Lugia LEGEND

[burnpsy]

I've been out of the game for a season or so, so I'm trying to get back in and want opinions on my deck idea.

Pokemon (15)

2/2 Lugia LEGEND
2 Dialga [PT (#5)]
2 Jirachi [RR]
2 Uxie [LA]
1-1 Delcatty [PT]
1-1 Luxray GL LV.X
1 Azelf [LA]

Item (30)

1 Luxury Ball
2 Night Maintenance
4 Pokedex Handy910is
4 PokeDrawer+
4 Super Scoop-Up
2 Switch
1 VS Seeker

4 Bebe’s Search
2 Cynthia’s Feelings
1 Marley's Request
1 Palmer's Contribution
4 Roseanne’s Research

Energy (15)

3 Rainbow Energy
4 :fire: Energy
4 :lightning Energy
4 :water: Energy

Strategy: Simple enough, and should explain itself. Quickly run through the whole deck, collecting parts to Lugia LEGEND, then play it, get a powerful attack in, Super Scoop-Up, rinse and repeat.

For those unfarmiliar with Lugia LEGEND:

Lugia LEGEND – Water – HP130
Legend

Legend Rule: Play 2 Lugia LEGEND cards at the same time from your hand onto your Bench.

Poke-Power: Ocean Glow
You can use this power once during your turn, when this card comes into play. Look at the top 5 cards from your deck, and attach every Energy you find to this Pokemon. Discard the remaining cards.

[R][W][L] Elemental Blast: 200 damage. Discard 1 Fire Energy, 1 Water Energy, and 1 Lightning Energy attached to this Pokemon.

Weakness: Lightning (x2)
Resistance: Fighting (-20)
Retreat: 1

[Gengar]

can we make a rule where people can only make decks with cards that are currently legal..

[burnpsy]

If you checked, there is a rule that suggests the opposite.

Translations: If you use an unreleased card, your must paste the translation for it into to your topic, or it will be locked.

[Blaziken 1111]

Actually looks like a really good idea. Few changes would be 2 luxuary ball over poke ball, palmer over night maintenance, just 1 rayquaza, I'd add a forth SSU, I'd take out the claydol for 2 more felicities, and you need some switchs for a dialga or rayquaza start. If you can find room which I doubt I'd add like a 1-1 luxray x line so you can bring up their main attacker and then blast it.

[legotack]

You shouldn't make this deck until all of the HGSS cards are released. We also don't know the new rules, so you might be able to use 4/4 Lugia LEGEND. The deck also isn't that consistent, I suggest using G8R HGSS. Also play 3-4 NM, as this deck needs it. I was new when BLS was big, so how did it stay consistent. I know that Blastoise ex helped attach. I also know that Holon's Magneton and DRE were important. Is there any way we can sort of bring back BLS.

[MidnyteXTC]

I don't see what the Rayquaza accomplishes other then become a backup attacker

Try Multi/Rainbows? It doesn't seem like Lugia's power basic requires basic energies only

-1 Lightning
-1 Water
-1 Fire
-2 Felicity's Drawing
-1 VS Seeker

+3 Rainbow
+1 Rosenanne's Research
+1 Super Scoop Up
+1 Marley's Request(Drawer or SSU?)

[burnpsy]

Actually looks like a really good idea. Few changes would be 2 luxuary ball over poke ball, palmer over night maintenance, just 1 rayquaza, I'd add a forth SSU, I'd take out the claydol for 2 more felicities, and you need some switchs for a dialga or rayquaza start. If you can find room which I doubt I'd add like a 1-1 luxray x line so you can bring up their main attacker and then blast it.

I implemented all of these, barring Felicity's, thank you.

You shouldn't make this deck until all of the HGSS cards are released. We also don't know the new rules, so you might be able to use 4/4 Lugia LEGEND. The deck also isn't that consistent, I suggest using G8R HGSS. Also play 3-4 NM, as this deck needs it. I was new when BLS was big, so how did it stay consistent. I know that Blastoise ex helped attach. I also know that Holon's Magneton and DRE were important. Is there any way we can sort of bring back BLS.

I had to look up BLS to get a general idea of what you were talking about... I don't see how it's relevant...

Also, I'm trying to get a jump on things, if the rule allows more then I add more. That said, the fact that each half of Lugia LEGEND has the name on it, one could easily guess that t only allows 2 of each piece.

Inconsistency in the deck... doesn't that give a reason to not add a Stage 2 and slow it down further? Also, I'm fairly sure that it only allows you to get water quickly attached... Would be rather nice if Ho-Oh legend were eligible for it.

