the road to us ranking invites... (dialup users beware - text heavy )
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well its just like anything else. i wouldnt expect an invite to b given out to every person who did well in a premier event. It would only be given out to a player who could keep their rating balanced throughout the season. In an olympic finals match should the loser be given a gold medal instead of the silver?
pokeirv
Member
You missed the point..using your analogy, it would be like telling someone don't race and you'll get the gold medal.
As for Regionals, don't you think winning a regional is enough of a premier event to warrant an invite? Not like people building up ratings by playing in Br's and Cities to build up ratings and then sitting out bigger events.
TheDancingPeanut
New Member
I would like to see more play-in events, but that's just me. I think it makes the format more interesting. In 2006 we had people trying different things for a day...but now the key is consistency, and so the same decks get played over and over. I still think POP would be better if there was a middle ground between Play-in and ratings. I don't understand what was wrong with the '06 system anyway.
garchompx12
New Member
what the?!? i was 1908 yesterday which should be the resutls from nats and now im 1918
everything is getting messed up
everything is getting messed upUnfortunately winning a Regionals isn't enough. I know better than anybody. Everyone kept telling me I had to perform in Nats because I don't get to beat up multiple BRs/CCs and I did it this time. All these people are eating their words.
Umbreon777
New Member
I hate the fact that if I didnt play at Nats, I would have easily got invite at 1869.
But no...
I go 5-4 and probably terribly miss it.
MMMMMMMMMMMMM SOUR GRAPES =D
But no...
I go 5-4 and probably terribly miss it.
MMMMMMMMMMMMM SOUR GRAPES =D
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JandPDS
New Member
It all depends on what your goal was, if you goal was to try to win Nationals, well you had your chance and it did not work out. If you goal this year was to make it to worlds, well then you should have skipped Nationals.
A player here in Washington Skipped Nationals last year to make sure that he made it into worlds, this year though he decided to play in Nationals, it did not work out form him either. If he had skipped Nationals this year also he might have gotten into Worlds again. If you have a high score (in the top 30) and you want to make worlds, Skipping Nats is probably the best Strategy. If you are out of the running for worlds then you need to go ahead and playing Nats. It appears that one player in Masters did not playing a single event all year, then he played Nationals and Made Top 8 so he played 13 total games this year and he gets to play in Worlds, that is the system we have and we need to make the best of it.
Or you can just be like me and know that you will never be good enough to play in Worlds, so you never really worry too much about your ranking. (But I did enjoy being the #84 ranked Masters player after Regionals) You just have fun playing pokemon all year long, enjoy top cutting an event here and there, and then go play in the Grinder each and every year and have an absolute blast doing it.
Tom Dolezal is absolutely amazing and his T8 is no fluke. He's the only player to top cut all 5 U.S. Nationals to my knowledge. He totally deserves his invite.
As for complaining and having sour grapes about missing due to your Nationals performance: deal with it. All I heard last year was how I should have "performed" in Nats and that was the reason I missed. Funny how things have changed.
Out of the 38 players above me in ratings going into U.S. Nationals, only 9 outperformed me in the event. I think that says quite a bit. I still was even 70th in Nationals last year, losing to 2 pros after starting 5-1. Maybe me dominating my state for two years isn't so EASY after all. California's so bad. We only had like 5 players in the top cut this time.
My goal has always been to have fun and WIN. U.S. Nationals this year didn't change that for me. My rating didn't change that for me. I went in knowing I could either 3-0 drop or win 7 games to clinch an invite. I started 5-1 and was pretty weary about my horrific starts. I kept playing, got to 7-1 and lost in T64 to the 2006 World Champion. My opponents were insanely strong and I stand by what I did. I think I've earned it.
Good luck to everyone on the bubble.
As for complaining and having sour grapes about missing due to your Nationals performance: deal with it. All I heard last year was how I should have "performed" in Nats and that was the reason I missed. Funny how things have changed.
Out of the 38 players above me in ratings going into U.S. Nationals, only 9 outperformed me in the event. I think that says quite a bit. I still was even 70th in Nationals last year, losing to 2 pros after starting 5-1. Maybe me dominating my state for two years isn't so EASY after all. California's so bad. We only had like 5 players in the top cut this time.
My goal has always been to have fun and WIN. U.S. Nationals this year didn't change that for me. My rating didn't change that for me. I went in knowing I could either 3-0 drop or win 7 games to clinch an invite. I started 5-1 and was pretty weary about my horrific starts. I kept playing, got to 7-1 and lost in T64 to the 2006 World Champion. My opponents were insanely strong and I stand by what I did. I think I've earned it.
Good luck to everyone on the bubble.
ToysRUsKid
Active Member
Keep on preaching !!!
You can't deny The Hulk's Invite, he ALWAYS performs well at nats. He's one of the top players in the game period.
I don't see you criticizing Jeremy Maron for sitting all of 06 and T4ing again for the Worlds Invite in Hawaii.
Should why a better player in Tom get criticized the same way?
