle draw choice. If you do run this, usually
    only 1 is best.

    Pluspower If you aren’t running any tech Pokemon, this is a great option
    because most people don’t expect it. It allows you to hit the higher odd
    HP benchmarks with Ho-Oh without “wasting” energy. Normally you need 7energy to OHKO anything with 130 HP, but with Pluspower you only need 6.

    Windstorm If you’re paranoid about Battle Frontier, these act as Crystal
    Beach number 4 and/or 5. It also gets rid of Cessation Crystal if
    necessary, but that normally won’t be a problem.

    Cessation Crystal This is a good singleton choice after you’re set up, and
    is much more feasible in the Furret version because it’s less reliable on
    Poke-Powers. An important thing to remember is that you should not attach
    this to Ho-Oh because unlike Psychic Lock it will shut off Phoenix Turn,
    which you always want to be able to use.

    Important play notes:
    -Do anything you can to win before going to the late game. It will get a
    lot harder to win if it gets past the first few turns.
    -If you sense that the game will take a while, be really conscious of your
    energy attachments both from Serene Grace and from your hand. You should
    always play the game as if Phoenix Turn will flip tails, so only go for
    Ho-OHKOs if you know they can’t respond with a KO back.
    -Don’t forget that Togekiss can attack! He wins games! Air Scroll has
    the possibility to 2 hitting anything in the format or completely throw off
    damage math with healing.
    -Night Maintenance, as said above, should really only be used to recycle
    either energy or pieces of your Togekiss line. Ho-Ohs are usually just
    early game attackers. The only reason you would ever need to get one back
    is if the 2 others are prized and you are playing against a deck with
    colorless resistance.


    GG Varients-55-45

    Since Psylock won't OHKO Ho-oh, you should have enough time to get the KOs through on their Gardevoirs. Whenever they can't respond with a psychic lock, it gives you the opportunity to kiss and set up another Ho-Oh while your current one is beating down on the opponent. Crystal Beach really helps in this matchup. Gallade needs to flip 3 prizes to kill 1 bird, so that isn't efficient for them either. The biggest thing you have to watch out for is Bring Down, but if you're overly worried you can tech an Unown G or Holon WP in. Just remember, if they're not locking you, hit em where it hurts! Dusknoir shouldn't really be a huge problem, especially if you play Crawdaunt or Dusknoir yourself to give them a taste of your own medicine. Feraligatr and Swampert are a little more scary, but Crystal Beach helps there as well.

    Magmortar Varients-50-50

    Burns from Torchic and Mag Lv.X are the scariest part of this matchup. A fast setup combo'd with good Crystal Beach usage is key here. Typhlo variants are definitely the easier matchup, but it's still not a walk in the park. Crawdaunt EX is a great surprise card here, splashing back a candied Blaze/Typhlo and Boosting/Kissing to KO and active Mag. Even if they burn you, flipping even 1 heads with Phoenix turn is a detriment to their setup. Utilizing Castaway to get a necessary energy and a str charm for the KO is important here, too. It's a hard fought matchup, but definitely winnable.

    Banette Varients- 50-50

    The worst about this matchup is 2 words... Damage Counters... Why?? Because you don't get to flip for Ho-oh if you are knocked out by damage counters... Also, watch out for the Cessations... but don't forget that Pachirisu can help out with that problem. If you get a decent start you can destroy them before they can set up all that they need for the win.

    Arithmetic- 52-48
    This matchup is 50-50... You can OHKO any card that they bring at you. However, the deck relies on moving damage counters and a smart player will know how to get rid of your Ho-Oh's before they know what hit him. If you can get a Ho-Oh by turn 2-3 you should be good though,since it does take Arithmetic a few turns to gets its set up out there and running. Dusknoir will prove immensily helpful in this matchup so you can keep their bench at 3 or less pokemon.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2008
  2. The Machampion

    The Machampion New Member

    Awesonme Man, If This Deck Can Win, Maybe People I Know Can Have More Luck. Such A Nice Deck

    Great Creation

    Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:

    However - I Strongly Belive Some Mr Stones Project Or A 1-1 Lunasol Line will get Them Back so I Recomend Put The Energy To Each Back To 2 and adding some other struff
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2008
  3. mrdraz07

    mrdraz07 New Member

    Best list on the 'gym...I can't think of any fixes. The only thing I don't like is TGW but that's just because I suck at RPS :lol: Congrats with making top cut in Cali!
     
  4. Hatter™

    Hatter™ Active Member

    mmm i dont want to waste bench space on Lunarock

    Mr: lol thanks :D and Thanks :D i doubt this will get lots of posts *tear* cuz of Jimmys deck lol and the fact its a so called "joke" deck
     
  5. Azure Kite

    Azure Kite New Member

    Did you ever consider running a 2-2 Blissy line? I played one at VA States and it rocked.....:biggrin: It made it to the finals with either 5-1 or 6-0 I can't remember. But its an amazing deck that I'm trying to build now. Great job!:thumb:
     
  6. OLD_SCHOOL_PLAYER

    OLD_SCHOOL_PLAYER New Member

    Azure... space is already tight in here, adding that would just make it tighter.
     
