Weavile with G&G - A Team Rogue Hunters Production
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4 Sneasel + 4 Weavile = 8, sir. And it's not as if 7 is any better.
~`Flygon`~
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a tech isnt 8 cards,a tech is 1 or a 1-1 or 1-0-1 line,Weavile in here is just part of the deck and then incoperates into the stradegy of the deck.
Gatr isnt that good since u would have to run a 2-1-2 line and then add a few cards to adjust to that, Im glad Ness and Alvis are giving it a try,just cuz they are using it dosent make it good,G&G is best with more Gardys than Gallades,and with like 1 or 2 techs,not another line of poke that just dosent help any matchup.
Gatr isnt that good since u would have to run a 2-1-2 line and then add a few cards to adjust to that, Im glad Ness and Alvis are giving it a try,just cuz they are using it dosent make it good,G&G is best with more Gardys than Gallades,and with like 1 or 2 techs,not another line of poke that just dosent help any matchup.
Well, you said you wanted "tech" to deal with Mortar. And since Weavile doesn't really have any other real purpose, that's what it appears to be. Either way it's a waste.
BTW, a 2-1-2 line of Gatr (you must be a bit inexperienced to think of running a 2-1-2. Alvis was only running 1-1-1. If something is tech, why would YOU run multiples of it?) needs nothing else. You already run DRE's/Scrambles and Candies in a Gallade deck, no other inclusions are required to "adjust to that." And I'm not sure how instrumental it was in his day overall, but Alvis was running that line in his deck when he won Cities here in Chicago this year. I did see him get it out in the finals and use it. He beat Chuck to get into top 2 but I'm not sure if it came in handy in that game, although Chuck was running Mortar so I'd assume so.
In any case, running Gatr is a FAR better idea than running Weavile. Gatr is meant to be a tech. You seem to want to use Weavile as a main Poke when he doesn't add much of anything to a deck that clearly doesn't need it. There's really no true "strategy" besides relying on a couple of specific scenarios which are minuscule, unimportant, very difficult and deterring to achieve, and rather pointless in the long run.
I just don't see how you can say Feraligatr is a line that doesn't help any matchup (which is 100% false, BTW) when you run something as bad as Weavile, which will only help accomplish a few minor things if it gets LUCKY. Win a Cities and Top 4 at States with this like Alvis did before you compare the 2 lines, and maybe I'll give you the benefit. Not happening, though. And lines CAN be tech, what do you think Dusknoir, and Dugtrio are? They are tech. I was under the impression that you've been playing a while, but with this and other of your recent posts, I'm not so sure anymore. Or am I misunderstanding you?
Again, sorry, but this is just bad. Kudos on the idea and definitely the line of thinking of how it would work, but it's just too slow and deters from G&G's focus too much and wouldn't do good in any competitive environment. It just isn't good.
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~`Flygon`~
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A 4-4 line is a tech??right........ Just cuz 2 people use the line dosent make it good,how can Gatr be helpful in the matchup,if good magmortar list still beat it consistantly,you have to understand that your not Alvis or Ness,so stop using their names,and ure misunderstanding it, whyw ould u run a 4-4 line and call it a tech,a 2-1-2 is still incoperated in the deck since u have to make a change to make it run properly,thats what IM saying,u dont have to be sure,cuz I could be beat u in games of pokemanz all day.:lol:
2 people who are extremely high ranked players which probably have far more credentials than most here including myself and are probably FAR better than anyone in this topic, but that's besides the point.
You need to make an effort at better grammar, I can't really understand what you are saying about Gatr and "if good magmortar list still beat it constantly." Beat what constantly? A Gallade that runs a 1-1-1 Gatr???
I never said it was tech, I said that flygon999 seems to look at it that way since his only reason for running it is using it against Magmortar, and in order to even be effective it needs the aid of two other cards while being a pain in the *** to set up AND prohibits the progress of Gallade and Gardy, the real stars of the deck. Anyone who actually knows anything of how to use strategy intelligently and effectively knows that that's just bad.
