Ursaring MT - Bad Temper?

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by EHLERZ5, Sep 19, 2007.

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  1. EHLERZ5

    EHLERZ5 New Member

    I had a couple kids at league play this card and I'm not sure I gave them the right answer. Need a questioned answered.

    :colorless:colorless BAD TEMPER 30

    The defending pokemon is now confused. During your opponents next turn, that pokemons attacks do 60 more damage to the Active Pokemon (before applying weakness & Resistance)


    is is A or B???

    Let's say you're playing the Ursaring....

    A)When he attacks you the next time while confused, if he rolls heads and is sucessful, then his attacks do 60 additional damage to your Ursaring.

    or

    B)Since it will be his turn, your OPPONENT will be the Active Pokemon.... If he tries to attack while confused, and rolls tails, then he will not only do the 3 damage counter penalty to himself, it will sting him for 60 more?

    And let me ask a little more.... How do you rate this cards playing ablility???

    Thank peeps.... This site has helped me alot! :thumb:
     
  2. JokerBoi

    JokerBoi New Member

    No your opponent doesnt deal an additional 60 to itself because it only does 60 extra to the defending and confusion if I am correct is placing damage. Ursaring is playable he has great synergy with Gardy PK. But dont ever use this attack unless you are really desperate
     
  3. Ikari

    Ikari New Member

    Option "A".

    Like Jokerboy says, its second attack is the play with Gardy PK. But this attack its just... weird :nonono:
     
  4. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    Placing 3 damage counters for Confusion does not "do" any damage, so you don't add 60 to it.
    However, if it successfully attacks Ursaring, then it does the extra damage.
     
  5. NoPoke

    NoPoke New Member

    'Active Pokemon' means both your active pokemon and your opponents active pokemon.

    So if the opponent had a self damaging attack then the self damage would also be increased by 60 on a flip of heads. Ouch!
     
  6. EHLERZ5

    EHLERZ5 New Member

    Really???

    So if I threw Usring out there against a Pokemon that attacks and it says it does "10 damage to itself", his attack would do ## + 60 to Usring and then 10 + 60 to himself?
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2007
  7. Dark_Fyre

    Dark_Fyre New Member

  8. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    Yes sir.

    Pokemon games last to long, anyway. XD
     
  9. Ikari

    Ikari New Member

    Are you sure? Check the wording:

    The defending pokemon is now confused. During your opponents next turn, that pokemons attacks do 60 more damage to the Active Pokemon (before applying weakness & Resistance)

    It says "to the active", not 60 more damage (And no other word...).

    I think worded in that way means 60 to your PKMN and in case of self damage, it stay in 10 (Or whatever the attacking card says)

    Pokepop! Help! :smile:
     
  10. Dark_Fyre

    Dark_Fyre New Member

    as for its playability, it can work, just make sure the people using it know to almost NEVER use its first attack
     
  11. NoPoke

    NoPoke New Member

    The same wording is used on Strength Charm. Check out the compendiumEX for the actual rulling on Strength Charm. [The rulling is repeated for Solid Rage and Darkness Energy too.]
     
  12. Rocket_Spenser

    Rocket_Spenser New Member

    I think the idea is that most people will not attack with a confused pokemon, however, the damage bonus is meant to be a double enentre in that it temps the opponent into attacking so it could do bonus damage to them or to you. The question, is do they value there active enough to retreat, or are they willing to risk it. however, its a pretty stupid attack, because 60 to 30 is no real comparison.
     
  13. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    .....actually, anyone else notice that this is the first Ursaring card since the E-Sets?

    Just to make it easy:

    So, unless the conclusive metarule is/was changed with the introduction of DP like some basic rules, it's reasonable to say:

    And, thus, something akin to this:

    And this, just because everyone has the right to further implore:

    And, possibly, something like this:

     
  14. Dark_Fyre

    Dark_Fyre New Member

    there was an ursaring in unseen forces
    nice post
     
  15. yoshi1001

    yoshi1001 New Member

    No, there was one in UF.

    The interesting thing is if the player can remove confusion without altering (evolving, switching, etc) their active Pokemon, they still get the bonus.

    Basically, confusion does not do damage, so the effect will not add to it due to the carrier wave phenomenon. Now, if the attack did damage to the attacking Pokemon (like Goldeen), then you would add 60.

    At least that's how I read it.
     
  16. Ikari

    Ikari New Member

    ^^ That was so low and unnecesary... :nonono:
     
  17. Noah121

    Noah121 Active Member

    I think the attack was supposed to have a Swagger-type effect, but it didn't work well. That would be interesting to see how they would incorporate that into a card's attack.
     
  18. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    Uhh, I wasn't insulting you.

    I even stated that you had a right to say what you said...
     
  19. Ikari

    Ikari New Member

    D'oh! Sorry, i think you are being sarcastic with the "STOP ARGUING ON THE INTERNET! NOBODY THINKS YOU'RE COOL!!" stuff :smile:
     
  20. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    Nah, that was supposed to be my girlfriend telling me to stop picking on people online. XD

    *offers handshake*
     

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