water deck help

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  1. killak831

    killak831 New Member

    hey i made a deck thats basically straight water it runs like this:

    chansey x2
    blissey x1
    piplup x3
    prinplup x2
    empoleon x1
    empoleon lvl x x1
    buizel x3
    floatzel x2
    snover x3
    abomasnow x2
    corsola x1

    water x18

    pokeball x1
    duskball x2
    quickball x2
    energy search x3
    pluspower x1
    super scoop up x1
    masterball x1
    nightly garbage run x1 (basically a night maintenance)
    switch x1
    energy removal x1
    potion x1

    island hermit x1
    celio's network x1
    bebe's search x2
    team galatic mars x1
    team galactic's wager x1

    my idea for this was try to get corsola to bring out piplip buizel and snover out, chansey is more of a last pokemon to use just in case due to the fact that blissey can bring out energy cards from the discard. if not i get buizel first and get floatzel as a defense. after that i get abomasnow out because of its pokebody to stall out and a 50/50 chance to the bench while dealing 60 dmg to the opponents active pokemon.then build up piplup to get empoleon/empoleon lvl x out to deal major damage to the bench or to the active. then of course blissey of all else fails.....

    any ideas to improve this deck?

    p.s. i only ran this deck against a friend except i had mantine instead of corsola. and my friend didnt really know how to play and he made a fresh deck so he doesnt know how to use it...
    so much help will be appreciated
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2007
  2. votalesin

    votalesin New Member

    chansey x3
    blissey x3
    piplup x4
    prinplup x3
    empoleon x4
    Stantler x4

    Holon Mentor x2
    Roseanne's Research x3
    Celio's network x3
    TV Reporter x4
    Team Galactics Wager x2
    Quick Ball x2
    Rare candy x3 (one stage 2 line doesn't merit running 4)
    Warp Point x3

    Water x12
    Holon WP x2
    Boost Energy x3

    Energy Removal and Nightly Garbage Run have not been legal for a long time. Singles of Supporters is not often a good idea, unless its something like Steven's Advice. More consistent and faster to have a starting pokemon in a deck like this, hence the Stantler. If you have to start with Blissey, then TVR or Mentor an energy out, and Boost + attach for a quick 80 damage. Optimally, hit hard and bench them with Warp point, then snipe them out with Empoleon. Or snipe first, and use Blissey to clean up afterwards.

    Good Luck!
  3. killak831

    killak831 New Member

    thanks hah...o yeah i didnt realize on the energy removal, it was energy removal 2
    i dont really see the difference why i cant call it energy removal when energy removal 2 has the same effect as the old ones hah

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    o yeah..is there a reason why for the 4-3-4 for empoleon? it doesnt make sense to me
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2007
  4. elekid_957

    elekid_957 New Member

    cause you have rare candy which lets you skip an evolution.
    go with votalesin's idea
  5. killak831

    killak831 New Member

    ok, kool...so any other alternatives? kuz i know its really hard getting blisseys from packs, and i want something to good to beat a gardy/galade/flygon deck

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    o yeah to add

    i just got this idea i do a 4-3-2-2 empoleon kuz i have the promo lv.x and a regular lv.x. then use both of their pokepowers to mess with the opponents hand then maybe use a blissey but if i dont i take them out then put in octillery to deal massive damage to the bench

    i guess you can say is a sniping deck?
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2007
  6. Darkwalker

    Darkwalker New Member

    If you are going to play a 4-3-2-2 Empoleon/Lvl X line I suggest the following. Play 4-4-2-2 because Prinplup is a solid card in it's own right, this will also allow you to drop Empoleon on whichever Prinplup (or Piplup with a RC) you get. Suicune (SW) will help you get your Empoleon and the Lvl X back into your hand, which is very important since you are effectively only running 2 Empoleon. Make sure you have lots of search cards (4 Celio's plus 2-4 Bebe's, and/or PETM) to be able to find your Empoleon, since you will not draw into it that often.

