Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Why is GG/Plox assumed DEAD?!

It's not so much that GG won't be playable, it's that there will be so many other good decks out there that will be able to compete with it, or just flat out dominate it (yes, I know of a few). Yes, it will lose some of the speed that it has now, but thats not the key factor in GG being "dead", its just that there will be plenty of things that will be able to stop it from controlling the format.
 
GG will not be dead but far less popular. Even with DRE it has energy problems sometimes. There should be Pokémon to accelerate energy attachments, or it will be outspeeded by every DP-on deck.

Another big problem will be the popularity of psychic Pokémon with IFDS coming - AMU, Dusknoir and Gengar are all predicted to be top-meta decks, and all three don't have psychic weakness or can negate it easily. Of course Gardevoir can play Azelf too, but it has to be set up and doesn't protect Gallade.

But I still see GG decks being able to win a few Battle Roads or City Championships, if the player is skilled. In addition, Gardevoir could have a future as supporting line - for example Gengar decks with 2-1-2/1 Gardevoir lines.


slayer_chaos said:
The problem that I have with people saying that they'll just run GG with Togekiss is that there just isn't room for it. Let's say they run a standard plox line with no starter and only the togekiss tech, it'd look something like this:
4-2-3-1-2 gardy lv x/gallade
2-1-2 kiss
2-2 claydol
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Where is your problem? My Togechomp States winner decknot only had 21 Pokémon and Togekiss, but also needed to fit in PlusPowers and Crystal Beaches, and it worked. Plox doesn't need that many supporters because it has Claydol and Gardevoir for consistancy.

slayer_chaos said:
Another thing that isn't really being talked about but I feel like it's going to have a real negative effect on GG is Cynthia's Plan. I know if I'm facing a GG I'm never using a Wager and I'm holding onto any Cynthia's I get, so the only way they're leaving my hand is from an oppenent's wager and that'll happen a max of 4 times, probably only 2 or 3. And what that card does is essentially negate all the work GG was doing by wagering then locking with psychic lock. Especially with the shift in the format going from who can abuse special energies to low energy cost attacks I can build up a new attacker really fast, something GG won't be able to do.
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It's the other way around imho. Cynthia's Plan helps Gardevoir because it can choose to Telepass whenever it makes sense. If you play it manually, you won't have it on your hand every time a Pokémon gets knocked out.
 
ShadowGuard said:
It's the other way around imho. Cynthia's Plan helps Gardevoir because it can choose to Telepass whenever it makes sense. If you play it manually, you won't have it on your hand every time a Pokémon gets knocked out.
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Once mid game hits GG doesn't need Cynthia's. But what I'm saying is that the whole point of Gardy is that she does not a lot of damage for 3 energy and a really good effect. Any 1 cynthia's after one of your pokemon gets knocked out and you're right back into it. With 8 cards you'll be able to set so much up as opposed to GG which now needs a togekiss drop to do a lot.

Everything plox is built on is getting a gardy up as fast as possible and psych locking as soon as they can. If run the amount of energy necessary for Togekiss you're cutting the supporters that guarentee the fast Gardy.
 
Togekiss is not the only Pokémon for energy acceleration. I personally think it's one of the worst options available since it can't get Call Energy etc with its power.

With Leafeon for example, you don't have to use that many basic energy and still have space for supporters.
 
Honestly who cares if Gardilade is playable,Im tired of seeing these threads about PLOX/GG,its getting really ridiculous now. Look at our card pool we are receiving from Legend Awakening and possible IFDS,would you even want to play Gardilade after seeing whats playable??
 
People want it to be dead, thats why its assumed to be dead :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure I can build a Plox Version that murders kingdra and should have a good chance against AMU (although I havent tested jet because of worlds)
 
The reason why PLOX will never have a good matchup against AMU is this:

AMU has Azelf.

AMU will continue to use God Blast.
 
Sure cause you can't use Azelf in plox, because it had always issues to tech certain cards because you lack searching power to get your techs out. right :thumb:

And God Blast works against Plox like against every other deck.
If God Blast is enough to kill Plox, then it should be enough to kill anything else...
 