As for the Night Maintenance... I agree, but what could I possibly remove? I guess the second Luxury and the Rayquaza, but I'll probably need more than that.

I don't see what the Rayquaza accomplishes other then become a backup attacker

Try Multi/Rainbows? It doesn't seem like Lugia's power basic requires basic energies only

-1 Lightning
-1 Water
-1 Fire
-2 Felicity's Drawing
-1 VS Seeker

+3 Rainbow
+1 Rosenanne's Research
+1 Super Scoop Up
+1 Marley's Request(Drawer or SSU?)

This is actually a very smart idea... I forgot completely about the Rainbow Energy reprint.

As for Rayquaza... I don't remember why I thought it was a good idea anymore. xD

I will edit the first post in a bit.

[legotack]

^BLS is relevant because Lugia LEGEND is basically a reprint of Lugia ex, and Feraligatr HGSS is almost the same as Blastoise ex (better in this situation).

[Shino Bug Master]

^No Holons Magneton, No LBS.

Anyway, this deck just doesn't feel liek it'll be that good. as of now, luxray lv.x just OHKo's Lugia, who takes 2 Pokemon to be playable. I'd wait for more information on it/other HGSS cards that may combo with it.

[burnpsy]

Anyway, this deck just doesn't feel liek it'll be that good. as of now, luxray lv.x just OHKo's Lugia, who takes 2 Pokemon to be playable. I'd wait for more information on it/other HGSS cards that may combo with it.

While Luxray OHKOs, isn't it possible for me to just obliterate Luxray just as well? Unless they can set it all up in one turn...

Besides, the enemy needs PlusPower or something to be able to OHKO?

[TheGeneral]

While Luxray OHKOs, isn't it possible for me to just obliterate Luxray just as well? Unless they can set it all up in one turn...

Besides, the enemy needs PlusPower or something to be able to OHKO?

Trash Bolt FTW.
:thumb:

[burnpsy]

Trash Bolt FTW.
:thumb:

In that case, would it be even easier to KO it before it can hit me?

[Gengar]

If you checked, there is a rule that suggests the opposite.

I just think this is completely stupid because we don't even have rulings on these cards yet, yet you're trying to make a deck out of it. It's like basing a deck around a new special condition when we have no idea what it does.

[burnpsy]

I just think this is completely stupid because we don't even have rulings on these cards yet, yet you're trying to make a deck out of it. It's like basing a deck around a new special condition when we have no idea what it does.

Actually, both of those situations cannot be compared to eachother, really.

In this case, we have the entirety of what the card does, and any rulings are supplementary. There are only 2 things that can be significantly (and I'm using that term loosely) affected by rulings here:


Whether Rainbow Energy can work or not, although common sense says yes.
Whether or not one can use 4 of each half... Because the halves both have the same name, the answer is no unless they say otherwise.


Unless they completely change the whole card.

Whether or not they need rulings on the card requires for someone, even professional testers, to use the card first. As I explained, barely anything will change. Even if I'm allowed 4 of each, there's a point where doing so is sacrificing consistency.

Meanwhile, your example of a special condition that has no known information... In that case, the closest thing here would be a card with stuff covered up, like those new promos that have their second attacks covered as a "surprise".

[Gengar]

Actually, both of those situations cannot be compared to eachother, really.

In this case, we have the entirety of what the card does, and any rulings are supplementary. There are only 2 things that can be significantly (and I'm using that term loosely) affected by rulings here:


Whether Rainbow Energy can work or not, although common sense says yes.
Whether or not one can use 4 of each half... Because the halves both have the same name, the answer is no unless they say otherwise.


Unless they completely change the whole card.

Whether or not they need rulings on the card requires for someone, even professional testers, to use the card first. As I explained, barely anything will change. Even if I'm allowed 4 of each, there's a point where doing so is sacrificing consistency.

Meanwhile, your example of a special condition that has no known information... In that case, the closest thing here would be a card with stuff covered up, like those new promos that have their second attacks covered as a "surprise".


2 bench spaces possibly? Are they considered basics? Are they even considered pokemon? Those are all HUGE questions

[burnpsy]

I guess I overlooked those...

I understand your point, but this can at least give me good ideas of how to run it if they decide to slaughter the LEGEND cards.

[Hutchistack]

2 bench spaces possibly? Are they considered basics? Are they even considered pokemon? Those are all HUGE questions

They're considered Poke'mon. They're also considered basic Poke'mon (it says so on the upper left of Lugia's pic). I know that thanks to the Legend Rule you have to play down both halves at the same time, but I don't know if it takes up 2 bench spaces when you do so.

