I think I've said this before like 2 or 3 times as a response to other Eeveelution lists and stuff. The deck just falls short. Glaceon is a card that's good for disruption and damage spread, and it would probably fit more into an Empoleon or w/e list. Leafeon is great at energy accel which makes it ideal for cards like Blissey, or Ho-oh, etc to use. I really think you guys fail to realize that you only have 4 Eevee. 1 for Umbreon, 1 Espeon, which leaves you two attackers, 3 at the most. I honestly don't see the cohesion besides their unique basic form. Each of them is like totally different, they don't really share a common strategy other than trying to hit your opponent's weakness. And I'd lol if someone Omastar+Wager'd you, since it pretty much screws you over.
Why M&Ms (Eeveelutions) are going to become Archetypes - A TC-EE Production
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You can easily tech in Latilock to deal with Latilock, and since Eeveelutions is faster then GG, it shouldn't be that hard. Pachi>Phione if you choose to use Latilock or something like that, if you need a bench hitter then you can tech in 1-0-1 Empoleon(DP) or use the (MD) ver for a power hitter. Also, Dusknoir can also be teched in. If you use Omastar(PK), then you can't immeadieatly play Wager, and you can't use Omastar(MD)'s effect because Glaceon locks it up. There is an easy way around the things that you guys have mentioned.
~`Flygon`~
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Banette Sw + Eeveelutions = FUN
master of puppets
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Everyone who says that it falls short because of lack of attackers is right.
2-3 Glaceon or Leafeon will not cut it. You will need more than that to beat G&G or Magmortar, even if they arent popular anymore.
And the Omastar issue is quite a problem. If they Wager right after you may find it quite hard to re-set up.
With the Espeon, Umbreon, Claydol, Glaceon/Leafeon and 1 pokemon active, and maybe even a left over starter, Dusknoir could cause trouble.
Personaly, I think that "Eeveelutions" will do best when paired with another pokemon.
Mainly Leafeon Lv X, as its the only form of straight from the hand energy acceleration we have right now.
So, like Rocky500 said, it will probably find its home with other pokemon, rather than Eeveelutions, and will probably go much further than any of the other evolutions.
So it would prolly go on to be some form of Archetype, but only when played with some other attacker that needs energy accel, such as Ho-oh, Blissey, Electivire (points at sig...), or even just some kind of bulkier pokemon that takes a bunch of energy to use.
Leafeon could end up being like Claydol and having a 2-2 line thrown into random decks that need it.
2-3 Glaceon or Leafeon will not cut it. You will need more than that to beat G&G or Magmortar, even if they arent popular anymore.
And the Omastar issue is quite a problem. If they Wager right after you may find it quite hard to re-set up.
With the Espeon, Umbreon, Claydol, Glaceon/Leafeon and 1 pokemon active, and maybe even a left over starter, Dusknoir could cause trouble.
Personaly, I think that "Eeveelutions" will do best when paired with another pokemon.
Mainly Leafeon Lv X, as its the only form of straight from the hand energy acceleration we have right now.
So, like Rocky500 said, it will probably find its home with other pokemon, rather than Eeveelutions, and will probably go much further than any of the other evolutions.
So it would prolly go on to be some form of Archetype, but only when played with some other attacker that needs energy accel, such as Ho-oh, Blissey, Electivire (points at sig...), or even just some kind of bulkier pokemon that takes a bunch of energy to use.
Leafeon could end up being like Claydol and having a 2-2 line thrown into random decks that need it.
Have you tested this deck? Seriously, I'm using it now, and I've had no problems with too little attackers. I even use Umbreon as a last resort. I even want to add another TSD to add to my recovery, so I can get out Eevee from discard, Ceilio's for Glaceon, Premier Ball for Glaceon Lv.X. I am NOT forgetting I only have 4 Eevees. In an ideal world, I'd have more. But, nothing is perfect, so we'll have to work with what we've got. 4 Eevees is enough. You only want 3-4 Eeveelutions in play. I'm undefeated, but I've only battled at League and against my own G&G list. Dusknoir and Omastar are shut down by Glaceon Lv.X. Dusknoir tech handles Latilock very well. It's fast, I can set up 2 or 3 Eeveelutions by T3. People, the deck is good, it might not be the BDIF, but it will still be an Archetype, IMO.
Guys, what he said is right. Omastar can't wager in the same turn if ur using the PK ver and the MD one gets locked up by Glaceeon. Also, the lack of attackers is not a problem. 2 Glaceon X can spread and OKHO Mags, 2HKO and GG and if you want to, tech in an Empoleon for more atk power. Also, Dusknoir tech eats up Latilock and other things, so honestly I see no big deal with this.
ShadowTogetic
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Eeveelutions are difficult to use without S! TM. Backup for them is recommended, but at the moment, it's not easy to see who it works with.
ColdCoates90
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Its like you assume everything is going to go your way in a match. When you have to resort to attacking with Umbreon you've pretty much lost at that point. It took 3 turns to gather the necessary energy to attack with it ( don't give me leafeon as an excuse) to deal 50 + confusion. Thats not going to cut it mid-late game.
And now you're throwing Duskinoir into the mix as well? Ugh
I don't even see how you're testing this and using these "results" as an argument for your statements. These cards are not even out yet, we don't even know all the stuff thats going to be played out of this set OR if its even translated 100% right. Regardless, I'd be undefeated if all my opponent's were really bad. Not saying that any of your's necessarily are, but you cannot gauge a deck by being undefeated amongst your friends.
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...Come again?
