Playing Feraligatr WILL NOT result in delicious cake

[prodigal_fanboy]

Originally Posted by prodigal_fanboy View Post
I will post a video of myself attempting to eat a sock if Feraligatr takes 1st place in any Master's Division State Championship (in the US), autograph the sock, and mail it to you.

Does anyone have the audacity to try and prove me wrong? Discuss.

Aside from a few SP's who really can't stand some of the changes the next few sets make (Say hi to Feraligatr, he might not be the best card around but he doesn't care much about SP's thanks to its Grass weakness)

Now I'm going to have to go to all of the trouble of convincing everyone in Masters to use Feraligatr at my States. Thank you for all the inconvenience.

Just because I'm friendly like that, I'll let you use ketchup to at least make the taste a bit more bareable.

Seriously though, States this year are harder to predict then ever before. Think of it this way though, Gatr's power can be used with many a different Pokemon that might be underrated right now, or is just generally not-so-good. Who knows what random people come up with?
I'm not running Gatr myself btw, not my style of deck so don't think I'm promoting it or anything. But the point I originally tried to make is that Gatr due to its hype and just its poke power WILL see play, especially with some of the cards coming out later, therefore being a deterrent to Fire (and in a lesser way, SP) decks.

And oh, out of curiosity for this little bet, are we talking about pure Gatr decks or are decks using, say, 2-1-2 Gatr allowed too?

Pass on the ketchup, I don't want to look any more ridiculous than a grown man playing a children's card game would. I know how open the meta is. I still don't think it can win. I'm gutsy, I'll permit 2-1-2 to count.

^ I really hope that Feraligatr doesn't win a States in the Seniors. We'll all loook like idiots.

Don't get your hopes up.

[Xuii2-the-cleric]

i would like to c that
can u do it ig gatr doesnt win either

[prodigal_fanboy]

i would like to c that
can u do it ig gatr doesnt win either

Can you learn to post like you're literate?
No, if I do that if 'Gatr likewise fails to win (as surely will be the case) then it's not a gentleman's wager.
It's just a boy eating socks.
If I went around eating socks all the time I wouldn't come here to discuss it.

Side Note:

I'd actually be pretty surprised if it won in Seniors, too.

[Missingno]

I think Luxray GL saves your mouth-sock virginity.

[adagerna]

Normally I would look at something like this and agree but with the fact you put something on the line I might have to play mine at states, but than again I normally don't care if I win or lose so long as I have fun, I think you just decided what deck I will play at states.

[Shino Bug Master]

DOes it need to be the Prime Gatr? Out of curiosity. If i'm able to go to 2 states, i may defiantely take this up for one, so just wanna clarify.

[prodigal_fanboy]

DOes it need to be the Prime Gatr? Out of curiosity. If i'm able to go to 2 states, i may defiantely take this up for one, so just wanna clarify.

I specified that it had to be at least a 2-1-2 line of 'Gatr Prime in the initial thread, but to be honest I'd be really amazed if you won with any 'Gatr, as mathematically it cannot produce the delicious cake that first place trophies are known to create.

If you can think of a lesser but suitable wager for any Feraligatr to commemorate its lack of ability to aid Marie Antoinette, feel free to post it here or let me know via PM.

[dave321]

I'm building my friend my league idea for feraligatr and shall report back with how he does. :3

EDIT: We live in Ontario (Canada)... will this still result in socks?

[ShadowGuard]

You only count States in the US so I can't try it since I live in Europe. =P

[Scipio]

Yeah, he wanted to prevent "backwater" states from taking it...as if EVERY US States has tough competition. But eh.

I myself would LOVE to see this eating your socks thing but I too think it ain't gonna work out. That said, there are a lot of fun tricks possible with Gatr and we might have been overlooking one or two.

Now someone please win with a Gyarados with 2-1-2 Gatr teched in for the lulz.

