Pokemon or Yu-gi-oh???

[Blaziken98]

Personally when it comes to the Tv show Pokemon is good (3/4 of the Episodes) but every episode there is always some childisy and annoying. Yep and if you guessed Team Rocket you where right every episode they come have some retarted machine even though they are broke they take Pikachu (Or whatever Pokemon is appering in the episode) Then Pikachu uses Thundeerbolt and they go "HAHAHAHAHA Pikachu sorry it is a Electric proff" then Ash sends out someother Pokemon or the Character they met in that episode uses some stupid water gun or something and pops there baloon and of course the fly away and Pikachu floats safely to the ground as "LOOKS LIKE TEAM ROCKETS BLASTING OF AGIAN!" it is so lame after 600 episodes. That is what I don't like about Pokemon.. (The Seasons 1,2-6,7 are good I thought 3,4,5 Sucked!!!)

Now Yu-gi-oh I like becuase it is more serous (Much more serous) and has more I don't know if you would consider them more serous plots then Team Rocket steeling Pikachu. I know there are some lame episodes here as well and the whole Heart of The Cards crap but it is a good show as well.

Anyway I like Yu-gi-oh (The Show) just a little more then the Pokemon Show what about you ???

[Thomas33]

yes, ygo is more serious and i watch it when i bump into it and have time, but from my sig you can find out what i think about YGO TCG

[Robert]

I dislike YGO's CCG, but I like its TV show. The show has more plot and things that seem more important then miniscule little tasks of the day. Pokemon needs to put effort into it like they do their movies.. which isn't that much effort it seems.

[Lord Broly]

YGO is crap. Watch Inuyasha, Dragon
Ball/Z/GT, or YuYu Hakusho.

[Robert]

YGO is crap. Watch Inuyasha, Dragon
Ball/Z/GT, or YuYu Hakusho.


That's not part of the question. I've seen close to one hundred different titles of anime and enjoy nearly all of them more than Pokemon and YGO. The question is to choose from the two, and not take into account other animes.

[Marril]

1) Anybody who recommends Dragon Ball Z is not worth listening to.

2) Yu-Gi-Oh focuses (in this plot arc) on the ancient civilization of Atlantis trying to revive itself to basically enforce their destructive order on the earth. Pokémon (in this plot arc) follows a whiny brat who can't train Pokémon well to save his life around as he stumbles from gym to gym, sending the same group of morons into the ionosphere literally every episode.

[Rai]

1) Anybody who recommends Dragon Ball Z is not worth listening to.

2) Yu-Gi-Oh focuses (in this plot arc) on the ancient civilization of Atlantis trying to revive itself to basically enforce their destructive order on the earth. Pokémon (in this plot arc) follows a whiny brat who can't train Pokémon well to save his life around as he stumbles from gym to gym, sending the same group of morons into the ionosphere literally every episode.

Hear hear!
EDIT: Pokemon actually would be less sad if they stuck a bit more to the games (like no Kanto pokemon in Hoenn, that just constantly annoys me :mad: Also Team Rocket should take a hike for a bit so Teams Magma and Aqua can be seen a bit more often then those very spread out episodes where they show up for maybe 10 minutes maximum. YGO at least has some character develpoment, with Weevil's fight with Yami Yugi definately showing up as, well, dark.

[PokeWisconsin]

Pokemon.

[bullados]

In terms of anime, it used to be a tie, back when YGO was still in the Duelist Kingdom arc. That was terrible. Now, it's gotten much better, far surpassing Pokemon and even coming close to the first seasons of Digimon (before the Spirits)

[Blaziken98]

Ya that is true Digimon was decent 1 season then this crap about Spirits

[Marril]

Digimon was only really good during Tamers, and to a lesser extent most of 02 (the Kaizer arc especially—evil Chosen Child). Frontier basically ruined the thing.

The V-Tamer manga blew the rest of it out of the water. Not only did Taichi know what he was doing, but he was stylish, and so was his Digimon, Zero. Plus, the main enemy was this guy named Neo who had two digivices and a Digimon named Arca Demon... who was strong enough to kill Piemon as a Baby, Seraphimon as an Adult, and Demon himself as a Perfect.

Goddish, I know too much about this.

[ShawofMordor]

ygo seems kinda corny too me actually.

[Mad Skills Z]

This is somthing intristing I think should be viewed by you guys.

http://home.att.net/~kidradd/comic549.htm#title

[Blaziken98]

Cool that was Intresting

[Gardyrocks!]

YGO is wayyy better than Pokemon. Yes, heart of the card sux and all the talking they do can be annoying because heaps of the time it takes like 10 minutes just to do 1 simple move, i still find it better than POkemon though (as i said)

[Marril]

I love how they took Atem's little spiel about the "spirit of the cards" from the first episode and turned it into a series-long running gag. Originally, Atem was just on a topdeck streak and invented some BS about the "spirit of the cards" to taunt Kaiba when he managed to draw all 5 parts of Exodia and win.