Who would run a 2-1-2 line as tech? I already said the line was a 1-1-1 and since there are DREs, Scrambles, and Candies, NO, you do NOT have to make a change as you claim.
A poor argument wrapped in poor grammar followed by a cocky assumption. That's not quite the respectable attitude, sir. It's such a terrible attitude that a calm, nice person like myself would attempt to play against you and beat you just to see you have to stuff it and quiet yourself down. Keep it professional, please. While Flygon999 and I don't see eye to eye, we've been civil, and you had to come along with your unprofessional attitude and it's quite pathetic.
And please, try spell checking your posts, I could barely understand any of your post.
Like I said, win Cities/States with this over what I proposed and you'll get the benefit from me, but it's never going to happen.
~`Flygon`~
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Lol unprofessional??We aren't getting sponsered by companies to play pokemon so please,save me the time on such. I am calm,I'm not yelling at you or insulting you. I can beat you just as much as you can beat me. Spelling because I said "cuz" and "why would" got stuck together,please this isn't grammar class so don't think your just making all the sense in the world.
All your basing what your saying of how I'm spelling,which isn't even related to the topic.You dont know if they had to make the change or not,unless you sat there with them and help tweak the deck yourself,you don't know,your just assuming.In his build,Gatr wont work,neither will Weavile as a 4-4 line or another line for that matter.So TSDMage,if you would like to finish this conversation,please AIM me at Jaemizz1311 since you don't think I'm being civil.
Thanx
So what? As decent people with intelligence, we should all be professional. Be caring, understanding, and calm. There's no reason not to. Forgive me for the criticism, but I'm sorry. I couldn't understand what you typed. What else am I gonna say? This isn't a popularity contest. I'm not complaining about your grammar to "make all the sense in the world" or whatever, I'm saying it because I'd like to UNDERSTAND what you're typing.
Yes, I do. I've seen the decks and seen them played. Then tell me, sir... what changes would you need to make to a GG deck to compliment a 1-1-1 Gatr line? NOTHING. Candies and DRE/Scramble = nothing else is needed to support it. I don't know what you're thinking. And why is this guy's G&G build different than others? It's GG for crying out loud. If it works in one, it can work in another. Agreed on the Weavile and I've already said everything I can say about why it's terrible here.
Oh, no. Your post was civil enough until it reached the cocky, pointless (and probably false), "I can beat you all day" comment. That just makes me laugh. People trying to be L33T (must be cyber-code for ignorant) or whatever on the internets.
~`Flygon`~
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1.his build is just the wierdest Ive seen for a G&G build, Mew * without a NRG accel??Mew SW without NRG accel at least since it can copy their discard attacks.NRG weird,its just out there,not saying its bad or good,just saying,not the basis,he can add Gatr,but in G&G,Gatr isnt really needed since Gallade can be the best thing in the Magmortar matchup instead of Gatr,watching and playtesting against Gatrlade.it shows.
what is this L33T??
Well, sure. If anything I wouldn't even use the Mew lineups, another thing I forgot to mention as being fairly pointless in the deck. I'm not even suggesting Gatr, I prefer Dugtrio, but I just mentioned it as a decent idea, at least far better than running 4-4 Weavile, lol.
L33T, that is if I'm "spelling" it right? **** if I know, just something internet fools use as some code to think they are really "cool" and try to extend their e-peen. ROFL.
~`Flygon`~
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Lolz...not what I was or even attempting to do.
Why worry about Magmortar so much when Banette just runs through the deck way worse than Magmortar can.Banette is near a auto loss.
Blaziken 1111
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16 Techs
4-4 Wevile line
6 dark energy to go with it
1 mew and 1 mew star which the mew star doesn't work
Also a 1-1-1 gatr line is beastly in this deck and also a lot more people have played gatr with GG and ranked high in the states.
Dennis Hawk
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Well, no. You have to make Weavile dark to use the darkness energy's effect, and you won't hit the weakness then.
