Speculative BW: Dark Explorers Set List

Discussion in 'TCG News & Gossip Discussion' started by vegitalian, Feb 25, 2012.

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  1. vegitalian

    vegitalian New Member

    Based on the set announcement, and all outstanding Dark Rush, Reshiram/Zekrom Starter Decks, and promo cards that relate to the set, I have compiled a speculative list for Dark Explorers. Please let me know if I've missed anything, and I will keep this updated as cards are revealed.

    1. Bulbasaur no. 1
    2. Ivysaur no. 2
    3. Venusaur no. 3

    4. Scyther no. 123
    5. Carnivine no. 455
    6. Leafeon no. 470
    7. Dwebble no. 557
    8. Crustle no. 558
    9. Karrablast no. 588
    10. Shelmet no. 616
    11. Accelgor no. 617
    12. Flareon no. 136
    13. Entei EX

    14. Torchic no. 255
    15. Torchic no. 255
    16. Combusken no. 256
    17. Blaziken no. 257
    18. Torkoal
    19. Heatmor no. 631
    20. Larvesta no. 636
    21. Larvesta no. 636
    22. Volcarona no. 637
    23. Slowpoke no. 79
    24. Slowbro no. 80
    25. Vaporeon no. 134
    26. Kyogre EX

    27. Piplup no. 393
    28. Prinplup no. 394
    29. Empoleon no. 395
    30. Glaceon no. 471

    31. Tympole no. 535
    32. Palpitoad no. 536
    33. Ducklett no. 580
    34. Swanna no. 581
    35. Vanillite no. 582
    36. Vanillish no. 583
    37. Jolteon no. 135
    38. Raikou EX

    39. Joltik no. 595
    40. Joltik no. 595
    41. Galvantula no. 596
    42. Tynamo no. 602
    43. Tynamo no. 602
    44. Eelektik no. 603
    45. Eelektross no. 604
    46. Espeon no. 196
    47. Slowking no. 199
    48. Woobat no. 527
    49. Yamask no. 562
    50. Cofagrigus no. 563
    51. Elgyem
    52. Beheeyem
    53. Aerodactyl no. 142
    54. Groudon EX
    55. Drilbur no. 529
    56. Excadrill no. 530
    57. Excadrill no. 530
    58. Timburr no. 532
    59. Gurdurr no. 533
    60. Umbreon no. 197
    61. Umbreon no. 197
    62. Sableye no. 302
    63. Darkrai EX
    64. Sandile no. 551
    65. Krokorok no. 552
    66. Krookodile no. 553
    67. Scraggy no. 559

    68. Scrafty no. 560
    69. Zorua no. 570

    70. Zorua no. 570
    71. Zoroark no. 571
    72. Bisharp no. 625
    73. Vullaby no. 629

    74. Escavalier no. 589
    75. Klink no. 599
    76. Klang no. 600
    77. KlingKlang no. 601
    78. Pawniard no. 624
    79. Bisharp no. 625
    80. Chansey no. 111
    81. Chansey no. 111
    82. Blissey no. 242
    83. Eevee no. 133
    84. Eevee no. 133
    85. Eevee no. 133
    86. Chatot no. 441
    87. Lillipup no. 506
    88. Herdier no. 507
    89. Stoutland no. 508
    90. Tornadus EX
    91. Cheren
    92. Dark Claw
    93. Dark Patch

    94. Hammer Crash
    95. Hooligans Jimu and Sabu
    96. N
    97. Old Amber
    98. Professor Juniper
    99. Random Receiver
    100. Rare Candy
    101. Twist Mountain
    102. Ultra Ball
    103. Entei EX (FA)
    104. Kyogre EX (FA)
    105. Raikou EX (FA)
    106. Groudon EX (FA)
    107. Darkrai EX (FA)
    108. Tornadus EX (FA)
    109. Gardevoir (Shiny)
    110. Archeops (Shiny)
    111. Pokemon Catcher (Shiny)
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2012
  2. King Piplup

    King Piplup New Member

    Do we know it's /99 again? I'll laugh since it said "over 100" and it would be 99 non-secret again. Looks good to me otherwise.
  3. Raen

    Raen New Member

    I really don't think we'll get the Cheren, N, or Juniper reprints. I don't really have any good basis for this, it's just my feeling on the subject.
  4. Frost

    Frost New Member

    I have doubts that they'll put both of the Zekrom/Reshiram EX Deck Eevee cards into this set, mostly because they have the same attacks and the only difference is the picture. We also got Dark Rush's Swoobat and Mandibuzz already - they are the ones in Emerging Powers. There's only one Sandile/Krokorok in Japan that we haven't gotten in English yet, too - the promo versions are of the same cards in Dark Rush. Even the artwork is the same. Umbreon and Volcarona are alternate artwork reprints and they generally don't put those in the same English set as the originals, either.

    There are also a dozen cards from the Tornadus/Thundurus set that I think they'll put into Dark Explorers - they are Torchic, Torkoal, Vanillite, Vanillish, Joltik, Timburr, Gurdurr, Scraggy, Scrafty, Pawniard, Bisharp and Chatot.

    If you drop the Juniper, Cheren, N, Switch, Umbreon and Volcarona reprints, along with the Eevee, Sandile, Krokorok, Swoobat and Mandibuzz, that leaves just enough space to incorporate those 12 cards and still fit the "over 100 cards" line from the sell sheet. I hope since Lillipup is in Dark Rush, they'll add the lost Lillipup from the Battle Strength Decks into Dark Explorers, too...
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2012
  5. AyameHikaru

    AyameHikaru New Member

    The Swoobat has already seen English release, unless it's one I'm not aware of.