[Squirtle]

Ok, here is my Opinion in the whole thing(Not that any gives a damn....:D )

1)As of right now Yu-Gi-Oh is a Far better show than pokemon. Reasons:

a)The whole team rocket thing. "Were blasting off again" That got old 3 seasons ago.
b)Ash Needs to get some lgendaries already. I mean come on, Yugi got the "god" Cards.
c)Ash never gets older. We are on the 5th season(I think) And he is still 10 years old. I mean what is that. at least in other shows they get older.(DBZ, Yu Yu Hakusho, and InuYasha) Even i they are getting "older" at least they get a change of clothes. Ash has changed his clothes once this whole time. He must have some serious B.O. How many outfits does he fit in that backpack?Like I said in other shows they wear different clothes when they are in there bed.

There are other reasons while in some aspects pokemon is better than YGO and why YGO is better than pokemon but If I went into every detail over all the SagasIt would be a 2 pagepost... :D



Squirtle


BTW, Anyone who says that YGO is a better TCG than pokemon (And means it) is in need of some serious PAIN.

[ColdCoates90]

I my opinon Pokemon is better because they take too long to finish matches in yugioh and because they use cards to fight each other.

Squirtle- I'd appericiate it if you removed that from your signature. It was just my thinking process that lead me to that.

[Squirtle]

Squirtle- I'd appericiate it if you removed that from your signature. It was just my thinking process that lead me to that.

Sorry, I cna't do that.

Squirtle

[LuMaga1]

I like them both.

[Tagrineth]

Yu-Gi-Oh! is actually a pretty solid anime. Half the time, pokemon feels like a cheap cash-in with even worse dialogue than Dragonball Z's worst moments and the whole Team Rocket crap got old after no more than two episodes for me.

If you want to see some real anime greatness, go watch Trigun or Berserk... but between those two, Yu-Gi-Oh! is a lot closer in overall quality to those two than Pokemon could ever dream of.

[Gardyrocks!]

with even worse dialogue than Dragonball Z's worst moments

BOOOO, DBZ is a cool as program

[Miss-Skitty]

Pokemon lost it's steamfor a while, but this season is better. Not just the addiction of Skitty to the cast but also Meoth's fantasies are the funnir\est thing going in aneme right now!!

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

I dunno. I'm going with Pokémon over YGO here for a couple of reasons.

YGO uses way too much dialogue to go around angles they have covered already. You end up just hearing the same thing repeated over and over. And the acting isn't that great.

I think TR needs a little extra oomph lately, but the show has improved since Master Quest, which was kind of bland. Plus Pokémon is funny sometimes, but YGO is just...sad.

[Marril]

I think TR needs a little extra oomph lately, but the show has improved since Master Quest, which was kind of bland. Plus Pokémon is funny sometimes, but YGO is just...sad.
The "humour" in Pokémon mainly consists of Team Rocket acting like their collective IQ is lower than your average gouda cheese's. YGO at least tries to have a serious plotline, while Pokémon reuses the same generic plot for every episode.

Pokémon as a whole is better than YGO, but in terms of shows... YGO's got it beat, no contest. The Pokémon movies and specials are its strongest points, which doesn't say much.

[dantheballer]

I would choose pokemon over yo-gi-oh anyday. I yo-gi-oh it takes sometimes 3 episodes to finish a frickin battle. Also in the show they are fighting with holograms not "living" things. Yo-gi-oh is way to serious for a cartoon, you want to watch a cartoon when you want to chill out and laugh

[Marshtomp]

Dude, you are so correct

Yugioh's plot isnt the only thing serious about that show. The characters are too... WAY too serious. Im not joking, listen to them talk while they play! Especially Yami-Yugi and Kaiba. Thats why pegasus is the best character, not stern and "trying to be cool when he's not". Also, they dont play the game even close to correctly. A lot of the cards are played wrong, and they play multiple monsters and dont tribute summon for the FULL FIRST SEASON! I'm not saying pokemon is much better, but yugioh is a waste of TV.

[Marril]

I would choose pokemon over yo-gi-oh anyday. I yo-gi-oh it takes sometimes 3 episodes to finish a frickin battle. Also in the show they are fighting with holograms not "living" things. Yo-gi-oh is way to serious for a cartoon, you want to watch a cartoon when you want to chill out and laugh
It's obvious that you aren't even bothering to watch it. While they're fighting with holograms, DOOM (it's all-capsed for some reason) is stealing people's souls to actually resurrect their god and restore Atlantis to power.

A lot of the cards are played wrong, and they play multiple monsters and dont tribute summon for the FULL FIRST SEASON!