[Hatter™]

Wailord w/ 2/1/2 Gatr ^.^

[prodigal_fanboy]

I regret to inform you, but Canada and other foreign countries do not result in socks.
Sorry, but I'm not going to chomp on textiles for Austria's sake.

Although if you do win, who knows, you might inspire more attempts for week 2 that would result in sock consumption.

[adagerna]

I think I'm going to go gunning for that sock propbably will fail but I will

[dave321]

I regret to inform you, but Canada and other foreign countries do not result in socks.
Sorry, but I'm not going to chomp on textiles for Austria's sake.

Although if you do win, who knows, you might inspire more attempts for week 2 that would result in sock consumption.

To be fair ontario has more than double the population of utah, hawaii, kansas, montana, wisconsin, nevada, kentucky (list goes on :cool:).

but whatever lawl, it's your decision what socks you will and will not eat and it's a stretch fealigatr would win anyways. :P

[xcfrisco]

i this p_f is doing this to trick top players into playing a mediocre deck thereby increases his chances at multiple state victories!! ;)

[toxictaipan]

i this p_f is doing this to trick top players into playing a mediocre deck thereby increases his chances at multiple state victories!! ;)
I think prodigal_fanboy is just doing it for the "lulz".

[prodigal_fanboy]

i this p_f is doing this to trick top players into playing a mediocre deck thereby increases his chances at multiple state victories!! ;)

What top players can resist delicious cake?! It's foolproof, I say!

And to be fair, it's like you more or less named the states that don't matter*. Except for Kentucky. Which we need for poultry and apple juice. Does Hawaii even have a States Tournament?

*To residents of said states: hey, at least you're not living in Wyoming. Count your blessings.

”If we shadows have offended, / Think but this, and all is mended, / ... Give me your hands, if we be friends, /
And Robin shall restore amends.” (V, i. 440-455)

Slightly morontopic, have their been any rumblings about potential combos with Feraligatr with new cards from Japan? Like that spiffy Blastoise, if there was a way to deal with disruption? Anything else?

Side note: Lumineon MT + Feraligatr is more or less begging Gyarados/Luxchomp to have a field day with you. Translation: bad.

[Xuii2-the-cleric]

ill eat a sock if ackanine sv wins
i prolly just eat it for fun ill try to git picks

[xcfrisco]

Side note: Lumineon MT + Feraligatr is more or less begging Gyarados/Luxchomp to have a field day with you. Translation: bad.

I playtested Feraligatr+Blastoise PL vs Gyarados against my bro and lost (I was playing gyara too!). My bro played it smart and was loading up his bench with energies and was stalling with aqua pressing enemy gyara until I burned through all my resources and then he swept with double launcher for his last 4 prizes. It didn't help that I could get an ssu or reversal to land heads to save my life however "-.-

[Zathaz]

To be fair ontario has more than double the population of utah, hawaii, kansas, montana, wisconsin, nevada, kentucky (list goes on :cool:).

but whatever lawl, it's your decision what socks you will and will not eat and it's a stretch fealigatr would win anyways. :P

Why is Utah FIRST ON YOUR LIST?!?!!? What do you have against Utahns anyway?

[prodigal_fanboy]

I playtested Feraligatr+Blastoise PL vs Gyarados against my bro and lost (I was playing gyara too!). My bro played it smart and was loading up his bench with energies and was stalling with aqua pressing enemy gyara until I burned through all my resources and then he swept with double launcher for his last 4 prizes. It didn't help that I could get an ssu or reversal to land heads to save my life however "-.-

This implies that you only managed to recur a Gyarados once after setting it up against him, which is very disappointing.

As for Utah: Got Milk?

I am really disappointed though. The 'Gym is over hyping bad decks, now it's moved on to hyping bad lists of good decks. As I've said elsewhere, trends here are a lagging indicator of things.

Perchance, my padawan, G3 Network will work. And for those of you who don't get what I'm referring to with a codename I just made up, that is Gyarados G + feraliGatr.

