Worst Worlds Ever!

[Mystery Thing]

Funny story: there was 128 Masters. Well, there was supposed to be. Somebody who said that they were coming never showed up (like, for the competitor check in nor the late check-in Saturday morning), so they had to be dropped, which knocked it back down to 127.

Perhaps you should figure out who that person was and let them know what happened because they no showed.

 

[LOLZ]

Sure, that sounds like a good idea. I think it's important to know that I'm not the only person frustrated with the lack of Top 32. In fact, I know for sure that I'm in the large majority. You could hear the grumbling among all Masters players after Top 16 was announced. The talk after Round 1 was about how silly it was to make the tournament Top 16. One player even joked that whoever made the decision to go Top 16 instead of Top 32 had "forgotten how to do math."

It doesn't matter who the TO is. It could be Dave Schwimmer, it could be a novice TO doing his/her first big tournament. Not overriding to Top 32 when there's almost 128 Masters means that a lot of 5-2s will miss cut at Worlds. That's a terrible situation in the main event of the year.

I applaud TOs when they make good decisions, but I'm not going to stay silent when a TO makes a questionable one, regardless of name and reputation.

Why is it that so many people confuse www.pokegym.net with www.support.pokemon.com.

Submit your complaints, concerns, ideas, comments and opinions to www.support.pokemon.com, posting them here does not guarantee that P!P brass will read it.

 

[psychup2034]

Why is it that so many people confuse www.pokegym.net with www.support.pokemon.com.

Submit your complaints, concerns, ideas, comments and opinions to www.support.pokemon.com, posting them here does not guarantee that P!P brass will read it.

Why is it that you don't understand the difference between discussing a complaint/concern/idea/comment on the Pokegym and submitting a complaint/concern/idea/comment to Pokemon support?

And what's preventing me from doing both? Why do you seem to think that these two actions should be mutually exclusive? (They shouldn't be.)

 

[Redados1]

no, he already is better than probably most posting here, and nothing will change next year ... we still can't take him to multiple battle roads and marathons to get enough cheap points to get an invite ... you must be one of those who are benefiting from this broken system and obviously don't want it to improve ... and don't worry, if nothing changes, my child decided to not play until it is fixed ...

No, actually Bullados is one of the ones helping the game. He has helped to maintain a good pokemon community in my area for the past few years and I wouldn't be where I am today wihtout him.

Oh god why am I feeding the troll

 

[LOLZ]

Why is it that you don't understand the difference between discussing a complaint/concern/idea/comment on the Pokegym and submitting a complaint/concern/idea/comment to Pokemon support?

And what's preventing me from doing both? Why do you seem to think that these two actions should be mutually exclusive? (They shouldn't be.)

Why is it that you don't understand that discussing a complaint/concern/idea/comment does not solve anything. A discussion will not solve anything, the only thing that could come of it is to convince your fellow player/fellow poster to see your point of view. There could be a mutual/majority consensus amongst the players of a thread, but it is not your fellow players you need to convince, it is the individuals who run this game, the P!P brass.

Comments about any particular tournament or the P!P program should be submitted through the Support Center. Yes P!P Brass do silently read and very rarely replies to posts on here and other sites. This thread is currently 120+ posts long. Multiply that by that amount of active Sour Grapes threads here on Pokegym. Then multiply that by the amount of message forums out there (Gym, HT, Beach, etc) and you have 1000s of post regarding so many issues surrounding the game. Granted not all of these posts are negative, some are positive, some argues the points of the negatives and some are just off current topic/spam. Do you really think P!P Brass has time to read 1000s of posts discussions on many different issues? do you really think this, a bunch of players just joining the current bandwagon protest really helps? do you really think publicly posting your complaints portrays a positive image for you and the game?

Perhaps if you spent less time complaining, moaning, groaning and sharing your unhappiness with the Pokémon community and refocus that energy into commenting more time to preparing yourself and your decks for tournaments, you may find yourself in a situation where you are actually winning and not missing and invite or wiffing top cut.

This is for anyone who makes/suggests: unintelligent, unpractical, illogical, or unthought-out posts/ideas, collect your thoughts and ideas, write your opinion and re-read it. Play devils advocate, does your opinion make sense? are your ideas logically and logistically practical? how will other side, counter your opinion? can you acknowledge the other sides points and see their point of view? Can you do this when formulating and opinion or argument?

This is called constructive criticism, out of respect to P!P, show them that you are serious and guarantee that your opinion is heard; Submit a well written ticket to P!P speaking your mind.

 

[psychup2034]

Why is it that you don't understand that discussing a complaint/concern/idea/comment does not solve anything. A discussion will not solve anything, the only thing that could come of it is to convince your fellow player/fellow poster to see your point of view. There could be a mutual/majority consensus amongst the players of a thread, but it is not your fellow players you need to convince, it is the individuals who run this game, the P!P brass.

Comments about any particular tournament or the P!P program should be submitted through the Support Center.

As it already has. Thanks for stating the obvious.

Perhaps if you spent less time complaining, moaning, groaning and sharing your unhappiness with the Pokémon community and refocus that energy into commenting more time to preparing yourself and your decks for tournaments, you may find yourself in a situation where you are actually winning and not missing and invite or wiffing top cut.

I’ve never missed an STS or Worlds invite in any season that I’ve played competitively. Additionally, I have an over 50% cut rate at U.S. Nationals and Worlds, 100% cut rate at Gym Challenges/Regionals, and I’ve only ever missed 1 cut at States.

I’m often in a situation where I’m actually winning (77% win rate this season), and of course, I wouldn’t know what you mean by “missing an invite.”

This is for anyone who makes/suggests: unintelligent, unpractical, illogical, or unthought-out posts/ideas, collect your thoughts and ideas, write your opinion and re-read it. Play devils advocate, does your opinion make sense? are your ideas logically and logistically practical? how will other side, counter your opinion? can you acknowledge the other sides points and see their point of view? Can you do this when formulating and opinion or argument?

If you think that suggesting a Top 32 cut when there are 127 players (most 5-2s miss) is “unintelligent,” “impractical,” or “illogical,” then I think it’s clear that you’re not familiar with the concerns of players. In other worlds, you're a little out of touch.

I think you could take a bit of your own advice. Next time you decide to make a counterargument, make sure what you’re posting doesn’t make you seem unintelligent or illogical. Ask any of the Florida Masters that you know who qualified for Worlds this year. “Before round 1, would you rather have had Top 32 at Worlds this year, or Top 16?” None of them would say Top 16. Absolutely none. (If you manage to find such a player, have them PM me, or PM me yourself.)

Wanting Top 32 at Worlds when there are 120+ players has to be one of the most agreed-upon issues among players. I find it strange that you chose this topic to argue about, while there are many other far more controversial topics where there is actually reasonable dissent. Maybe it's a lack of judgment?

Then think about how asinine you sound when you’re arguing against someone who’s arguing for Top 32 when there are 127 players. Think, then post.

 

[Mystery Thing]

I think you could take a bit of your own advice. Next time you decide to make a counterargument, make sure what you’re posting doesn’t make you seem unintelligent or illogical. Ask any of the Florida Masters that you know who qualified for Worlds this year. “Before round 1, would you rather have had Top 32 at Worlds this year, or Top 16?” None of them would say Top 16. Absolutely none. (If you manage to find such a player, have them PM me, or PM me yourself.)

And ask the question again when the 7-0 is dropped by a 4-3 in the T32.

I have no problems with it only being a T16. Now, would I be in support of them moving off of the power of 2 cuts so that (for this many players) all of the X-2s make it? Yeah, probably. It's not exactly a secret that Opponent's Win % is a lousy tiebreaker, there's just not really anything better.


Anywho, it's all perspective. Yeah, "only a Top 16 for 127 players" sounds crappy. But when you phrase it as "3 players who were barely better than 0.500 make it into the cut," it's a drastically different statement IMO.

 

[psychup2034]

And ask the question again when the 7-0 is dropped by a 4-3 in the T32.

I have no problems with it only being a T16. Now, would I be in support of them moving off of the power of 2 cuts so that (for this many players) all of the X-2s make it? Yeah, probably. It's not exactly a secret that Opponent's Win % is a lousy tiebreaker, there's just not really anything better.

Anywho, it's all perspective. Yeah, "only a Top 16 for 127 players" sounds crappy. But when you phrase it as "3 players who were barely better than 0.500 make it into the cut," it's a drastically different statement IMO.

What's wrong with Drew's proposal, which eliminates BOTH the potential problems you mention, and takes exactly the same amount of time as a T32?

The solution to having 5-2 not whiff at Worlds is simple, have an uneven cut. I suggested this to Dave a while ago, and he said he liked it, but wasn't sure if he could actually implement it, despite the fact that he thought it was a great idea. It would mean that some players would get a bye. If you have 29 players that get into top cut, you would then have the first 3 seeds get byes and then have the remaining 26 players play as if it was a T32 cut. It's unfair still, but at least everyone with a deserving record makes cut, and everyone who doesn't, misses. They players who get the byes are going to be 6-1 or better, so it's not like they don't deserve it or anything. However prizes would still go down to 32nd. I still believe that this is not only the BEST solution, but one that most players would get behind, and be in total favor of.

Drew

 

[Alex(charm)ander]

I told you the best players were not at worlds. Masters was lost on a misplay. He had a chance to win the mewtwo war and lost because he did not take out mewtwo with darkrai. Seniors and juniors were no different. Most of those players there did nothing in major tournaments. They got there playing a zillion battle roads and cities which gave more points then they should have. If pokemon does not lower the points from battle roads and cities and make states regionals and nationals more important in getting an invite and stop putting worlds in places only the rich can afford to go, then this will continue.

And Jay should have been given the trophy as those guys who played the finals used his deck. Most players there used his deck.

Someone has to lose, how would you like them to do so? When two players of that caliber duke it out in best 2/3 the game is going to be decided either by a misplay (and it only takes one as you saw) or by bad luck. Of course Worlds was decided by a misplay, that's how the game works.

Don't make assumptions about seniors and juniors either. I watched Colter (second place senior) work incredibly hard all year and play some very difficult players to get where he did and he DESERVES it. He didn't just spam Battle Roads and rack up points playing kids who can't read, he practiced and did well all around. Ian W. from Washington is another example. That kid works hard and keeps up such a great attitude and he earns every win he gets. I'm proud of both of these kids for their dedication, don't ever marginalize the children that play this game, it's disappointing.

 

[Politoed666]

support.pokemon.com is not especially helpful IMO.

If you submit a complaint or whatever, TMK you'll get something along the lines of "Thanks for your input! We'll take it under consideration. We hope you continue to play and enjoy the Pokémon Trading Card Game."

 

[bullados]

support.pokemon.com is not especially helpful IMO.

If you submit a complaint or whatever, TMK you'll get something along the lines of "Thanks for your input! We'll take it under consideration. We hope you continue to play and enjoy the Pokémon Trading Card Game."

Always get back to me in 2-3 days. Dunno what's wrong with you...

:thumb::biggrin:

 

[LOLZ]

As it already has. Thanks for stating the obvious.



I’ve never missed an STS or Worlds invite in any season that I’ve played competitively. Additionally, I have an over 50% cut rate at U.S. Nationals and Worlds, 100% cut rate at Gym Challenges/Regionals, and I’ve only ever missed 1 cut at States.

I’m often in a situation where I’m actually winning (77% win rate this season), and of course, I wouldn’t know what you mean by “missing an invite.”



If you think that suggesting a Top 32 cut when there are 127 players (most 5-2s miss) is “unintelligent,” “impractical,” or “illogical,” then I think it’s clear that you’re not familiar with the concerns of players. In other worlds, you're a little out of touch.

I think you could take a bit of your own advice. Next time you decide to make a counterargument, make sure what you’re posting doesn’t make you seem unintelligent or illogical. Ask any of the Florida Masters that you know who qualified for Worlds this year. “Before round 1, would you rather have had Top 32 at Worlds this year, or Top 16?” None of them would say Top 16. Absolutely none. (If you manage to find such a player, have them PM me, or PM me yourself.)

Wanting Top 32 at Worlds when there are 120+ players has to be one of the most agreed-upon issues among players. I find it strange that you chose this topic to argue about, while there are many other far more controversial topics where there is actually reasonable dissent. Maybe it's a lack of judgment?

Then think about how asinine you sound when you’re arguing against someone who’s arguing for Top 32 when there are 127 players. Think, then post.

Everything after the first sentence of my previous post was a general analysis about the posting habits of average individuals in regards to the “issue of the week”. I apologize if this wasn’t clear or you personally took offence to this.

Lets be honest, there is always a hot topic/”issue of the week” that grabs the attention of the players. This week it is this thread, in the coming weeks attention will shift from this thread to the Championship Point Breakdown when it is announced. These type of threads do nothing but rally up the community to complain about the game.

If you noticed not at one point did I agree or disagree with the T32/T16 issue. If you search previous posts of mine you will find that I tend only to publicly disagree with the really “unintelligent,” “impractical,” or “illogical” thoughts/ideas and tell posters why I think they are wrong or why their suggestion is not viable. You will notice that there is a chunk of the “issue of the week” threads I maintain a neutral stance on and issue or I just decide not to post because I have nothing more to contribute because everything that has been said, I agree with what has been said or think that there is some merit behind the post. With regards to the T32/T16 I understand where the players are coming from and their thoughts and have some merit, but I am a judge not a player, this is not my battle/war, I’m staying out of it because I have nothing new to contribute to the conversation.

No matter the issue or my opinion on it, what I disagree with is multipage rant threads such has this one which doesn’t solve anything. If you have a problem with a tournament address it with the TO at the tournament. If you are unable to get the ear of the TO due to the size/prestige of the tournament (nats/worlds) just submit your thoughts on a tournament…. www.support.pokemon.com.

 

[Politoed666]

And ask the question again when the 7-0 is dropped by a 4-3 in the T32.

I have no problems with it only being a T16. Now, would I be in support of them moving off of the power of 2 cuts so that (for this many players) all of the X-2s make it? Yeah, probably. It's not exactly a secret that Opponent's Win % is a lousy tiebreaker, there's just not really anything better.


Anywho, it's all perspective. Yeah, "only a Top 16 for 127 players" sounds crappy. But when you phrase it as "3 players who were barely better than 0.500 make it into the cut," it's a drastically different statement IMO.

If I were 7-0, I would much rather play against a 4-3 than a 5-2. I think most people would.

And maybe this is just me, but I don't think "three out of the thirty-two players in cut had a record barely better than 0.500" is frustrating or aggravating at all. 3/32 isn't much at all, and it's certainly worth it to have all the 5-2s make it. Would you rather have "three people made cut who had mediocre records" or "fifteen people missed cut who had great records?"

But yeah, Drew's suggestion is great IMO.

 

[Excalibar]

You know, I read the first page of this thread, and just skimmed the last; and the only thing I find genuinely amazing is that after years of threads like this popping up, people still bother responding to them. That may sound harsh, but it is true. Ignore the trolls, because they are going to be around the corner every day of your life. If anything, pity them. All they see is the ugly side of things. And lets face it, that's not a trait worth envying.

 

[PidgeyCornerFTW]

You know, I read the first page of this thread, and just skimmed the last; and the only thing I find genuinely amazing is that after years of threads like this popping up, people still bother responding to them. That may sound harsh, but it is true. Ignore the trolls, because they are going to be around the corner every day of your life. If anything, pity them. All they see is the ugly side of things. And lets face it, that's not a trait worth envying.

Except that OP here isn't a troll, unfortunately. Someone's just extremely butthurt that 1) their favourite player didn't win, 2) their child apparently didn't qualify for worlds, 3) Worlds was held in Hawaii instead of their backyard.

 

[NoPoke]

Though I think this has to be a troll thread, I'm curious about players' views on misplays determining the win. Surely that is exactly what you want from a game of skill: the player who avoids the critical misplay wins?

 

[Rainbowgym]

I think each Nationals/Worlds having a 7 rounds tournament should let all 5-2 records into a "fixed" top cut.
If they can do the LCQ that way why not any important other tournament like Nationals/Worlds?

 

[leeroyjenkins]

You know I don't mind the actual tournament, i've never gotten an invite, and never made it through an lcq but I've enjoyed every worlds i've attended.

The only thing that irritated me every year is the retail line. It is so out of control, cut throat, and just mass chaos. they need staff and volunteers with retail and customer service experience/management as a requirement and need to have a plan for their lines, and not just show up and tell a wholeline of people to leave because the line isn't going to be in the same spot after opening ceremonies and just say "my bad, sucks for y'all" yourPokemon for crying out loud get your act together.

Also get line control in order. After 4 hours in line and getting to the front of the line behind a couple Japanese people and then their entire 6 extra family members cut and join them like no big deal and the volunteer just shrugs like no big deal, this happened the entire time in line and just irritates everyone. Apparently this happened even during competitor and staff early entry.

Seriously just donate a few staff or volunteers to monitor the line, our hell just even give out some sort of ticketing system to prevent this.

I'll even give my time to deal with this issue.

 

[Crawdaunt]

Chase (Seniors World Champ) won the BC Regionals, and took top 3 at Canadian Nationals.

/butthurt OP

 

[Mystery Thing]

If I were 7-0, I would much rather play against a 4-3 than a 5-2. I think most people would.

I don't disagree. But if that 4-3 just happens to have a deck that's an autoloss for the 7-0 (or even if it's a good tight game which the 4-3 just happens to win), the sour grapes would be HUGE.

But yeah, Drew's suggestion is great IMO.

Yeah, I like the idea of removing tiebreaks entirely also.