The first season was made before the TCG was. Then they actually made a TCG and had to go change a lot of the ingame rules. You'll note that once they hit Battle City, the game is played correctly aside from the halved life total.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

I think the reason Pokémon beats YGO is because YGO tries to take itself far too seriously. The show itself is a joke, but it insists on taking itself as some kind of drama. Pokémon isn't trying to make itself out to be some hard-core serious show; it knows its a cartoon.

But YGO seems to think of itself as an actual, true blue drama. They put too much into its supposed solemnity, but that just makes their rediculous actions come of as comical, not serious. The more they try to increase the tension in their show the more they increase the shows aura of can't-take-it-serious.I hope that made sense.

Basically, Pokémon isn't trying to hype itself as anything that it isn't, while it seems the opposite is true for our friend YGO.

[Marril]

It's worth noting that originally Yu-Gi-Oh had a fairly decent air of seriousness, but take a look at the very name of the company that dubs it into English: 4Kids. They basically *******ize the show into some form of kids' drama, by removing the things that actually make the show able to take itself seriously without being ridiculous.

Yes, "Alister" comes off as being a right nutter for trying to avenge his family after they became captured by some unnamed soldiers. It makes a lot more sense when you realize that Amelda's family was killed by the military and the only person he could turn to was a crazy priest from a long-dead civilization.

[Bobby]

OK. I just... RAWR I hate the Yu-gi-oh tv show. It is sooo rediculus I laugh out loud whenever it comes on. A few things...

1) Everything the characters say is like a declaration. They shout every single action they do! Calm down...

2) I don't see why they take three episodes to finish a single duel. If you miss one episode, you're totally lost

3) The plot is a joke. They walk around battling people, Yugi turns into an egyptian guy, send some souls to the shadow realm while we're at it... So what? Most of the time I don't know what they're trying to accomplish.

4) It's a walking advertisment for the TCG. The show has no background other than there were egyption guys that played an evil game. Woot. I don't want to see them do something that I can spend ten dollars on and do myself.


Yo-gi-oh is way to serious for a cartoon, you want to watch a cartoon when you want to chill out and laugh

Oh, it gives me a laugh all right ;).

[Dek]

Right now, I would have to say that the Yu-Gi-Oh anime is better right now basically because it not only has a story, but it also makes good transitions from one story to the next story...

3) The plot is a joke. They walk around battling people, Yugi turns into an egyptian guy, send some souls to the shadow realm while we're at it... So what? Most of the time I don't know what they're trying to accomplish.

Then you obviously haven't watched it enough to understand the plot of the 1st season...

"Yami" Yugi sent souls into the shadow realm because they were working for Peagusus, the main enemy who also stole the soul of Yugi's Grandfather.

4) It's a walking advertisment for the TCG. The show has no background other than there were egyption guys that played an evil game. Woot. I don't want to see them do something that I can spend ten dollars on and do myself.

And the Pokemon anime isn't a walking advertisement for hte TCG? the Game Boy games? The Manga?

Anything with an alternative form of entertainment is basically advertising the alternative forms of entertainment.

[Marril]

"Yami" Yugi sent souls into the shadow realm because they were working for Peagusus, the main enemy who also stole the soul of Yugi's Grandfather.

In the first YGO series (before Duel Monsters), Atem—Yami Yugi's former name as the Pharaoh of Egypt—was basically this psychopath who'd make up insane "Games of Darkness" (usually involving overly dangerous conditions)... then he'd invariably win and drive the loser insane magically.

It's easy to see why they didn't dub this series. Seriously, though, in the series we all know and love, you really need to watch it to get the plot, but it's there, and it's superior to Pokémon's. The dub just doesn't do a good job of translating, mostly in the quasi-religious details that the plot has a hard time dealing without. I love how they totally skipped over (for example) the fact that the reason why Kaiba could control Obelisk was because in his previous incarnation as the High Priest, he had the Sennen Rod (they also changed the Hieratic that Mai failed to chant to control Ra).

[Bobby]

And the Pokemon anime isn't a walking advertisement for hte TCG? the Game Boy games? The Manga?


Maybe blatant would have been a better word there. In the Pokémon show, they don't walk around battling ;x. You could say that either show is a form of advertising, but Yu-Gi-Oh is much more obvious IMO.

Marill, thanks for that info. :)

[Dek]

It's easy to see why they didn't dub this series. Seriously, though, in the series we all know and love, you really need to watch it to get the plot, but it's there, and it's superior to Pokémon's. The dub just doesn't do a good job of translating, mostly in the quasi-religious details that the plot has a hard time dealing without. I love how they totally skipped over (for example) the fact that the reason why Kaiba could control Obelisk was because in his previous incarnation as the High Priest, he had the Sennen Rod (they also changed the Hieratic that Mai failed to chant to control Ra).

Although they did show Kaiba's Egyptian past a little (as well as him holding the Mellenium Rod), sadly, it was only focused on his past with the Blue Eyes White Dragon (Kaiba vs. Ishizu and then Kaiba vs. Yugi, obviously) only because they want to portray Kaiba as a BEWD nut.

