Dragonite Forever
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That sounds like he needs to remember pokemon is about having fun.:nonono
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Thank you for 30 minute limits and GG!
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Dragonite Forever
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The makers of pokemon made this game to let people battle with fictional characters that we all know and love. It wasn't made for us to turn against one deck such as Gardelade. Sure it is a great deck but not winning a tournament because of it is not the end of the world. we all love this game. that is why we are here on pokegym. to learn how to be good at it. This game is about having fun. ask someone like me who lost every tournament on the 1st round if they had fun. I know I do. When we are done this is to be about having fun and doing are best.
the_sniper
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Wow, you must have read my mind- I was thinking
pretty much the exact same thing.
Elm , there is NOTHING worse than slow-rolling someone for a win. Nothing.
I'm surprised you'd even post what you did. Not a win too be proud of IMHO.
John
Papi/Manny
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Yes, because playing the same games for an entire year is so much fun, right? :nonono: And time limits have been a problem since games took longer then 2 turns.
Professor Elm
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I agree I play to win, not at all costs, but yes I like winning.
It has never occurred to me that it was bad to take a lot of time on my turns.
It's not like I was stalling. I was using all my resources, and I won on time because of it.
Please do not accuse me of "winning at all costs".
When you are a competitive player, you understand that time limits can make or break a match. Thus this is part of the strategy of tournament play. I'm sorry that you are so offended by it, but I am personally insulted by your post.
No, I am not a professor. Nor would I teach someone to constantly use Poke-Powers etc. to waste time.
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I don't appreciate this post either.
Never did I "slow roll" him, he will agree to this. Yes, I did use all my poke-powers and supporters EVERY turn. I did it for good reason. Yes, I won on time, but that doesn't mean I won because I was slow playing. I have EVERY RIGHT to be proud of that win.
Flygon doesn't have a good matchup against Tyranitar, and I had to play those games out strategically. Please, you were not there, and you cannot attest to what was going on in the match.
I am fairly sure that Rocketman will back me up, and agree that the match was by all means fair and well played. I don't appreciate being bashed for my success in a tournament. If I had cheated, made illegal moves, or taken excessive times on my plays THEN I would consider y'alls argument valid.
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yoyofsho16
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...except, if you read the first post, you would see that this thread is the opposite of those threads.
Papi/Manny
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Nothing except taking a cheap approach at an opponet , who did what was full within his rights to do, to win the game, right.
I asked the judges about Kyle's excessive time during turns, and they said he had 15 seconds for each action. So Kyle really just did what the judges were allowing him to do. Again, no sour grapes, when you go somewhere else, you do the best you can and hope a call goes your way.
He would have won anyway, he really did outplay me.
Rick
the_sniper
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??? What's your point Brian??? BTW, might want to change your username ( unless your
also a Dodger fan
The rule book says 1st one to 6 prizes. Not do what you have to do to limit your
opponents turns due to a bad match-up, w/e. Your words, not mine elm.
Even if you play that way elm, I wouldn't
be bragging about it . But that is your choice.
I'm not bashing you, so please don't
take it that way, but ( by your own words) it was a cheap win. If your proud of cheap wins, then
more power to you.
TOOOOO many players use the clock to win games these days, that is the point
I am trying to make.
Papi/Manny
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Yeah, definately time to change it to something like KG/Brady, lol. Kinda funny how nomar+manny+joe torre...lol yeah. I was referring to the whole Andrew Cox game lose thing. Cheap wins, no matter what, are not cool. And slowplaying is definately a huge issue (and our champion is an expert at it).??? What's your point Brian??? BTW, might want to change your username ( unless your
also a Dodger fan
The rule book says 1st one to 6 prizes. Not do what you have to do to limit your
opponents turns due to a bad match-up, w/e. Your words, not mine elm.
Even if you play that way elm, I wouldn't
be bragging about it . But that is your choice.
I'm not bashing you, so please don't
take it that way, but ( by your own words) it was a cheap win. If your proud of cheap wins, then
more power to you.
TOOOOO many players use the clock to win games these days, that is the point
I am trying to make.
Also, Kyle is still a kid. He is still learning, and I'm sure hie elders in TX will help him with that. The judging there has come a long way and will continue to do so. I bet stalling in TX will be looked at much better since then.
But John is an upstanding player. He will come at you hard, but fair. He just wants whats best for the game. Full rights to win the game maybe, but you really want a clean win. At least he didn't pick a fight with me
But John is an upstanding player. He will come at you hard, but fair. He just wants whats best for the game. Full rights to win the game maybe, but you really want a clean win. At least he didn't pick a fight with me
That is called slow playing. I don't know if this kid is playing in the Grinders or not but we need find whoever judged Gino top 8 match and get him to follow him around.