NoPoke
Active Member
Everytime you play there is a risk. But there is also a potential reward. To say that the system needs fixing because it discourages people from playing isn't the right reason for change. The system no more discourages play late season than it encourages play early season. However it is not easy to see it this way. There is no way around the fact that losing games will always reduce your rating, in much the same way that you get the high rating in the first place by winning games. Any system that is trying to select players based upon demonstration of skill at tournaments is going to treat a 4-4 finish as an indication of an average performance on the day. I know that it is dissapointing at the time, but don't be discouraged by it. Not easy advice I know.
The rating system does need change, and each year there has been change. Next year I hope that the potential negative impact of the last and biggest tournament of the year will be reduced. Next year I hope that a 4-4 performance would not produce a 63 point loss like this year has for your son, But I have no doubt that it should adjust his rating more towards the average player in the field - just not such big shifts from one late season tournament no matter how important it may be.
Should you choose to go to worlds I wish you and your son the very best of luck.
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Hey whatever happened to Jeremy Maron anyways?
TheDarkTwins
Active Member
I am indeed missing a win. It was re-added today. I should move up a few points. My win was originally for about 2.5 points. That should be just enough to jump over some people. :thumb:
Drew
the_sniper
New Member
Tom is " Mr. Nationals". Period. Tom belongs there more than I do. He met the criteria, and
played himself in. What he did was pretty amazing- but I'd never bet against him.
For the record, I would NEVER sit out Nationals to secure my invite. NEVER! Go to Nats. to win
Nats. Do what Chad did, lay it out there and just play through it. Personally, having been so close
to winning it just makes me want it that much more.
Congrats. Chad.
played himself in. What he did was pretty amazing- but I'd never bet against him.
For the record, I would NEVER sit out Nationals to secure my invite. NEVER! Go to Nats. to win
Nats. Do what Chad did, lay it out there and just play through it. Personally, having been so close
to winning it just makes me want it that much more.
Congrats. Chad.
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
Extreme circumstances convinced me to play a fickle rating game last year, such as A) already having earned a free trip to Ohio and B) receiving a free Hawaii trip for not playing.
I went a disappointing 5-4 this year...a 5-4 that very easily could have been a top cut appearance had my luck with not been so abysmal. If only one of you were in my shoes at the time...lol.
But you know what? I'm very happy that I took the risk. I had guts to go with something that seemed top-notch for the field, and to an extent my "hypothesis" proved true, with Coldcoates90 essentially running the same deck and earning an invite with it. You play to win the game, guys, and taking big risks help make those victories possible. Sometimes those risks will go against you, such as they have for me the past couple of years. Heck, they might even go against you for year after year. But if you have any will to win, then it's worth it.
Oh, and sitting without a trip to Hawaii on the line seems silly. Play in the grinder, you big babies.
I went a disappointing 5-4 this year...a 5-4 that very easily could have been a top cut appearance had my luck with not been so abysmal. If only one of you were in my shoes at the time...lol.
But you know what? I'm very happy that I took the risk. I had guts to go with something that seemed top-notch for the field, and to an extent my "hypothesis" proved true, with Coldcoates90 essentially running the same deck and earning an invite with it. You play to win the game, guys, and taking big risks help make those victories possible. Sometimes those risks will go against you, such as they have for me the past couple of years. Heck, they might even go against you for year after year. But if you have any will to win, then it's worth it.
Oh, and sitting without a trip to Hawaii on the line seems silly. Play in the grinder, you big babies.
pokeirv
Member
I agree with you. It's a shame that a heavy rated tournament can ruin a whole season of consistency but that's they way it is. We will never sit out a tournament just to preserve ratings but I understand what you did for Hawaii if you had a prepaid trip to Worlds. Just a shame to have you and anyone else put in that position. That's not a proper lesson for the kids.
I think I would have to agree, my son was the number one ranked player in TX at 1883.65 before Nats, we thought about letting him sit out and not play, he would not hear of it. He is 8 and pokemon is his world!! He went 4-4 at Nats, putting him at 1814, now he is number 40 in NA--- was he sad, YES! Did he have a good time, YES! Are we going to the grinder, you bet...we took the risk and it didn't pan out on Saturday....If we would have dropped after the 1st lost, he would have the invite...tough choices!!!
NoPoke
Active Member
Well you know that I disagree with that. We need a rating system that takes better account of the risk, and adjusts the stake appropriately.
As much as I personally may not like the K44 for nationals from a mathematics and systems dynamics point of view I expect a high K value nationals is here to stay. Building the fun property of our game (that outcomes are not purely down to player skill) into our rating system helps as does allowing for rogue outliers in the data set. The very simple approach of ignoring every players highest gain and highest loss does much to correct for worst effects of a late season donk at nationals. Provisional ratings takes care of the grinches. There is still lots of room for improvement and tuning of the rating system to be a better match for pokemon tcg.
csweet: :clap: way to go!. I hope your son does well in the grinder, but even if he does not I'm sure he will enjoy it as his heart is obviously in the right place and he seems mature beyond his years.
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