[Marril]

They also forgot to mention the significance of the woman who he sacrificed to summon the BEWD... ¬_¬

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

Ok, maybe we've nailed the issue of seriousness.

But what about animation?

I prefer Pokémon's style over YGO's hands down. YGO has sharp, unpleasant faces, strange shaped humans, bizarre-over-the-top creatures, and unreaslistic hair (for an animé).

Pokémon wins here because it has softer characters. Stuff that looks a little more natural, realistic, plausible. Everyone looks pretty normal, and the costumes are a little better than in YGO.

Plus the backgrounds in Pokémon crush anything else, I think. YGO has stale, trying-too-hard-to-be-unique animation.

...Oddly, my dad was impressed with YGO's animation when it first came out over here...

[Marril]

Apples and oranges, Lugia, apples and oranges. See, Pokémon is a show that doesn't try too hard to have a serious theme to it (actually it tries to do the exact opposite). YGO tries to have drama and whatnot, so a sharper animation style would convey that theme a lot better.

[Xeno]

1) Anybody who recommends Dragon Ball Z is not worth listening to.

*Claps*

I find Yu-gi-oh's more complex plot over Pokemon. Pokmon has a kid and two of his friends traveling to join a legaue will fending off evil organizations such as the infamous Rockets. Yu-gi-oh is usually more complex and varies more between episodes.

There are a lot more better anime out there but I guess these two are good animes to start out with at a young age. I do make fun and mock the way the card players over damatize everything while dueling though. Once, a kid went to the store with an actual duel disc, it was halirious!

[Super Sonik]

help me list all the anime shoes like hihi pufy amy umi show,dragonballz,dragonballgt,dragonbball,yugioh,p okemon,digemon,f-zerogp legends,anthing i'm missing? :confused:

[Otaku]

From what I have seen, the English version of Pokemon beats YGO. Why? Pokemon, as stated, is more light hearted and less complex. This is why the "Americanized" version is much less painful to watch. Yes, Team Rocket, especially Jessie, has gotten so stupid it hurts (well, most episodes). James was never the brightest bulb, and given some comments they have him slip in, almost seems smarter. Meowth bounces back and fourth: originally, his justifications for why they were after certain Pokemon weren't that bad... but a lot of them are. Still, in the long run, the show doesn't change as much.

Compare this to YGO. Poor YGO. It was a series targeted towards an older audience, and from a country where such an audience would naturally be allowed to view more (which I will not comment on as being better or worse). This means its original content is far beyond what would normally be allowed for general consumption. So right there, we see the episodes getting hacked into itty-bitty pieces. Also, without the actual first season airing, although its quality is dubious according to the people I have talked with, it still went quite ways in defining the characters. If you haven't yet, try to catch the Shonen Jump Graphic Novels; from what I have heard and read myself, they are great translations. Back to business though. YGO has been so turned into an ugly, hollow shell of itself. To see how, check out the recent Uncut DVDs, and this site: http://yugioh.dbzoa.net/index.html

So it comes down to watching a highschool butcher a perfomance of MacBeth vs a perfomance of WillyWonka.

[bullados]

From what you're saying, I gather it's the difference between the painful and the dreadful. I'd take painful any day of the week, IMO.

[Marril]

Thing is, YGO is really aimed at a niche market in terms of the themes it uses. Now, in America, you don't get a lot of people into that stuff, because it's a cultural mandate to make everyone only like popular things, and worse, the fun stuff has to be changed and/or glossed over to make it marketable in America.

I'm just saying, even with all that 4Kids is doing to it, it's holding up better than some shows I've seen get this treatment. Pokémon just takes the old standby of "monster of the week" (usually used in superhero/-ine type shows) and turns it into "Pokémon of the day" without any real form of overall plot aside from the whole "let's go get the badges!" schtick.

[Otaku]

Thing is, YGO is really aimed at a niche market in terms of the themes it uses. Now, in America, you don't get a lot of people into that stuff, because it's a cultural mandate to make everyone only like popular things, and worse, the fun stuff has to be changed and/or glossed over to make it marketable in America.
Nice attempt at distracting from the real topic. Indeed, there are a lot of aspects of YGO that get changed because of the difference in culture... and isn't it ironic that you dislike a culture for disliking another culture? The stuff you define as fun is most offensive to others. Yes, I am one of the "kooks" who are glad that several YGO cards have been censored. Not all of them, but many of them.

You do realize that Pokemon has also seen its share of censorship: again, some of it annoying, other parts of it somewhat welcome. Actually, with Pokemon, I am not sure how much of it has been welcome...

I'm just saying, even with all that 4Kids is doing to it, it's holding up better than some shows I've seen get this treatment. Pokémon just takes the old standby of "monster of the week" (usually used in superhero/-ine type shows) and turns it into "Pokémon of the day" without any real form of overall plot aside from the whole "let's go get the badges!" schtick.
Please note, despite the quote use, the following addresses some previous posts content and some new content.