  7. B_B_C

    B_B_C New Member

    Why do I have a feeling you know one of my friends. He probly told you the name I came up for this deck? I could be wrong tho.

    Pokemon: 19
    4 Pachirisu GE
    3 Togepi GE
    2 Togetic GE
    3 Togekiss GE
    2 Baltoy GE
    2 Claydol GE
    3 Ho-oh SW

    Trainers: 22
    3 Rare Candy
    2 Master Ball
    4 Celio's Network
    1 Scott
    3 Crystal Beach
    2 Team Galactic's Wager
    2 Night Maintenance
    2 Roseanne's Research
    3 PlusPower

    Energy: 19
    3 Fire
    3 Water
    3 Psychic
    2 Lightning
    2 Grass
    2 Fighting
    2 Basic Dark
    2 Basic Metal


    I edited.
     
  8. KaMewie

    KaMewie New Member

    I personally think that 2 Bebe's and 1 Celios is better. Also, why pluspowers? It's not searchable. :/
     
  9. Hatter™

    Hatter™ Active Member

    Bebe's: To put an energy back into your deck!!!!!!!
    and pluspowers.... Gallade.. Gardevoir...Feraligatr.... Magmortar... << all have HP that pluspower would help with because it saves you from using another energy to ko it!
     
  10. KaMewie

    KaMewie New Member

    I know that Bebe's is to put energy back into the deck. That's why I said two, >.>. Also, the Pluspowers are basically personal preferences. IMO, I prefer Strength Charm because it's searchable. Some may disagree, what not. So, there ya have it ;p.
     
  11. Azure Kite

    Azure Kite New Member

    *sigh* Sorry should have been more specific. Take something OUT and put in the line. Anywayz, maybe try to make these changes to your trainer line.

    3 Rare Candy
    2 Master Ball
    3 Bebe's Search
    1 Celio's Network
    1 Scott
    2 Crystal Beach
    2 Team Galactic's Wager
    2 Night Maintenence
    4 Roseanne's Research
    2 Strength Charm

    You seriously cannot make it without have 4 Roseanne's, as thats virtually your only garunteed way of getting the energy you want. IMO, to think otherwise doesn't make much sence. I agree, Strength Charm makes more sence as its searchable. I really fail to see the need for either Plus Power or Strength Charm, but hey I'm not an expert deck builder.
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2008
  12. OLD_SCHOOL_PLAYER

    OLD_SCHOOL_PLAYER New Member

    4 Roseanes is an overkill.... you want energy in your deck.... and you have pachy for basics.
     
  13. unused47rocker

    unused47rocker New Member

    Wow... can't believe to ever think of this idea.... Congrats MadHatter... just one quick question how much do you think it would cost to make this deck........
     
  14. Hatter™

    Hatter™ Active Member

    Azure: NO NO NO on 4 Roseannes.... way too many!!! and ya ya on charm, but you can play more than 1 PP at a time...
    unused: mm pach will be most expensive..
    $4 for each pach
    $2 for each hooh
    $2-3 for each togekiss
    probably: $35?(most likely less than this because you could trade for the cards)
    and i didnt make it... Team M did
     
  15. Azure Kite

    Azure Kite New Member

    Okay fine, but Roseanne's is like the only way to get exactly what you need. Why just hope to get the energy you need? As far as Str Charm, you shouldn't need to add THAT much extra to your attacks. And as far as money, are you basing these prices on purchasing on the Pokegym?
     
  16. freakysmiley

    freakysmiley New Member

    i actually made a list of this after hearing the idea but mine is totally different though it still works and yeah i used GE togetic but only cuz i dont have delta Its a fun deck many times you can get a turn 2 win (if only pachirisu wasn't around)
    I've had people say they hate me after flipping heads for phoenix turn, just so much fun.



    Anyways Good list and congrats on top 8 in a metagame dominated by magmortar and GG
     
  17. MrMeches

    MrMeches New Member

    I still like this list:

    Ho-oh

    I have made some mods to it, but it is consistent and the FF helps quite a bit!
     
  18. Hatter™

    Hatter™ Active Member

    ^how can that stack up??? it can do 100 max... Gallade.. Gardevoir.. Magmortar... Feraligatr... all iver 100 HP... I thought about the FF idea.. but I wanted to do more damage to OHKO more stuff

    Freaky: ya and ty
     
  19. I really hope you dont mean invented this deck, cause no one really invented it. Its the most obvious combo ever.
     
  20. mrdraz07

    mrdraz07 New Member

    Yeah I saw that and laughed. This combo's been around since we got scans/translations for Togekiss.
     
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