Run 4 Crobats. 2-2 Garch C X. 2 Gyara G. 2-2 Doll or whatevskies. Probably 4 Sableye because he kills aleins and doesn't afraid of anything. Wriggle wriggle wriggle until you get your Gatr online. Poketurn/SSU it, promote a Batman, lay it down, attach five energies, and Dwindling Wave -- Sup for 100 damage. 120 with belt. Run 4 Bubble Coat because you can.

Run Warp Points and Energies and such. Heal off your Gyara. Run a tech Lucian's. Be like, Lucian's, sup, D Rush to your Claydol's face.

Good luck making it consistent.

[vietgamer1021]

If Feraligatr techs in a "flipped table" it WILL win states, I guarantee that you will eat that sock xP

[prodigal_fanboy]

If the average state tournament has six swiss rounds, that's $120 in bribes before you even hit Top Cut.

Who plays Jumpluff? I would assume people would learn already that it cannot consistently do a lot of damage. Im not expecting any Pluff on lower numbered tables.

Implying Gatr is better than Jumpluff.
Implying either will dominate Top Cut.

>>reactionimage

Why on earth do you need something to go with Feraligatr? The only thing I would POSSIBLE CONSIDER using with it is...oh wait. Nothing. I'll take my T2 Gatr Prime and Hydro Crunch whatever gets in my way.

I think SPs will do surprisingly well again if Gatr gets popular and such. Other than that IDK what to predict.

Gatr is very metagame dependant. Its only bad matchup is GG, though that one is next to unwinnable. Therefore Gatr wont win, since it will sooner or later meet GG.

That's LBS. Starmie is Lugia, can OHKO anything. Feraligatr is Blastoise, with Energy Rain. Blastoise is Steelix, to do 100 damage (now it's per turn).

I don't know why everyone makes it out like Feraligatr would be attacking. Why on earth would I attack with Feraligatr whose potential is severely limited when I have Lumineon, Blastoise (soon), even Floatzel GL would be a smarter attacker.

The biggest thing Gatr has going for it is that there are no grass SP decks that ruin its day. Gatr has enough HP and with a speedy setup can play ball with other decks. Will it be Tier 1? No, but could it win a States? Maybe.

The cake is a lie.

[Zenoka of the Winds]

personally, I think it isn't going to win this year's states...... but talk to me next year, when Entei + Suicune Legend is out, then I'll definitely wager against you ;)

[Regis_Neo]

I actually agree with the thread topic, Gatr just doesn't have the right support to make Rain Dance truly delicious yet. Other decks can outspeed it, and of course there's the whole Luxray GL edge for SP decks (and in general decks that tech it) as well. Not to say that it can't win maybe a State or 2, but those will be the exception I think rather than the norm.

Now of course, next format with more GS cards out, well that'll be a different story hopefully.

[Surskit]

God I want that sock.

[dave321]

I stand by my statement. Running BTS, Lumineon, and Floatzel GL has a LOT of damage output. Cursegar can get ruined by it since Lumineon MT can Bright Look a gengar with ease. Lumineon SF is a 1-off in the deck I think since it is pretty good against select matchups.

And you have to remember no one is gonna use HGSS Croconaw, the MT one allows you to search your top 5 cards for energy and keep it. Even if you get lookered, the amount of roseanne's, croconaw evolution, etc. in the deck (as I plan it) can make up for it.

GG is a horrible matchup but my plan for that (aka the plan I'm forcing my buddy to use) is to attach 2 energies to floatzel before you get locked. That way if you're stuck with a handful of energy you can finish off Gardevoir either way, just gotta hope they don't have another lying in wait.

It's an INCREDIBLY fast deck and while it suffers greatly under powerlock it does well against some pretty good decks, esp. Cursegar (it ruins it's whole gimmick) which is probably going to be the most popular deck at states.

