Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

This stream is awful

Well it was entertaining to watch and listen to imo. If you wanted to analyze it then just mute it and go play by play. I mean seriously you can understand it yourself if you need to analyze it.

And would no stream be better than a stream with bad commentary that can be muted that shows the game completely.
 
Freze said:
Well it was entertaining to watch and listen to imo. If you wanted to analyze it then just mute it and go play by play. I mean seriously you can understand it yourself if you need to analyze it.

And would no stream be better than a stream with bad commentary that can be muted that shows the game completely.
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Of course not. That doesn't mean that we can't comment on how the commentary was. Hopefully Pokemon listens and reads our complaints and changes things to make the stream better next year.
 
SMP88 said:
Of course not. That doesn't mean that we can't comment on how the commentary was. Hopefully Pokemon listens and reads our complaints and changes things to make the stream better next year.
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Yeah that is fine, but the kind of vibe I was getting from this was an ungrateful one. TPC tried to make the game better then people complain without saying that it was a positive change in general. Kinda of a mixed signal if you ask me.
 
Freze said:
Yeah that is fine, but the kind of vibe I was getting from this was an ungrateful one. TPC tried to make the game better then people complain without saying that it was a positive change in general. Kinda of a mixed signal if you ask me.
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First line of the thread is "props for trying."
 
I couldn't watch the finals without taking out my phone constantly and checking to see what sort of trash they were saying that was already going viral on facebook. On the other hand, during the Top Cut Invitational later that night, I was so deeply involved with the inspired and insightful commentary that I didn't touch my phone for 4 hours. It was truly phenominal how well Pooka and Pram work together. Their knowlege of the game is second to none. It is embarrassing for the company that the unofficial Worlds related stream was leaps and bounds better than the main event.
 
This would be my dream commentator set up:
Morgan Freeman being provided what to say by say Pooka and Pram
Andres Cantor to announce prizes

Imagine if you will
Freeman: Harrison promotes the Mewtwo...
Cantor: AND HE X BALLS FOR THE KOOOOOOOOOOOO
Freeman: And with that Harrison is now able to draw two prizes

It would be magical
 
Politoed666 said:
First line of the thread is "props for trying."
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That is like destroying someone and then saying no offense.

Like shouting racial slurs at someone then saying no offense or the other way round no offense and then shout racial slurs.

Trican: Awesome idea, but sadly never going to happen.
 
Freze said:
Yeah that is fine, but the kind of vibe I was getting from this was an ungrateful one. TPC tried to make the game better then people complain without saying that it was a positive change in general. Kinda of a mixed signal if you ask me.
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No one was saying that the stream wasn't a good thing. It would have been less of an issue if the TTC crew weren't THERE and probably willing to do it. Fact of the matter is they had experienced casters there, and knew of the demand for them from the competitive players, yet chose to go with the other option. I can understand if they took casters that they did with the goal of trying to cater to a larger audience via the Gamespot partnership, but their casters didn't even do that well - either for the TCG or the VGC... which kinda leaves me with the impression in that this is an opportunity lost.
 
Freze said:
That is like destroying someone and then saying no offense.

Like shouting racial slurs at someone then saying no offense or the other way round no offense and then shout racial slurs.

Trican: Awesome idea, but sadly never going to happen.
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The second example is such a mountain out of a molehill i won't even bother, but what exactly is wrong with the first one in this scenerio? Pokemon set out to give the game live commentary, somethign we had all wanted. The first thing we do is thank them for their efforts. We wanted it and they delivered. However, that does not negate the unbearable experience of actually listening to the commentary dellivered throughout the day. They were grasping at straws in every moment of their commentary that i could make myself watch, and with Twitter's rampage of misnamed cards, i assume longer. This needs to be brought to attention, with absolutely no holds barred. I'd rather give someone an honest opinion than make them think a trainwreck is a masterpiece.

Everyone has pretty much made the points i would make. I understand that trusting a couple of guys from Youtube with commentating the Master's World Championship finals may have seeemed daunting to the higher ups, and it was a nice enough gesture to let them record some other matches. But after seeing what people chosen for their ability to speak over their knowledge of the game, now is the time to react and show them that the little side tournmament these same guys ran was insermountabely more enjoyable and more professional than the World Championship finals.

Worlds 2013, let TTC commentate. You won't regret it.
 
All requisite genuflection to the fact that it was streamed, yes. But...

Most successful broadcasting teams have two or three people "in the booth". One to provide play-by-play, and one or two to provide color. If you know your audience, you can get away with shifting that balance. TTC is so successful because they know their audience (...people interested enough in the TCG to be watching match videos online) and know they can get away with less play-by-play and more color (specifically, strategy).