    If you are thinking of running a 3rd line with these two (you mentioned Octillery), a 2-2 Ambipomp line could supply a 3rd hitter. You could also go with 2-2 Mantyke/Mantine to give you a starter and free retreat for all your Water pokemon.
  7. killak831

    killak831 New Member

    thanks darkwalker...i tried out that 4-4-2-2 empoleon and 2-2 mantine and it worked pretty good, but im thinking of doing like a 3-3 octillery to replace my 3-3 floatzel because prinplups second attack relies on a damged pokemon vs octillery's attack that deals 40 as well but it doesnt rely on the factor of damaged pokemon. also im thinking of taking out that suicune and one lv. x emp and just do a 4-4-3-1 emp and put something else in the place of the missing card....thanks for your help dude it ran good against a garchomp/blissey deck but i didnt get the win but did amazingly good
  8. Darkwalker

    Darkwalker New Member

    If you just want a 3rd line for Empoleon, Cloyster(SW) is another decent choice. Overall, 4-4-3-1 is a more stable line for Empoleon. I would suggest playing that instead of the 4-4-2-2 unless you run something that benefits from your opponent having less cards (like the Ambipomp idea). I still suggest you use Suicune as a tech. It's power helps keep up the pressure after your second Empoleon goes down. It also allows you to grab Mantyke, Mantine, and an Empoleon if you had to sacrifice some pokemon early on or Absol's Baleful Wind rips them out of your hand.
  9. killak831

    killak831 New Member

    my friend said for suicunes pokepower i cant use that to get empoleon lv.x back from the discard is that true?

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    anyways..the deck is just doing fine for now i just need some better supporters to bring out empoleon fast because its sometimes slow and sometimes fast...i mite try votalesin's idea for a couple of days it sounds kool
    but i like how mine is going smoothly haha
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2007
  10. BretKid

    BretKid New Member

    yeah it does

    yeah you could use some more celios and i would drop some pokemon lines(i would get rid of the abomasnow and snover) for some more draw/search supporters... i would probaly just use 2 lines if pokemon like maybe blissey/empoleon or flotzel/empoleon :thumb:
  11. killak831

    killak831 New Member

    o...yea i tried that floatzel/empoleon line its pretty nuts it did good agaisnt a meganium/magmortar deck ended up with a loss but i was 1 prize away...my friend that i played agaisnt suggested a empoleon/magmortar line do like a 4-3-4 empoleon, get 4 rare candies, 3 rossannes, 3 celios, and 3-2 magmortar or a 3-3

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    haaha everyday since sunday i re-did my deck hah but itll be well worth it hah
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2007
  12. MrMeches

    MrMeches New Member

    Since you have changed your deck so much, could you post a new list.. I would like to get an idea of what direction your going to see if there is some tweaks to help!!

    ~Prof. Fish~
  13. killak831

    killak831 New Member

    4 piplup
    3 prinplup
    2 empoleon
    1 empoleon lv.x
    1 suicune
    3 buizel
    2 floatzel
    2 chansey
    1 blissey

    18 water energy

    2 potion
    2 superscoop up
    3 pluspower
    2 quickball
    1 warp point
    1 scott
    1 island hermit
    2 team glactic mars
    1 team galactic wager
    1 professor rowan
    1 professor elm's training method
    1 celio's network
    2 bebe's search
    1 holon adventurer
    1 tv reporter

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    if i get 3 magmortars (sw) i might put them in since they spread damage pretty good...just like a lucario but i get to hit 2 with magmortars second move i switch these with floatzel and i just neeed like 3 rare candies, 4 celios, 2 rosannes, and 2 warp points and i think itll be good and im thinking of taking out blissey and the lv.x

    and do a 10fire/8water energy

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    ok i did some quick mods and imma post up my set plans for this deck because i think i wont be able to fix it once i do get them

    4 piplup
    3 prinplup
    2 empoleon
    1 empoleon lv.x
    4 magmars
    2 magmortars (sw)
    1 suicune
    1 quilfish

    9 water energy
    10 fire energy

    3 bebe's search
    1 celio
    1 professor elms training method
    1 holon mentor
    3 plus power
    3 galactic mars
    1 galactic wager
    1 scott
    1 professor rowan
    2 potions
    2 super scoop ups
    1 warp points
    2 quick balls
    1 island hermit

    set plans
    -1empoleon lv.x
    -3bebe's searches
    -1 team galactic mars
    -1 island hermit
    -1 holon mentor
    -1 pluspower
    -1 water enery?

    +1-2 magmortars (sw)
    +2 empoleons
    +3 rare candies
    +2 rosannes research
    +2 warp points
    +2 celios
    +1 PETM

    i think this should be more solid and consistant but ill eventually see in the future but for now i think its a decent deck -empoleon dynamite lol

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    crap i forgot energy searches lol
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2007
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