I don't see how it loses to Gyarados. Even if I run 2-2 lumineon, or even 1 lumineon and 4 finneon, thanks to floatzel's body I'll see them coming back turn after turn. And with the amount of basics like Combee, Sableye, and Regice gyarados runs that it doesnt use after setting up that makes it a huge target to be schooled by Lumineon SF & then Lumineon MT after it retreats. Even if I can't kill Gyarados easily (though it DOES only take 8 energies which isnt that hard to get a hold of in this deck... not factoring in belt since either of us could have one) I can kill all the other worthless basics in your deck for some cheap prizes.

[Scipio]

God I want that sock.

Too bad I call dibs on said sock, after all he did remark it towards me :P

Now, there are combos for Gatr that are seemingly very nice. Double Launcher Blastoise? Pretty dang painful but slow to set up. Pelipper? Can KO anything but is KO'd back quikly itself, same storie for the weaker Starmie. Palkia G? Hello consistent 80 snipes, hello Luxray GL wrecking your day. Itself (20 spread)? Might just be the best variety...if not for Nidoqueen/Garchomp C/Manectric/Blissey Prime.

Now the interesting thing here is that while each variety has its hard counters - they are all different. Then again, one stray Roserade GL can stop Gatr cold.

[adagerna]

Don't scare me with that roserade, I'm gunning for your sock prod and if I win I'm going to watch you do it at CA states.

[Happiny13]

PF, I am going to prove you wrong. I am going to march up to states, register my deck, and then hire someone else to play Feraligatr cause there's no way I'm doing it.

[prodigal_fanboy]

I stand by my statement. Running BTS, Lumineon, and Floatzel GL has a LOT of damage output. Cursegar can get ruined by it since Lumineon MT can Bright Look a gengar with ease. Lumineon SF is a 1-off in the deck I think since it is pretty good against select matchups.

A lot of damage output, assuming you gt Lumineon/Floatzel/Gatr/Claydol online and hit enough Water energy to really get things going. In this format, that's a very big assumption.

And you have to remember no one is gonna use HGSS Croconaw, the MT one allows you to search your top 5 cards for energy and keep it. Even if you get lookered, the amount of roseanne's, croconaw evolution, etc. in the deck (as I plan it) can make up for it.

GG is a horrible matchup but my plan for that (aka the plan I'm forcing my buddy to use) is to attach 2 energies to floatzel before you get locked. That way if you're stuck with a handful of energy you can finish off Gardevoir either way, just gotta hope they don't have another lying in wait.

Find the flaws in this plan.

It's an INCREDIBLY fast deck and while it suffers greatly under powerlock it does well against some pretty good decks, esp. Cursegar (it ruins it's whole gimmick) which is probably going to be the most popular deck at states.

Thank goodness all the good players don't put Looker's/Wager in their Cursegar.

Incredibly fast under trainer lock? Or when its draw power / recursion method is being hit consistently?

I don't see how it loses to Gyarados. Even if I run 2-2 lumineon, or even 1 lumineon and 4 finneon, thanks to floatzel's body I'll see them coming back turn after turn. And with the amount of basics like Combee, Sableye, and Regice gyarados runs that it doesnt use after setting up that makes it a huge target to be schooled by Lumineon SF & then Lumineon MT after it retreats. Even if I can't kill Gyarados easily (though it DOES only take 8 energies which isnt that hard to get a hold of in this deck... not factoring in belt since either of us could have one) I can kill all the other worthless basics in your deck for some cheap prizes.

Scipio, I dunno man. I can't afford to ship a sock across the ocean, eh?

[Scipio]

The bet stands. Though, if you're really that confident, surely that dollar or two it'll cost you shouldn't take much.

[prodigal_fanboy]

The bet stands. Though, if you're really that confident, surely that dollar or two it'll cost you shouldn't take much.

Fair enough. Although it's not a dollar or two. International shipping for a sock would run at least a five-spot. I have big feet, and so I think one of my socks would weigh more than the maximum to send as just a letter.

[gallade]

yeah, ima side with proddy on this one, except it might win wyoming XD.

[Kayle]

Gatr + Gyarados SF. Dragon Beat is kinda lulzy.