Where as I am saying the opposite: YGO has been butchered almost completely beyond repair. I still watch, but like many serial shows, it's because I hate leaving things "unfinished". Pokemon has suffered much less, and most of the dislike comes from not liking the content of the show to begin with. The irony is that YGO has become as hackneyed as Pokemon: with seemingly two or three episodes of exception each season, it's "Yugi must prevent something awful from happening by winning a tournament or duel." The first Duel Monsters story arc, Duelist Kingdom, Yugi is dueling to rescue his Grandfather's soul. After a few differing episodes, the Battle City Episodes have Yugi struggling to beat Marik and aquire the "Egyptian god cards" in order to save the world. Now he has to defeat the "forces of evil" to save the world. Yup. Never seen that in a cartoon before. Character development in both series is low; in both cases, more is seen in the Japanese episodes (although YGO has more than Pokemon there, to my understanding). Neither represent their respective TCGs accurately. For Pokemon, this is more forgivable. Why? The cartoon is supposed to ape the video game world, and of course, the video games are less than completely immersive: they use a simple videogame RPGish interface. In YGO, the TCG came after the manga and anime, so naturally, it won't match up perfect. However, Duel Monsters was a McGuffin, a plot device. It took some aspects of pre-existing TCGs and added a few twists. Demand for the real game was high, so it was released... by Bandai. Things weren't doing so well, and eventually it was redesigned and relaunched by Konami. Konami was less faithful to the source material, because the source material was too fanciful. Now, some progress has been made: the game in later seasons is much closer to the real thing than the early episodes had it. Its still quite a ways off though. First you have the "obvious": Life-Points are half the real starting value. As you'd expect from playing Pokemon with just three prizes, this drastically alters strategy. Less obvious is that cards have rarities that Konami only dreams it could get away with: most filler monsters from the sets we see exist, at least in part, because in the source material most of the commonly played cards here aren't so common there. Now realize that cards still are often radically different from their real life counter parts, and tend to debut in the manga. Finally, the play style is just completely backwards. Decks are often insane hodgepodges. Yugi himself has single copies of sevearl Dark Magician supporting cards, the Magnet Warrior Trio, Gaia the Fierce Knight and related cards, and then whatever helps the plot along. Mai has uses a "Grrl Power!" deck composed of several female monsters... some in related "clumps", like Harpies or Amazons.... and others that only match by being female (Dunames).

[NycDarkDragon]

I don't think I can bear to watch either of the shows anymore...with the same repetative phrases such as "my move!" and "Team Rocket!"(shock when they see them again) It kinda gets on my nerves...YGO storyline is kinda interesting, but I can't stand how they talk. Maybe I should watch it without sound. Pokemon occasionally have interesting battles with characters like lance.

[Marril]

Otaku: Paragraphs please. It's not very easy to read one huge, long block of text. That said, what I define as "fun stuff" is merely what gives YGO its flavour. It's not all that offensive, really it's not all that much worse than when Atem played the Seal he got from Raphael and went insane for a short time.

Aside from that, you didn't really say anything contrary to what I've been saying. You just aren't seeing that I'm not saying YGO is a good show. It's not. All I'm saying is that it's better than Pokémon.

[Otaku]

Otaku: Paragraphs please. It's not very easy to read one huge, long block of text. That said, what I define as "fun stuff" is merely what gives YGO its flavour. It's not all that offensive, really it's not all that much worse than when Atem played the Seal he got from Raphael and went insane for a short time.

Aside from that, you didn't really say anything contrary to what I've been saying. You just aren't seeing that I'm not saying YGO is a good show. It's not. All I'm saying is that it's better than Pokémon.
I count three paragraphs myself... but I will assume you refer to the third one. Indeed, I really need to format that better. And you are correct-one large block of text is harder to read. Somehow, I don't believe that you brought that up because you were that concerned with legibility.

Different things offend different people. Though "offend" may not be the correct word. It's a bit lengthy to get into, and would risk steering this off topic, so I will just stick with "offend".

Actually, events like Atem playing the Seal are usually the highlight of the show for me. Those aren't the problem.

You are right... I am not saying anything too different from you... except that the "Americanized" YGO is worse than the "Americanized" Pokemon. I guess that was one of those things that were too obscure in my large, blocky, paragraph.

I will reiterate my stance: when dealing with the original Japanese versions of the shows, Yu-Gi-Oh almost wins hands down. I say almost because when you see them true to form, you may not feel comparing them is fair-sort of like comparing Trigun to Cowboys of Moomesa. In the "Americanized" versions though, Pokemon is made to wear "nice" clothes while YGO is put in a straigh jacket and given a sedative. After the butchering, Pokemon is better. they are more or less the same level on the final product... but YGO has obviously suffered more. That directly impacts my enjoyment of the show. With Pokemon, I am not having to ask myself "what got cut this episode". With YGO, I am constatly asking myself these things.