Yoshi- said:
Sure cause you can't use Azelf in plox, because it had always issues to tech certain cards because you lack searching power to get your techs out. right :thumb:

And God Blast works against Plox like against every other deck.
If God Blast is enough to kill Plox, then it should be enough to kill anything else...
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Actually, you really don't need to use God Blast much against G&G. And lets not forget that you have a VERY good chance at donking them. lol
 
Yoshi- said:
Sure cause you can't use Azelf in plox, because it had always issues to tech certain cards because you lack searching power to get your techs out. right :thumb:
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Why tech Azelf against AMU if you can tech Mewtwo Lv.X as well?

Dusknoir is a much bigger threat, the promo heals 20 per turn and Azelf tech takes a bench slot away here. At least, Gardy can Psychic Lock around any Lumineon tricks.

Gengar is a tough matchup too, but I think smart players can defeat is since Plox doesn't need many trainers at the hand and has some ways to get rid of them.
 
Banette EX said:
Honestly who cares if Gardilade is playable,Im tired of seeing these threads about PLOX/GG,its getting really ridiculous now. Look at our card pool we are receiving from Legend Awakening and possible IFDS,would you even want to play Gardilade after seeing whats playable??
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I completely agree, expect for the fact that every one is dis-bhonoring thsi deck, which i could honestly care less about. But i am thinking of playing it, and learning more about it allways helps, plus if yuuo are negative zbout this thread, go to all the other ones that just say "GG Suck" or noob talk like that.

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ShadowGuard said:
Why tech Azelf against AMU if you can tech Mewtwo Lv.X as well?

Dusknoir is a much bigger threat, the promo heals 20 per turn and Azelf tech takes a bench slot away here. At least, Gardy can Psychic Lock around any Lumineon tricks.

Gengar is a tough matchup too, but I think smart players can defeat is since Plox doesn't need many trainers at the hand and has some ways to get rid of them.
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See now w are getting into the discussion about what techs we need.

This is where GG while not die.

GG with Kiss is the common example, but Kiss takes to much space, than theres Noir, and that works. We need to think of what the new meta game is going to be like.

This board should have rather been called the New Metagame, though alot of boards are about this, what do we need to do? As a whole, not just GG
 
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Without DRE and scramble it can still attack, but it will be a slow deck. Gardy is good because it can stop powers by T2, and gallade could kill anyone by T2. And when they kill them you will just have another one ready to take his place.

Now they will attack by T3(still pretty fast but lots of decks outspeed it) and when they kill him most probabbly you won't have anything to replace him.

We can't keep on playing the same deck every format. This is the best deck of this format. We don't need it anymore in the next format. We have to play new cards...different cards.
 
So spead is the main problem?

any ideas on speading this up? Or can any one post a good list of GG here for us to fiddle with ?
 
Red Haired Shanks said:
Toxicroak fun, Banette, and AMU are perfect pokemon against GG, So don't get your hopes up that GG will last the next format and on.

(Sorry Mods if I break a rule)
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QUIT TALKING ABOUT TOXICROAK, SHANKS.

No one, NO ONE, is paying Toxicroak, yet you said that you expect 15% of the LCQ will be Toxicroak.
What is your reasoning?!!

If Toxicroak and Banette are "perfect Pokemon" against GG, then why aren't they winning this season?
 
Originally posted by yoyofsho16
QUIT TALKING ABOUT TOXICROAK, SHANKS.

No one, NO ONE, is paying Toxicroak, yet you said that you expect 15% of the LCQ will be Toxicroak.
What is your reasoning?!!

If Toxicroak and Banette are "perfect Pokemon" against GG, then why aren't they winning this season?
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Because Empoleon,Magmortar,Infernape,etc.... scares Toxicroak and Banette. Players just focus on the famous pokemon, because people think they're cool looking and stuff. The effects of Toxi fun and Banette are amazing, just they rare appear. Since it's so good, I might use that for LCQ next season.
 
plox also will die because people hate it
plus
there's mesprit LA everybody, look to his power
 
How is that a reason? Every one Hates something at a time, does it mean it should die or not be played? You say Yes, i say no.

This deck, as seen by one of my most recent deck lists is playable.

The question is how to make it better, faster, and live longer.
 
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