That said:

The stream last night didn't understand that basic knowledge of the event being covered is the minimum bar that both people in the booth need to be able to pass. It seemed like they fully expected to have a less knowledgeable viewing audience (arguable, but not inconceivable) and therefore decided that they needed to have a "Joe Everyman" proxy in the booth.

It worked about as well as (for example) Monday Night Football deciding to use Al Michaels and Kim Kardashian.

You're not going to help out your less-knowledgeable viewers by misnaming cards. You're not going to help out your less-knowledgeable viewers by uttering "Wait, what just happened?" repeatedly. You're REALLY not going to help out your less-knowledgeable viewers by cutting to a close-up view of the competitor's faces while they're busy making complex plays.

I have a feeling someone in TPCi made a conscious decision not to use Pooka & Pram because they assumed that those two would be commenting at too high of a level. I would urge TPCi to give TTC's videos another listen, and at LEAST consider pairing up Kyle with the more-knowledgeable "pro broadcaster" they had yesterday (was it Arthur Halavais?); allow Arthur to be a knowledgeable "Joe Everyman", and at least we won't be hearing about Professor N's Trash Claw next time.

And once more, since it is important: Great job on having the tech and people in place to be able to stream the finals. That was much appreciated, gripes notwithstanding.
 
Ya know the thing is TPCi needs to know that the effort was appreciated, but the quality was lacking.

I'm going to go out on a whim here and say they didn't let people like Pram or Pooka commentate as they didn't want the comments to be slanted. I will say I've met Pram personally, and I have listened to TTC videos of other matches, so it's not my personal belief that they would be slanted. What I mean is if Pram and Pooka supported Harrison more than Igor they wouldn't want it broadcast-ed that way.

I think a great team would be one of the commentators they had paired with say Pokepop or BDS. I think someone like Team Compendium is going to be unbiased in the eyes of TPCi, but also have a solid knowledge of the game. Having seen them in action in the judging seminar I think they are fully capable of being enjoyable to watch and knowledgeable of the game at the same time.

My other thought is if through the year TTC continues to work with the various levels of events they may build enough repertoire with TPCi to show that they can be unbiased in their play by play.

I would like to think that when TPCi is back in regular operations as in say the next couple weeks they are likely looking for feedback on the commentaries. If you so choose to voice your opinion keep it formal and realistic. I mean when I submit my feedback it won't mention Freeman and Cantors. Make sure you let them know you did appreciate the effort, but have some feedback to offer.
 
I've followed TTC since the beginning, and I'm sure anyone can attest to their unbiased nature when it comes to match reporting. Additionally, while someone like Pokepop or someone else from Team Compendium is attuned to all intricacies of the rules, they can't weave themselves in and out of the game state, foresee events turns in advance, weigh the pros and cons of playing a card at a certain time, and discuss every imaginable out as the game reaches its climax the way TTC can.
 
You did notice I said I don't feel they're unbiased right? I assume you did, but at the same time I got the tone you didn't. The thing is you'd have to convince TPCi of this and the question would really come has TPCi watched this stuff?
 
There was a non-GameSpot Japanese based stream for VGC (maybe TCG as well?). I don't know what GameSpot's exact involvement was but even this year they weren't absolutely necessary. I don't know enough Japanese to say how good the Japanese commentary was. However, I could make out Pokemon names and moves and they were coming up where you might expect them to for competent commentary.

GameSpot might have some sort of agreement to advertise the event in exchange for English streaming and commentary rights. If so, they probably aren't willing to just hand over the commentary rights to a fan group. However, they might be willing to invite a former National or World Champion as a guest commentator or something.
 
I think we should all go over to the gamespot website, thank them for doing the stream and then beg them to get an actual pokemon expert in on the commentating, explaining how much of an embarrassment they were.
 
There are literally thousands of teenagers who would do a better job of commentating, and most of them would volunteer to do it.
 
You guys have to realize that by putting a commentator on the stream, that Pokemon is risking a bit. They have to be absolutely sure that what is said will be in the best interest of the company. I am NOT saying that TTC would not attempt to demean Pokemon in any way, but from a company standpoint, you want to go with an established company for commentary (Gamespot). That is also a reason they had a tPCI representative doing commentary also. Hopefully next year if they stream worlds, they will put someone under contract for commentary that can "dumb" the action down for new players, and still keep it exciting.

Also, for next years stream, please do NOT cut away from the center of the table. It does miss some crucial plays. I saw a Random Receiver played from the side angle, but did not see what was grabbed =/

This is a step in the right direction for game growth, and I am happy to have had the ability to watch the finals live. I also got a few laughs in cause of the commentary, but imo the stream wasn't awful, but it can be improved upon.

Lets see what happens next year!
 
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