EDIT: After reviewing the pic again, not considered basic. It's a different symbol, probably just says Legend Poke'mon though. =/ So no broken Rosey's all the way til next rotation. Bebe's still works though fersure.

[Dragon100]

dude

y not u try
Rayquaza c/vire fb n lugia Legend

its an epic deck

[burnpsy]

^Explain why I'd use them here. too lazy to look 'em up this late.

They're considered Poke'mon. They're also considered basic Poke'mon (it says so on the upper left of Lugia's pic). I know that thanks to the Legend Rule you have to play down both halves at the same time, but I don't know if it takes up 2 bench spaces when you do so.

For the basic thing... I think he meant if the halves were basics. If they are, Roseannes can search out both pieces, and it instantly becomes very easy to use.

[Hutchistack]

Nah, they're not. Compared the symbols again, didn't match up. So unless something else comes out in L1 that can search out Legends, we're stuck with only Bebe-ing for whatever half we don't have in-hand.

And halves are still Poke'mon. You just can't put one in play without the other.

And be prepared for them to limit both halves to 1 of each...

[burnpsy]

And be prepared for them to limit both halves to 1 of each...

You're the same guy who said that on PokeBeach, correct?

My answer's the same as it was there. Where in the Legend rule is that suggested? Do you have some sort of source confirming your claim?

[Gengar]

Yeah I don't mean to be a jerk, it's just a lot of people come in here to see other peoples' ideas for BRs etc. and then we see all these Expert Belt decks and HGSS decks its like RAWRRRR

ps i wonder if machamp can take out a legend pokemon ;o

[burnpsy]

Yeah I don't mean to be a jerk, it's just a lot of people come in here to see other peoples' ideas for BRs etc. and then we see all these Expert Belt decks and HGSS decks its like RAWRRRR

ps i wonder if machamp can take out a legend pokemon ;o

Well, people stealing ideas for BRs aren't exactly MY problem... especially since I'm stuck with my terrible deck until after I earn some cash.

Machamp VS Legend? Well, Huchistack said that the symbol on the cards are different from basics, but we'll have to wait on the answer for that is seems. >.<

[ProfessorJacob7]

well after this set, "basic" pokemon might not be the only form of un-evolved pokemon

[Hutchistack]

Lugia and Ho-Oh are very unique cards to this game, and the symbols on the card suggest that too. It doesn't match any other in the game right now.

And Machamp pwns it, if I'm not mistaken.

The Legend Rule states that you must play two Lugia/Ho-Oh Legend on your bench at the same time, not one of each half. This suggests that you may only use one of each half.

Also suggested by the broken-ness of these cards. Ho-Oh, for example, puts base set Charizard to shame, only having to discard ONE energy, not all.

[burnpsy]

Inconclusive. Seriously, you have no proof to support it aside from speculation. Also, your claim is based on the wording of an unofficial translation. No.

[Hutchistack]

Seriously, this thread should be considered spam, as should any involving "Great" Poke'mon. No one outside of RnD knows how this stuff works, so this deck building is based on YOUR speculation, which in all actuality is probably WRONG. You're basing it on rules in the DP block, which will be retired for new rules in the Legend block.

We've seen limiting on good/strong cards before. See Delta Species and Shiny Poke'mon... It's not anywhere odd to suggest that by the Legend Rule (even when translated directly from JP, says nothing about halves) that there will only be one of each half allowed.

And really, this deck won't even be playable until the next rotation.

[burnpsy]

Seriously, this thread should be considered spam, as should any involving "Great" Poke'mon. No one outside of RnD knows how this stuff works, so this deck building is based on YOUR speculation, which in all actuality is probably WRONG. You're basing it on rules in the DP block, which will be retired for new rules in the Legend block.

We've seen limiting on good/strong cards before. See Delta Species and Shiny Poke'mon... It's not anywhere odd to suggest that by the Legend Rule (even when translated directly from JP, says nothing about halves) that there will only be one of each half allowed.

And really, this deck won't even be playable until the next rotation.

@First Paragraph: Your speculation is more far-fetched, and I haven't ade any outrageous claims. Also, the forum rules allow for cards that have yet to be released. If you have a problem with that, stop posting on this thread, it's not your place to determine what is and is not spam.

@Second Paragraph: My suggestions have not been odd either. Also, you're thinking because it doesn't explicitly say something, it can't work that way? There's something called common sense, use it.

@ Third Paragraph: You're actually incorrect. This will be playable for a short while before the rotation, based on pattern with the release date. Even so, since the Japanese version comes out on my birthday, and the NA branch of Pokemon has been speeding things up in order to get HGSS here quicker, this set should be here before summer starts again (due to their marketing strategy).

If you have a problem with this deck, it's your problem.