And yes, I know both have had siginificant cuts. I don't think any entire YGO epidsodes have actually been cut (on multiple occasions two episodes have been hybridized into just one), where as we have had three to five episodes of Pokemon that were never aired or only aired after heavy edits. Still, even factoring that in, YGO still possesses the greater deficit.

[dragonspy900]

yugioh the show is better but the ccg is to confusing.

pokemon:tcg


yugioh:show

[Marril]

I count three paragraphs myself... but I will assume you refer to the third one. Indeed, I really need to format that better. And you are correct-one large block of text is harder to read. Somehow, I don't believe that you brought that up because you were that concerned with legibility.
Actually, I did. I just don't seem to read huge, large blocks very well. After a while it just becomes an eyestrain on me.

[Tagrineth]

1) Everything the characters say is like a declaration. They shout every single action they do! Calm down...

PIKACHU! THUNDERSHOCK! NOW!

OKAY! CHIKORITA! I CHOOSE YOU!

OH NO! BLAZIKEN!

Shouting happens in Pokemon just as much when they're battling. -.-;

2) I don't see why they take three episodes to finish a single duel. If you miss one episode, you're totally lost

Some people do prefer a continuous plot over an episodic style like Pokemon's, and the continuous events style is very characteristic of Anime as a whole.

3) The plot is a joke. They walk around battling people, Yugi turns into an egyptian guy, send some souls to the shadow realm while we're at it... So what? Most of the time I don't know what they're trying to accomplish.

You have to watch the show from the start to understand the plot fully. Pokemon's plot is haphazard and downright pathetic when you get down to it - a group of loser kids want their little critters to beat the stuffing out of a bunch of other little critters, so they can get badges. Whoop. At least Yugi is battling for something other than little metal pins.

4) It's a walking advertisment for the TCG. The show has no background other than there were egyption guys that played an evil game. Woot. I don't want to see them do something that I can spend ten dollars on and do myself.

The show came before the card game. If anything, the card game is a mobile advertisement for the anime.

That, and the show has tons of background and plot, you just choose to ignore it. The show also has a great dramatic flair, and is wonderfully written and planned out (the original Japanese version, that is; screw the horrific excuse that we got here in the US).

[Squirtle]

Ok Guys , there is ONE big thing you are missing. There are 2 different types of Animation. There is "Anime" and there is "Cartoons". In my oppinion Pokemon goes in the Cartoon section and Yu-Gi-Oh Falls into the Anime Category.Lets Trace the Shows back to the newest seasons that are out in Amer. But get the Episodes in Japanese.

Recomended Age:

Yu-Gi-Oh!- Yu-Gi-Oh was mainly designed for teh attention of the older crowd. It was aimed for ages of 12-18 in japanese.

Pokemon- Pokemon is desgined for Ages 6-15 in Japansese.

Content:

Yu-Gi-Oh- In japenese Yu-Gi-Oh has some language and is a little more violent.

Pokemon- I japanese Pokemon is pretty much teh same a few different scences are cut , but pretty much no language no violence.

I only named 2 different things but That is pretty much like it is. Dont get me Wrong the pokemon TCG Kicks the Crap outta the Yu-Gi-Oh TCG , But Anime Hell no. Yu-Gi-Oh is an awsome Anime.

[Otaku]

Ok Guys , there is ONE big thing you are missing. There are 2 different types of Animation. There is "Anime" and there is "Cartoons". In my oppinion Pokemon goes in the Cartoon section and Yu-Gi-Oh Falls into the Anime Category.Lets Trace the Shows back to the newest seasons that are out in Amer. But get the Episodes in Japanese.

Recomended Age:

Yu-Gi-Oh!- Yu-Gi-Oh was mainly designed for teh attention of the older crowd. It was aimed for ages of 12-18 in japanese.

Pokemon- Pokemon is desgined for Ages 6-15 in Japansese.

Content:

Yu-Gi-Oh- In japenese Yu-Gi-Oh has some language and is a little more violent.

Pokemon- I japanese Pokemon is pretty much teh same a few different scences are cut , but pretty much no language no violence.

I only named 2 different things but That is pretty much like it is. Dont get me Wrong the pokemon TCG Kicks the Crap outta the Yu-Gi-Oh TCG , But Anime Hell no. Yu-Gi-Oh is an awsome Anime.
Okay, first, the differentiation between "anime" and "cartoon" is pretty varied. Some classify all cartoons set at a maturity level (not just sex and violence, but in terms of complicated plot and social issues) as "anime", but thats pretty rare. Most classify all Japanese cartoons of said maturity level as anime. I think that literal definitions would mean all Japanese animation, or at least a much wider variety of it would classify as anime: its more style than story based (e.g. both Pokemon and YGO animation would be anime).