    EDIT: Ninja'd by Forst!
  6. Frost

    Frost New Member

    My prediction:
    -GRASS (1-11): Bulbasaur/Ivysaur/Venusaur, Scyther, Carnivine, Leafeon, Dwebble/Crustle, Karrablast, Shelmet, Accelgor
    -FIRE (12-21): Flareon, Torkoal, Torchic x2/Combusken/Blaziken, Heatmor, Larvesta x2/Volcarona
    -WATER (22-35): Slowpoke/Slowbro, Vaporeon, Kyogre-EX, Piplup/Prinplup/Empoleon, Glaceon, Tympole/Palpitoad, Ducklett/Swanna, Vanillite/Vanillish
    -LIGHTNING (36-46): Jolteon, Raikou-EX, Plusle, Minun, Joltik x2/Galvantula, Tynamo x2/Eelektrik/Eelektross
    -PSYCHIC (47-51): Espeon, Slowking, Woobat, Yamask, Cofagrigus
    -FIGHTING (52-58): Aerodactyl, Groudon-EX, Timburr/Gurdurr, Drilbur/Excadrill x2
    -DARKNESS (59-68): Umbreon, Sableye, Darkrai-EX, Sandile/Krokorok/Krookodile, Zorua x2/Zoroark, Vullaby
    -METAL (69-74): Escavalier, Klink/Klang/Klinklang, Pawniard/Bisharp
    -COLORLESS (75-85): Chansey x2/Blissey, Eevee x2, Chatot, Lillipup x2/Herdier/Stoutland, Tornadus-EX
    -TSS (86-94): Crash Hammer, Dark Patch, Darkness Claw, Hooligans (AKA Jimu/Sabu), Old Amber, Random Receiver, Rare Candy, Twist Mountain, Ultra Ball
    -EX FA (95-100): Entei, Kyogre, Raikou, Groudon, Darkrai, Tornadus
    -Shiny (101-103): Gardevoir, Archeops, Pokemon Catcher
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2012
  7. Tash

    Tash New Member

    This still makes me mad every time I see it. Every other card based on something in the games is always called by it's localized name, except this one. (they're called "Hooligans Jim and Caz" in the American games)
  8. DanthePokeMan

    DanthePokeMan New Member

  9. King Piplup

    King Piplup New Member

    I could be wrong, but I thought ALL supporters went before Items and whatnot. This could be wrong though.
  10. espeon200

    espeon200 New Member

    Nope. Trainers are sorted alphabetically whether they are item, supporter, or stadium. Look at the setlist for Noble Victories for confirmation.
  11. King Piplup

    King Piplup New Member

    Yup, just saw that. Just was a coincidence in NEX that that Cilan was first and the Stadiums last.

    (My face has seen nothing but NEX in sorting the past few days)
  12. Frost

    Frost New Member

    Via Maverick Nate/Bulbapedia:

    Umbreon - 60
    Darkrai-EX - 63
    Zoroark - 71

    In my list above, I had Umbreon 59, Darkrai-EX 61 and Zoroark 67... looks like we could be getting either some new cards or some early Dragon Blade/Blast cards! Although not very many, since Dark Rush + the Zekrom/Reshiram decks + the Tornadus/Thundurus gift set + Groudon-EX/Kyogre-EX and their full arts is 107 cards, although that is including the three shinies that will probably be secret rares again.
  13. vegitalian

    vegitalian New Member

    I've made several changes:

    • Fixed the list to align with the 3 revealed cards
    • Added Joltik and Torchic from the Tornadus Collection (since their lines are already going to be in the set, presumably)
    • Removed Mandibuzz
    • Added March promos
  14. Maverick Nate

    Maverick Nate New Member

    The set is going to be out of 108, and the secret shiny cards will be above that: 109, 110, and 111.
  15. vegitalian

    vegitalian New Member

    Good call, sir! Edited.
  16. Maverick Nate

    Maverick Nate New Member

    What things did you add in?
  17. vegitalian

    vegitalian New Member

    Pawniard, Bisharp, and Chatot (all from Tornadus box)

    ---------- Post added 03/15/2012 at 04:25 PM ----------

    With the release of the pack art, I've included Scraggy & Scrafty from the Thundurus 1/2 decks, and taken out the duplicates of Sandile/Krokorok since they're the same as the ones in Dark Rush.
  18. otarolgam

    otarolgam New Member

    Whoever called 108 cards in the set is a genius!
  19. ExoByte

    ExoByte Master Trainer

    Thanks, I felt it was a solid number.
  20. Frost

    Frost New Member

    After reviewing the cards we know, I think vegitalian's current list will be pretty close to what we get, unless they slip in a couple of unrevealed BW-P promos or something. I keep trying to force Vanillite, Vanillish, Timburr and Gurdurr into the mix, but they would only fit if the BW-P Bulbasaur, Empoleon, Excadrill and Volcarona prints are removed.

    But speaking of Volcarona, I doubt it will be in the set twice. I know we had Pidove and Patrat that were reprints of BW1 cards in Emerging Powers, but have they ever included the same card twice in an English set, with the only difference being alternate artwork? So perhaps one of Bulbasaur/Empoleon/Excadrill will be BW promos and then there'd be enough room for Vanillite/ish or Timburr/Gurdurr.

    Two of the three Eevee cards have the same problem as Volcarona. A possible fix for Eevee would be to substitute in Battle Strength Lillipup, or BW-P reprint Bianca.
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