"I'm concerned about my opponent playing Lati-lock. I'll put Lati-lock into my own deck, which uses tons of bodies!" :nonono:
Eevee-lutions on their own have NO solution to Lati-lock. Glaceon's mathematical average of 10 damage a turn to the bench means... Around seven turns of your opponent blocking power lock, free retreat, extra HP, no weakness... Leafeon versions with Sceptile take a hit too, having their attack power halved.
Heck, Kabutops throws a wrench in this deck's flow, as odd as it might seem. No Premier ball for starters. Always a KO on the Eevees, which is nice condiering how FAST Kabutops is. The ensured 30 damage turn one to Eevees is pretty cool, especially if the opponent's unable to draw into cards.
Omastar has a plenty good time against Eevee-lutions, Warp Pointing away Glaceon then playing Omastar MD. Even if you can evolve your pokemon back to stage 1 next turn, you can't level up for another turn. Double Rainbows are all discarded, as are Scramble.
Heck, Umbreon reliance might be one of those flaws that's REALLY easy to exploit with the right card.
Eeveelutions most certainly will see some play. The cards have too much crowd appeal to not see play. Now are they going to be effective? I'm going to predict that Eevee-lutions with Claydol (no secondary line) will NOT be as effective as other decks in the format.
Kenshin's Garde
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. . . your main attackers are lv x only, really . . . wellll, good luck getting all that out.
chriscobi634
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Glaceon Lv. X should be comboed with Espeon.
Leafeon Lv. X should be comboed with Umbreon/ Sceptile.
Glaceon doesn't have the energy acceleration Leafeon has. So it need to keep as many energies in play as it can. Espeon helps with this. Just this two have the weakness to Magmortar and G/G. So Lake Boundary is the stadium you would use.
Leafeon comboed with either Sceptile looks good on paper. Umbreon gives it free retreat so if you have Sceptile Pop 4 you power something else up in one turn. Say a teched Latios (GE) to OHKO most Pokemon. Saving you Leafeon from taking a big hit or even being KOed. Then there is the obvious combo of Leafeon/Sceptile (GE) and Crystal Beach.
But putting Leafeon and Glaceon in the same deck is over doing it.
Leafeon Lv. X should be comboed with Umbreon/ Sceptile.
Glaceon doesn't have the energy acceleration Leafeon has. So it need to keep as many energies in play as it can. Espeon helps with this. Just this two have the weakness to Magmortar and G/G. So Lake Boundary is the stadium you would use.
Leafeon comboed with either Sceptile looks good on paper. Umbreon gives it free retreat so if you have Sceptile Pop 4 you power something else up in one turn. Say a teched Latios (GE) to OHKO most Pokemon. Saving you Leafeon from taking a big hit or even being KOed. Then there is the obvious combo of Leafeon/Sceptile (GE) and Crystal Beach.
But putting Leafeon and Glaceon in the same deck is over doing it.
rofl you guys are going to make me cry so hard. I keep saying it in every eevee thread, and I always get ignored! Without Surprise, Eeveelutions can't work. It's TWO seperate decks, not ONE but TWO ideas. Have fun beating up theme decks though..
btw. april fools!11!!11! (thought i'd do that so the thread maker doesn't have to).
btw. april fools!11!!11! (thought i'd do that so the thread maker doesn't have to).
There's a fine line between fighting and debating, and honestly that line has yet to be broken.
Adding another stage 1 line to Eeveelutions is an idea, but what line? Tell me this, and then you might sway me.
Honestly, Blissey/Sceptile with Leafeon.
Swampert with Glaceon (tested, it does work), or some other form of energy accel.
They might soind like a good combo together, but in order for cards to combo, they have to work together.
Leafeon with Glaceon: Leafeon is pretty much designed to work with energy intensive pokemon, something of which Glaceon is not (it uses 3 energy and has no use for any more), so the additional energy you would like to attatch to get a big bang with Leafeon's attack doesn't really fit.
Glaceon with Leafeon: Better, since this takes care of Glaceon's need for energy, but putting in a stage 1 Lv X to do that seems a bit much. Glaceon is designed for locking and spread damage, something of which Leafeon does not do.
They slightly combo together, but there are much better choices for each of them than each other.
Swampert with Glaceon (tested, it does work), or some other form of energy accel.
They might soind like a good combo together, but in order for cards to combo, they have to work together.
Leafeon with Glaceon: Leafeon is pretty much designed to work with energy intensive pokemon, something of which Glaceon is not (it uses 3 energy and has no use for any more), so the additional energy you would like to attatch to get a big bang with Leafeon's attack doesn't really fit.
Glaceon with Leafeon: Better, since this takes care of Glaceon's need for energy, but putting in a stage 1 Lv X to do that seems a bit much. Glaceon is designed for locking and spread damage, something of which Leafeon does not do.
They slightly combo together, but there are much better choices for each of them than each other.
master of puppets
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Leafeon, through some testing, has proved to work pretty well with Electivire.
If i get a pachi start (happens often) I can set up 2 Buzz and a Catty by turn 2 or 3.
It still needs some fine tuning, but it works.
If i get a pachi start (happens often) I can set up 2 Buzz and a Catty by turn 2 or 3.
It still needs some fine tuning, but it works.
~`Flygon`~
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2-3-2-1-1 Kid/Buzzes d/Vire DP1/Vire SW/Vire X
2-2-2 Leafon X
3 Pachi
and catty???
thats just a guess of what your line would be,but Flygon would give u one less space and a possible G&G tech
2-2-2 Leafon X
3 Pachi
and catty???
thats just a guess of what your line would be,but Flygon would give u one less space and a possible G&G tech