Now, you do pretty good until you hit YGO Content. I finally picked up the Uncut DVDs (if you are a YGO fan, you will want them). Its not just missing violence and/or profanity; the actual storylineis butchered in the American version. I was so shocked; Jounochi (Joey) isn't an idiot, Anzu (Tea) is sweet and supportive while still being honest, instead of alternating between belittling and naive, and Honda (Tristan) actually gets to make the occasional insight! All the their VAs are better too (note: the main characters, not every VA). And all this was just in the first 6 Episodes.

Finally, and this is the most important:

The discussion is over which "cartoon" is better, so it's "American" Pokemon VS "American" Yu-Gi-Oh.

Thanks. ;)

[Marril]

There are two main points to be said...

1) Animé is simply animation from Japan. This encompasses all the genres and forms that it takes, from Hamtaro to Gundam to FMA to anything else from there. It's not a genre in itself, it's more of a "super-genre" like the word "cartoon" is. Animé is, well, the Japanese word for cartoon, in a nutshell.

2) Even just comparing their dubs, YGO comes out way ahead of Pokémon. 4Kids is a group of idiots, to be sure—like I've said before, rent a Pokémon movie DVD and listen to the audio commentary, it speaks for itself—but though Pokémon doesn't get hit as hard as YGO, it's still true that the Pokémon dub has all the intelligence of a brick behind its plot-writing. I've read better fanfics than the cheap, overly-recycled plots. At least YGO gets to have new main villains from plot arc to plot arc (note: Teams Aqua and Magma are secondary villains, Jessie and James are the primary ones).

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

Maybe a better way to judge is by seeing how well each achieves their goal? I see Pokémon as almost a sitcom, and YGO as a drama (or it wants to be one...).

So, I can honestly say that Pokémon has literally made me laugh out loud on occasions, and it at least at the level of funny as newpapers' comics pages. So, with that in mind, I say Pokémon achieves its goal pretty well and consistantly.

As for YGO, as a drama, it has yet to evoke any real emotional bind between the story or characters and me, the viewer. Not once has the gravity of a situation set in for me. The show just can't effectively communicate the intesity that it implies. In that regard, YGO simply does not achieve its goal as a drama.

With these considerations, I place the Pokémon animé above YGO.

[Marril]

Comparing Pokémon to the average TV sitcom is an auto-lose. Those shows, well, suck hard. Cheap laughs just stop being funny after the zillionth time.

[Otaku]

Comparing Pokémon to the average TV sitcom is an auto-lose. Those shows, well, suck hard. Cheap laughs just stop being funny after the zillionth time.

The main point of Psycho Lugia X's post was that Pokemon is geared towards being a simple, enjoyable show that has a good deal of action and humor to it. Yu-Gi-Oh (again, talking about 4kids made for TV dub) is the same way, only more forced since it is not supposed to be that way. What tastes better? A good hot dog or a gourmet meal that has been combined and blended into mush? Unless you have a particular aversion to Pokemon, its hard to believe you would enjoy that which was once great and is now turned into garbage.

[Marril]

I'll admit that I have a rather severe... dislike of the animé because it's a huge steaming pile, but my point was that a bad comparison can basically be the death sentence of an argument for something.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

Wait--my comparison was invalid? How so? Logically the best way to judge something is by seeing how well it achieves its particular goal isn't it? That way you can make a universal test for anything whose quality you want to assess.

To clarify, however, I suppose I should have labeled Pokémon an adventure/sitcom and YGO a...drama.

Fair?

[Edit--sorry for the dreadful typo!!]

[Marril]

If you're referring to what I said about comparing things to sitcoms, that was just a hyperbole.

Anyways, IMO, an attemped plot > no plot to begin with.

[Otaku]

If you're referring to what I said about comparing things to sitcoms, that was just a hyperbole.

Anyways, IMO, an attemped plot > no plot to begin with.

How does that matter here? See, I think I finally get the problem. You hate the Pokemon cartoon. Therefore, the Yu-Gi-Oh cartoon gets an "auto-win" in your book. Therefore, debating this with you further is pointless-because you don't like the show, it has no plot (instead of a simplistic one).

[Marril]

I actually don't like YGO as much as you're implying, it's just that I simply view it as being better. My reasoning behind Pokémon not having a plot is simple—it's always the same thing! Every season, Ash is doing nothing but running around getting badges, with Team Rocket cooking up a new scheme to steal The Rat every episode. Their attempt to give things a "fresh start" just feels like the beginning of the animé all over again. They finally let Ash bond with a few of his Pokémon, and then they go have him leave them all with Oak or whatever he did.

Don't get me wrong, they've done a few different plot arcs over the years (almost any movie/special, some of the animé mini-arcs like the Togepi arc, Lugia arc, etc), but they're just too ruddy short. In the end, you basically get a show that's the same every week, with only slightly minor variations on the same theme year after year.