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Let's put a cap on this, Kyle won, this was last year, and if you want to blame someone, blame the judges. It's up to them to police the games. Period.
My original point was to limit pokepowers ( not counting coming into play and always on ) to one per turn. So that decks that use multple pokepowers can't use this to legaly stall and stop 8 minute turns in a 30 minute game. I really think we have too many actions per turn. If you have judges that allow 15 seconds per action, you could drag a turn for quite some time. Because that really meant 15 seconds to choose your action ( ie, holon mentor, 15 seconds to pick your pokemon, then 20 -30 more to shuffle). I timed a turn and came up with 8 - 12 minutes to " legally" take a turn using the 15 second method.
As a PTO, 30 minutes HAS to be the limit. I've been on both sides, and while there are people who live to stay working a pokemon event until 3 in the morning, sometimes the venue won't allow it, parents don't want their kids out that late (imagine that), staff has real life work the next day,........you get the picture. I feel that the rounds are fine, it's the turns that need tuning up.
That was my point. Please leave Kyle alone. I'm sorry I used our match as an example.
Rick
My original point was to limit pokepowers ( not counting coming into play and always on ) to one per turn. So that decks that use multple pokepowers can't use this to legaly stall and stop 8 minute turns in a 30 minute game. I really think we have too many actions per turn. If you have judges that allow 15 seconds per action, you could drag a turn for quite some time. Because that really meant 15 seconds to choose your action ( ie, holon mentor, 15 seconds to pick your pokemon, then 20 -30 more to shuffle). I timed a turn and came up with 8 - 12 minutes to " legally" take a turn using the 15 second method.
As a PTO, 30 minutes HAS to be the limit. I've been on both sides, and while there are people who live to stay working a pokemon event until 3 in the morning, sometimes the venue won't allow it, parents don't want their kids out that late (imagine that), staff has real life work the next day,........you get the picture. I feel that the rounds are fine, it's the turns that need tuning up.
That was my point. Please leave Kyle alone. I'm sorry I used our match as an example.
Rick
meganium45
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Kyle, if I misinterpreted, then I owe you an apology.
Rick, I agree, it is the old chicken and egg...if the judges allow it, it must be legal.
Your post of intentionally running down the time...says enough to me that you knew what you were doing.
Vince
Rick, I agree, it is the old chicken and egg...if the judges allow it, it must be legal.
Your post of intentionally running down the time...says enough to me that you knew what you were doing.
Vince
Dr. Mason
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I still say that intentionally running down time is very, very wrong. Time limits are only in place to prevent tournaments from lasting days on end, a necessary measure, but people are playing them up to win. In my opinion it's dishonest and wrong, and I won't shake the hand of any player who does it. Just my opinion.
Caution was what I meant.
To be clear, he was doing it before I asked the judges. The judges just allowed it. They were just following a guideline without using the common sense that comes from experince.
What Pop just described above was the way it should have been handled, but I disagree with the no penatly. If I see a player stalling, and it's fairly easy to see he knows what he's doing, I'll attach a penalty.They have to know you mean business. Unless it would lead to a PP or GL because of previous penatlies, then I would tell them that if they do it again, it will lead to that. Pop, stalling IS serious enough to issue a penatly. In masters, that is a penatly. Maybe juniors or seniors you let them slide once. I'm fairly sure Liesik doesn't care much for stalling. WWLD?
And every judge should issue a caution for stalling.
To be clear, he was doing it before I asked the judges. The judges just allowed it. They were just following a guideline without using the common sense that comes from experince.
What Pop just described above was the way it should have been handled, but I disagree with the no penatly. If I see a player stalling, and it's fairly easy to see he knows what he's doing, I'll attach a penalty.They have to know you mean business. Unless it would lead to a PP or GL because of previous penatlies, then I would tell them that if they do it again, it will lead to that. Pop, stalling IS serious enough to issue a penatly. In masters, that is a penatly. Maybe juniors or seniors you let them slide once. I'm fairly sure Liesik doesn't care much for stalling. WWLD?
And every judge should issue a caution for stalling.
NoPoke
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I extend time too. Stalling requires a determination of intent, Which is not easy if a player is doing everything they can do in a turn but is timely in those individual actions. Players are allowed to win on time and defensive play is a valid strategy.
I always hope to pick players up on SLOW PLAY long before it gets so bad that accusations of stalling might be made. I only have one penalty for stalling and it is a DQ - haven't had to use it yet.
I always hope to pick players up on SLOW PLAY long before it gets so bad that accusations of stalling might be made. I only have one penalty for stalling and it is a DQ - haven't had to use it yet.
ryanvergel
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Just think, Elm... what would those judges have done if they could see your posts now...
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