Worth more lulz than most Gatr variants.

"What are you running?"
"Gyarados."
"Oh? Haha, Karp start, that must kinda suck..."
"Well, I have Rose, Candy, Gatr, and four energy, so I'm actually really enjoying this hand."
"What"

[Mach]

I think there are a few people that are thinking up some way to use Feraligatr right now, just for the sock.

[Surskit]

Yup. Kyogre Rush, watch out. It's coming.

[Mach]

Kyogre Rush with a tech Kingdra LA.

[prodigal_fanboy]

Yup. Kyogre Rush, watch out. It's coming.

You're vulnerable to Luxray and of course will have to find ways to compensate for the huge energy discard factor.

Kingdra has potential with it, I suppose, but at what point are you just better off playing Kingdra?

It's the day before, and I believe my socks are safe.

[dave628]

What will prevent someone simply teching in 1-0-1 Feraligatr or 1-1-1 Feraligatr line in a deck like Kingdra; but never really use the tech.
lol, it might hurt their deck's consistency.

[Lawso42]

What will prevent someone simply teching in 1-0-1 Feraligatr or 1-1-1 Feraligatr line in a deck like Kingdra; but never really use the tech.
lol, it might hurt their deck's consistency.

P_F said in a previous thread it had to be at least a 2-1-2 line of Gat'r.

-Lawso

[metagross]

I stand by the fact that the best match for Gatr is Pelipper. There is a couple of reasons for that:

You OHKO pretty much anything with 5 energies, which arent hard to get with 2 Claydols up.
Your plan already includes shuffling the energies back, therefore isnt hurt by Looker/Wager.
Yes, your Pelipper will most likely get OHKOed back but you can swarm them faster (or as fast against decks like gyarados) as they can.
You dont need to use Belt considering you OHKO everything anyway.

Right now Im working on a strategy against Plox, since that seems like the only bad matchup.

[prodigal_fanboy]

I stand by the fact that the best match for Gatr is Pelipper. There is a couple of reasons for that:

You OHKO pretty much anything with 5 energies, which aren't hard to get with 2 Claydols up.

Right now Im working on a strategy against Plox, since that seems like the only bad matchup.

Arguments like this are the reason I feel safe in my bet.

Assuming that you'll hit 5 water energy per turn, or that you will get two Claydols, a Feraligatr prime, and a Pelipper online against high caliber decks in this format is really on the fringe of what should even be considering.

All it takes is Gyarados either Bright Looking or Reversaling your Claydols and you will be up a creek without the crucial draw power to try and hit waters.

Curesgar has means of making things difficult for you.

Luxchomp is.

And that's just tier one decks.

[Mach]

I bet out somewhere like Alaska they'll only have one Master show up for States, so they'll have to give him the trophy. He'll be running Meganium/Typhlosion/Ampharos/Feraligatr, too.

[Scipio]

I bet out somewhere like Alaska they'll only have one Master show up for States, so they'll have to give him the trophy. He'll be running Meganium/Typhlosion/Ampharos/Feraligatr, too.

With a tech Exploud SV to counter weakness.

[Ninjask88]

Gatr + Gyarados SF. Dragon Beat is kinda lulzy.

Worth more lulz than most Gatr variants.

"What are you running?"
"Gyarados."
"Oh? Haha, Karp start, that must kinda suck..."
"Well, I have Rose, Candy, Gatr, and four energy, so I'm actually really enjoying this hand."
"What"

Y ai was kinda thinking the same thing you can play Gyarados SF and Feraligatr Prime satrt playing it liek a regular Gyarados opening with Sableye Impersonate for Roseanne on turn one and get two magikarps. Get a Gyarados wiht a Bebe's and hop ethat you have another Magikaro you drew then Impersonate for a Felicities and discard the two 'karps whill evolving the one on the bench. You do 60 for nothing or 80 with belt. Wait until you get a DCE or two on Gyarados then come out with 'Gatr Rain Dance and just keep doing 120 Damage plus possible energy discard every turn while healing with Dawn Stadium every water Energy you attach, Now to only get this deck to work consistantly...