YGO doesn't have a great plot, but at least its three major ones thus far (Duelist Kingdom, Battle City, Orichalos DOOM) have different villains with different aims each time. Pegasus was trying to amass all the Items so he could bring back the love of his life, Malik was just an insane bugger, and Dartz is stealing souls so he can revive Atlantis. Not the best material around, but it's better than countless seasons of a perpetual ten-year old trying to get a sequence of badges.

[=Blaziken=]

Well... I never liked YGO, but I think I'm getting the gist of the discussion here. I watched a few episodes of the anime and it was good.

Um, since i havent watched it all, please dont judge my comparison right away...

Pokemon
Goal: to become the master trainer or to beat the league. whatever
Style of episodes: battles, catching, sorta repetitive as some say

YGO
Goal: to become the master duelist, to beat that master whoever he is...
Style of episodes: step by step rise to the desired goal though its full of battles, its not as repetitive as Pokemon

[Otaku]

Marril: Actually, you'll nate that I said you hated Pokemon, not that you loved YGO. My implication is that you are taking something you at least enjoy to an extent and comparing it with something you hate means that, no matter how little you like YGO, as long as you absolutley do not like Pokemon, YGO will seem better to you.

Blaziken: This reminds me of a smilar arguement on why Mortal Kombat was better than Street Fighter I often found myself in back in highschool. Everyone said Mortal Kombat was great because they could count past two, e.g. we didn't see Street Fighter three for a loooooong time. However, as I pointed out (and many people have come to agree) that While Mortal Kombat 2 was a significant improvement over the original Mortal Kombat, the series did not significantly improve until Mortal Komba: Deadly Alliance (Mortal Kombat V, which was preceeded by multiple versions of III and IV). This was the exact reason we keep seeing Street Fighter games that aren't straight numerical sequals: there wasn't enough new material to satisfy Capcom, and they didn't want one of flagship franchises to be accused of stagnation a la the classic MegaMan series: while IV through VIII are different in many respects, they tend to blur... and thats spanning the original NES, SNES, and PSOne platforms! Now I enjoy all those series, but I learned that if its not really changed, don't claim its a true sequel: it's just the new "model". When Street Fighter III finally came out, it blew my mind: instead of adding on to the pile of old characters, we got new characters. Yes, many fed on past themes, but others at the least interesting variants or hybridizations. The game was fun and had a lot of game mechanic changes that really set it apart as different from past games.Now there are multiple versions of Street Fighter III: some charcters that were eliminated have returned, but Capcom realized that having too many old characters tended to just create a lot of baggage, and that such "giant" casts were better reserved for Street Fighter spin offs (the Alpha series) and "test subjects" (Capcom used games like Dark Stalkers to test possible new game mechanics for Street Fighter). And of course, every now and then we get some sweet hybrid games (how could Capcom not get the Marvel Liscense? I wanted to see Marvel Vs Capcom 3!).

The long winded point? Yu-Gi-Oh changes, but in fairly superficial ways. Yes, ther eis a new villain. Funny thing: they just can't stop "stealing souls". First Pegasus in Duelist Kingdom, then Marik in Battle City and now Dartz in the Doma story arc. We have new "villains", but for the most part they vaiants of each other. I am not thrilled with the stagnation of Pokemon, but at least they stopped trying to make superficial changes-it would have been lame for Butch and Cassedy or Team Aqua/Magma to have just been "palette swaps" of Team Rocket.

Now, this time, I haven't really listed ways that Pokemon is better than YGO. More like I pointed out the areas they both messed up in different ways.

[Marril]

Saying that YGO's constant "villain stealing souls" plot device is a bad thing about the series is like saying Pokémon's "gotta catch 'em all" plot device is a bad thing about the series.

Just sayin'.

[Otaku]

Saying that YGO's constant "villain stealing souls" plot device is a bad thing about the series is like saying Pokémon's "gotta catch 'em all" plot device is a bad thing about the series.

Just sayin'.

As was I. I thought I made that obvious. =/ Though to be fair, shouldn't we be comparing "Gotta Catch'em All!" to "Let's Duel [over everything and anything]" and the "soul stealing schtick" to the "rescue Pokemon from Team Rocket" repeats. All four of those things are tired and worn out. Pokemon, by its nature, can't really shake the "Gotta Catch'em All!" gimmick, but YGO wasn't always about the TCG. Even if you ignore things like Dungeon Dice Monsters (seems like everyone else did), YGO's earlier stories focused on games in general. So it is very possible for Yu-Gi-Oh to focus on something else, but it is unlikely for either of them.

[Articjedi]

It seems that this discussion is going from "which show is better" to "which show stinks less." I got sick of both the second they started getting repetitive. Just watch something less repetitive.

[pig19042001]

i sorry not to bash but i think pokemon tv show i not that good it was made for little kids :thumb:

[Marril]

Way to bump a month-old topic. Good job.

[BJJ763]

Yah and bumped topics get locked......