Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by Chompy, Sep 20, 2012.

  1. Chompy

    Chompy New Member

    What are your thoughts on the Supporter card, called Skyla? Will it be one of those cards where it has to have 4 in a deck, or will be one of those cards that get overhyped and then when the card doesn't work, no one plays it?

    Skyla – Trainer


    Search your deck for a Trainer card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Shuffle your deck afterward.

    You may play only 1 Supporter card during your turn (before your attack).
  2. iNewtonior

    iNewtonior New Member

    Based on how Japan has been playing, I think this will see a 2-4 of in every competitive deck, especially when Plasma Gale Magnezone comes out (but that won't be until February)
  3. Garch

    Garch <a href="

    It'll be our only search supporter worth using. It's going to be a very important card. Trade for as many as you can get.
  4. Ignatious

    Ignatious New Member

    I'm going to have to see it to believe it. Our game has such a high demand for playingmany cards as quickly as possible. Because of this, playing a supporter on nearly every turn has been quite essential to success. We rely on playing juniper/N/cheren/bianca to draw both playable cards and a supporter for the next turn as well. While skyla provides some great search possibilities it can't fuel our turn AND provide a supporter for your next turn, like our current supporters can. This leads me to believe skyla won't be great. However its competetors (bianca/cheren) are awful, so it may see a lot of play afterall.

    TOYBOX New Member

    4 of in every deck, no exceptions.
  6. Rambo

    Rambo New Member

    I don't see it used that often apart from with the Magnezone. The constant need for draw every turn overshadows it.
    Although I'm probably wrong and the hype will carry it to do well.
  7. vaporeon

    vaporeon Moderator

    Its good for those early setup decks. You can grab those Level Balls, your Ace Specs when you need it and maybe a catcher. It has its uses. I personally think the game needs less draw cards and more utility cards.
  8. Garch

    Garch <a href="

    The only reason we need constant draw every turn is our utter lack of search.
  9. number473

    number473 New Member

    This should be played in addition to the draw supporters. Remember, it basically gives you access to any card in your deck since you can use it to fetch a ball. It gets you the last card for your setup guaranteed, instead of hoping to get it on a Juniper or N. If you don't need it early game, just N it back into your deck and use it to fetch your catchers later.

    I'm definetly looking forward to this card.


    dude so pumped for the fa of this, on another note i think it's a 2 of in most decks but not a 4 of in anything until zone comes out
  11. Otaku

    Otaku Active Member

    No, you're over simplifying.

    First, we have search cards, and they are even Items, thus we can draw for them and use more than one per turn. We had some very powerful search based Supporters in recent years and... yeah, I think we can understand why they aren't here anymore. :lol:

    Supporter Search is always second to good draw power, because getting the one card you need is usually not enough, at least early game or when trying to recover from a KO. Now the question is how much "good" draw power do we have? Professor Juniper draws a full seven but discards your hand, making it painful for several decks (even some successful ones). N is so variable and can help your opponent. Now, once we get Colress I really anticipate Skyla taking off; get off one massive draw then anything you missed, Skyla snags directly.

    In closing, let me point out that two Skyla does sound about right.
  12. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    With ultra ball and energy search, skyla is pretty much a computer search, aside from not being able to get special energies. Heck, she can even pseudo-search for a supporter by grabbing a random receiver. I'm starting my post release testing with 3-4 skyla and one energy search in everything.

    ---------- Post added 09/25/2012 at 11:59 AM ----------

    Actually she is even a computer search, because she can search it out. Lol
  13. Shino Bug Master

    Shino Bug Master Front Page News Editor

    The problem with Skyla to Random Reciever is that Random Recievering for a Skyla when you are needing a new hand doesn't do anything. Skyla is a decent card, for sure, but i don't think its a staple by any means. Just like every supporter we have, great in some cases, useless in others.
  14. Otaku

    Otaku Active Member

    The translation I saw specified "Trainer" for Skyla, not "Item". That is why she can grab a Stadium as well. So you would just use Skyla to snag a specific Supporter anyway.

    The real problem with claiming Skyla is Computer Search is that... Computer Search is an Item. It will be an Ace Spec, but it was a "normal" Trainer originally. Huge difference having to go

    Skyla => [insert search card/] => [insert non-Trainer target/]


    Computer Search => Discard 2 Cards => [insert search target/]

    Skyla will have an edge some of the time (that discard cost can really hurt), but especially in a format where Supporters are your major source of draw power, and the fact that you're relying on an intermediary card (which means you're running it and need one copy still in your deck)... it can backfire.
  15. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    I agree that it definitely has its drawbacks, and the card by itself is not that amazing, but I still feel that it almost acts like computer search but with different drawbacks. Skyla gives you access to almost anything in your deck and can even access your discard with cards like revive and dark patch. I much prefer search to draw. Heck, with bicycle, skyla can even act like a smaller Bianca (admittedly not that good early game).

    ---------- Post added 09/25/2012 at 08:04 PM ----------

    Also yes skyla to random reliever is bad. But it's still a utility of the card.
  16. TheRolesWePlay

    TheRolesWePlay New Member

    Here's the thing about Skyla. There's virtually an Item for everything, and it doesn't get rid of your hand like N and Juniper. In early game I often find myself needing an Emolga and needing to get rid of an otherwise great hand with Juniper or N in the hopes of getting something to get it, but Skyla can get any of the Balls to get it, or any other Pokemon.

    The only thing that Skyla can't really do is get Special energy. Personally I think it's the perfect utility card that takes out a lot of the risk other supporters have in order to get other cards.
  17. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    Plus now you can reliably run just one of a specific item (tool scrapper is an excellent example) and still be able to access it when you need it, aside from prizing of course. The inability to reliably tech specific cards is one of the few things I dislike about this format (as everyone who's played against my dumb decks from years ago would guess), and skyla solves that for me. I guess that's why I'm so psyched for this card.
  18. Otaku

    Otaku Active Member

    I don't mean to nitpick, but how some are stating things seems... inaccurate. First, formats with "reliable TecH" usually are my least favorite, but Skyla doesn't give us that. For that you need Computer Search/Item Finder or perhaps Twins/Junk Arm... or a card I truly loathed (because it was too powerful) Pidgeot (EX: FireRed/LeafGreen 10/112).

    I believe Skyla can give us a happy medium. Unless they print a method of easily recycling Items from the discard (not costing an attack or being your Ace Spec), then Skyla will be "just right" since you can snag any Trainer (and thus most true TecH cards) from your deck, but at the significant cost of your Supporter. Yes, Pidgeot was a Stage 2 line, but at the time it was often a 2HKO and of course, a re-usable effect.

    So again, I apologize if it seems like I am psychotically obsessing with semantics, I want to express things as clearly as possible, especially for those that haven't experienced the full spectrum of search options the TCG has experienced over the years.
  19. SummerDaze

    SummerDaze New Member

    I think Skyla will be heavily abused in speed decks because it will allow you to search out the ether or pokedex needed to get the T1 acceleration. Those decks also rely on ultra ball, so it's possible to get hand size small enough that bicycle would net you a couple of cards -- not great, but still some draw.
  20. vaporeon

    vaporeon Moderator

    In the defense of Pidgeot, it mad many decks playable, no matter what the deck was. There were also many counters to turn it off. You had Battle Frontier to turn off the power and Giant Stump to force a opponent to discard it. Pidgeot was good but not too good. Everyone played it so they both had the option and Pidgeot made the format skill based and not luck based.

    If you want to talk about powerful, then Cyrus's Conspiracy where only one type of deck could use it. We need more cards that work for everything. It would be nice to have a Dark Patch for all energy types.

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