I like the Weavile idea, although Crystal Beach is the card to play with it.
bullados
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I'm actually kinda liking the 1-1 Weavile TecH in Gallantry, the more I think about it.
It provides decent type coverage over Magmortar, dealing 60 damage with a DRE and dropping their hand size, which is usually significantly large.
It also provides an above average counter to Banette, which 100% destroys Gallantry. Just Dark Engage ANY of the Gardy line, and you've KO'd a Banette, no prizes flipped.
Plus, with free retreat, he can quite easily come in off a Teleport while you're trying to decide what to attack with for your turn. His HP is kinda low for a stage 1, but his Weakness is FANTASTIC in the current environment.
I'm currently trying Gyarados in my Delusions of Gallantry. I'll test with Weavile this weekend to see how it performs against Mag and Ban.
It provides decent type coverage over Magmortar, dealing 60 damage with a DRE and dropping their hand size, which is usually significantly large.
It also provides an above average counter to Banette, which 100% destroys Gallantry. Just Dark Engage ANY of the Gardy line, and you've KO'd a Banette, no prizes flipped.
Plus, with free retreat, he can quite easily come in off a Teleport while you're trying to decide what to attack with for your turn. His HP is kinda low for a stage 1, but his Weakness is FANTASTIC in the current environment.
I'm currently trying Gyarados in my Delusions of Gallantry. I'll test with Weavile this weekend to see how it performs against Mag and Ban.
Flygon999
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Whatever some of you people are criticizing, I don't care, because I just won another game on RedShark. My opponent had:
4-1-2-2 Blaziken PK/GE
3-3-1 Magmortar
2-2 Claydol
3 Pachi
1 Tauros
I won while he had 2 prizes left. I also decided to take out Mew * putting in a 4th DRE and I'm thinking about taking out the Mew SW.
Sorry about the confusion with 4 Weavile. it's been 3 for a long time but I forgot to edit.
Deck Edited:
-1 Mew*
-1 Weavile
+2 DRE
I forgot to mention that my opponent had T2 Blaziken GE + Fire + Rare Candy. Those Weaviles sure came in handy!! I know now that Weavile can't OHKO Mag, but at least it can do 80 and discard some cards from their hand and I did discard cards from their hand most of the time. I usually discarded about 1-3 cards from their hand at a time.
4-1-2-2 Blaziken PK/GE
3-3-1 Magmortar
2-2 Claydol
3 Pachi
1 Tauros
I won while he had 2 prizes left. I also decided to take out Mew * putting in a 4th DRE and I'm thinking about taking out the Mew SW.
Sorry about the confusion with 4 Weavile. it's been 3 for a long time but I forgot to edit.
Deck Edited:
-1 Mew*
-1 Weavile
+2 DRE
I forgot to mention that my opponent had T2 Blaziken GE + Fire + Rare Candy. Those Weaviles sure came in handy!! I know now that Weavile can't OHKO Mag, but at least it can do 80 and discard some cards from their hand and I did discard cards from their hand most of the time. I usually discarded about 1-3 cards from their hand at a time.
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bullados
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I don't think that Weavile would be a very effective starter. Most certainly not as good as Pachi/Stantler or even *shudder* Furret (which I HATE). Quite simply, it doesn't help you get a Gardy or Gallade out of your deck, while both Pachi/Stantler and *shudder* Furret help in that regard. Also, Sneasel is a bad starter at best, because it doesn't stall (Absol, Ralts) and it doesn't help set up (Pachi/Stantler, *shudder* Furret). I'd support it as a 1-1 TecH to a standard setup Gallantry deck. As a 4-3 Starter, main line Pokemon, I don't think it's that great of an idea.
Flygon999
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What I do is use Gardevoir's Telepass to get set up. I use Weavile's Shadow Charge once making sure that my Weavile has 2 Darks. After that, I start attacking doing damage, discarding their hand, and I KO their starters. Forcing them to want to KO me. After they KO me, I send up a Gallade and I KO them. If they happen to KO my Gallade, I just send up a Weavile again. Simple.
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