[prodigal_fanboy]

Is this the smell of... 'Gatr not winning?! *whiff* I do believe it is!

[Kibble N Bits]

it didnt win in VA, it didnt even make in the top 16, i am however not shocked

[Scipio]

Is this the smell of... 'Gatr not winning?! *whiff* I do believe it is!

Is this the smell of... still a lot of states to go?! *whiff* I do believe it is!

[DarthPika]

it didnt win in VA, it didnt even make in the top 16, i am however not shocked

I saw several Gatr at VA... They were all at the bottom tables. :lol:

[Volt]

The cake is a lie.

Seems like someone played too much Portal, eh? :D

I think Gatr will never ever be good, at least not in the near future.

[gallade]

LOL!!!! Nice one volt!

[prodigal_fanboy]

Is this the smell of... still a lot of states to go?! *whiff* I do believe it is!

Yeah but if it was garbage this week I don't see that changing.

And why you hate Portal?

[Mach]

There's still a week left. I'm sure someone can lucksack their way through a meta of Charizard and Donphan.

[Volt]

I don't hate it, it's my favorite game, actually... next to HL2.

[Mathorn1]

Did Iowa let us down?

[prodigal_fanboy]

Did Iowa let us down?

I haven't heard anything about Iowa. I'd hope not.

P.S. They have a State tournament and Alabama doesn't? Alabama is right next to Florida, at least!

[Mathorn1]

Yeah I think like 25 or something people went there and Jay couldnt go so theres a good chance of it winning there.

[prodigal_fanboy]

Yeah I think like 25 or something people went there and Jay couldnt go so theres a good chance of it winning there.

We'll wait and see. So far, it has yet to even Top Cut. :eek:

[drakeleon]

Arguments like this are the reason I feel safe in my bet.

Assuming that you'll hit 5 water energy per turn, or that you will get two Claydols, a Feraligatr prime, and a Pelipper online against high caliber decks in this format is really on the fringe of what should even be considering.

All it takes is Gyarados either Bright Looking or Reversaling your Claydols and you will be up a creek without the crucial draw power to try and hit waters.

Curesgar has means of making things difficult for you.

Luxchomp is.

And that's just tier one decks.


Well, there is some falsehood in this. I agree the deck won't win a states, but it could (if tweaked JUST right) do rather well. Mine sets up pretty bloody fast and wrecks gengar, despite my trainers and even without the Lumineon MT- which completely trashes spiritomb lock if they have a Gengar, obviously. Just too easy to get a feraligatr going around the same time as they get a gengar, then just swing for knockouts every turn. They play a single expert belt and you come ahead- they don't and they don't one hit the Pelippers, so you get ahead that way.

This works against many decks.

Not Luxchomp.

My fave move against Gyarados with Pelipper/Feraligatr is to use both Lumineons to put Magikarp active from their hand, then bring up Gyarados. Every turn.

[Jaeger]

Did Iowa let us down?

No Iowa was legit finals was 2 Worlds top 4 players, neither of which played Gator and over all 25% of the players in master have played in Worlds (we'll just ignore the rest of the info I told you right :wink:)

[WittyNameHere]

Question: Does the sock go to the Winner? I want mah Sock! umm..... It's unlikely, but who knows.

[Rashad]

if we had holons's castform dis wuld b a different story

[prodigal_fanboy]

Question: Does the sock go to the Winner? I want mah Sock! umm..... It's unlikely, but who knows.

What States did you win with Feraligatr? And you'd have to fight it out with Scipio.

@Rashad -- if u lernd 2 spel gud dis wuld not b a mocking reply

[WittyNameHere]

I didn't. I wanted to know if the winner got the sock, or I did.

[Kibble N Bits]

feraligator didnt make top 4 at maryland, and neither did any players from maryland, way to go VA :lol: