Donk decks after RR

[GrassMaster]

What you think will happen to them?
IMO they won't change, but i want to know about what you think.

[yoyofsho16]

Ineffective as of RR.

Machamp just can't deal with some of the new cards, and a lot more viable non-SP decks will be popular.
Kingdra is just pretty bad as-is, and destroyed by Vibrava RR's broken attack.
Sableye will also see less donk as ghost types are less and less popular.

A deck reliant on donks just won't see it for much longer.

[Godzfirefly]

I'm not sure Machamp will see the decline you indicate. Machamp just got quite a bit of draw power in the form of Volkner's Philosophy. Aaron's Collection can be great for getting quick energy into your hand for setting up Rage. Dialga G's Deafen should be made less effective by other decks, giving Rare Candy back to Machamp. Beedrill is almost sure to see play and its BTS will almost always help Machamp as much as anything else. And even Stage 2 decks like Flygon and Beedrill still rely on the Basics early on, allowing those crucial early prizes that Machamp relies on to ride through matches.

Heck, with the possibility of being paired with Flygon or Hippowdon, Machamp may be stronger than ever, getting an even more powerful late-game.

[Suicide]

this is what will happen.

until worlds donk decks will be of average strength.
after worlds Machamp will be tier 1 because of the simple fact that there is no unown g protection

[vegitalian]

Beedrill donks will be on the increase, though.

[Kalskini]

Ineffective as of RR.

Machamp just can't deal with some of the new cards, and a lot more viable non-SP decks will be popular.
Kingdra is just pretty bad as-is, and destroyed by Vibrava RR's broken attack.
Sableye will also see less donk as ghost types are less and less popular.

A deck reliant on donks just won't see it for much longer.

Your joking about kingdra right?
I mean an elite player doesn't play more than 8 energies nor discard that many since we play that little
If they kill us with vibrava thanks for shuffling in my energies
I'll just kill you and umm remove an evolution for your flygon

Innafective is a pretty bold statement chap
Better rethink it.
Kingdra is still one of bdif even after rr
More so because dialga will become less popular.

[baby mario]

I don't see anything in the new set that stops Machamp donk decks.

They work by getting cheap quick KO's on Basics.

The only thing that would make that less effective is more cards with built-in protection like Toxicroak G.

There might be cards in the new set that make things tough for Machamp mid-to-late game, but then donk Machamp never cared about that in the first place. It has always been a sub-par card in those situations.

[Deoxys Cool Form]

Macheap is still around, but I doub't Kingdra will be AS popular as it is now.

[Regis_Neo]

Donk decks will always be around, at least until Machamp is either rotated or some other Pokemon/Trainer/w/e is released that completely defeats him. Unown G is the best protection against him, but it only goes so far...

And outside of Machamp, many other decks can donk. Kingdra, Rampardos (lol), etc...

[nnaann]

this is what will happen.

until worlds donk decks will be of average strength.
after worlds Machamp will be tier 1 because of the simple fact that there is no unown g protection

I don't think Unown G will be rotated out, or if it is they will release a counter for SP decks.

Pokemon is a business and will want to sell as many boosters as possible. Why would they base a set on all these SP cards that will be rendered useless because of Machamp?

[FlareonEX]

Donk decks don't leave the format :P but I think Upper is a good counter against donk :D

[Godzfirefly]

FlareonEX hit the nail on the head there. Upper Energy (as well as all those Call for Family Pokemon people run) make those early prize gains that are crucial to Machamp and Kingdra very expensive.

As far as Sableye...well, it never attacks unless it's likely to be a true donk (or it's able to KO the main player when the rest of the deck has a type-disadvantage.) Sableye will probably still be used, it's nice to be able to get around various trainer locks at the least. But, I don't see it as more or less viable attack-wise.

[ShadowGuard]

I think Machamp will stay one of the best decks, with even more Galactic Pokémon and some of them with fighting weakness. There's one thing that can cause trouble for Machamp, and that's Upper Energy.

Rampardos never was a good deck. It will stay as it is, but it goes through Flygon's kickgym attack and hits Luxray for weakness.

Kingdra... it already has so many bad matchups, but it survived until now because it's the most consistant speed deck in format. With Rising Rivals, it will finally be gone for competitive play. Not because of stuff like Vibrava - any good Kingdra laughs about it. It's the little Turtwig which beats any Kingdra all alone. There's nothing, absolute nothing, a current Kingdra list can do against it, except for a suprising Machamp when the Turtwig player doesn't attach Unown G. Skuntank tech to poison it? Turtwig lol's, it's an SP-Pokémon. Even Dialga G Lv.X tech is not an option because it doesn't block Turtwig's body. They can Warp Point around it for 2 or 3 times, but this won't help. Most Kingdras don't have 11 Water Energy, and even if they have, it takes a lot of effort to take this single basic Pokémon out. Turtwig can be easily teched into any SP deck, other decks need grass energy for it, but it makes every deck have autowin against Kingdra.