Espeon and Umbreon.

[Deoxys Cool Form]

So I started a new game on Soul Silver.

I decided to put these two in the team after trading two level 1 Eevee's at the start of the game from my brothers Heart Gold.

Now, I know they have to be happy to evolve.

I'm doing one at a time. I don't care which one I get first, but I don't want two of the same. What times of the day can you get each of them?

I know Rare Candy's make them happy. (Haven't got one yet though)

So I've attached a Soothe Bell to one of them.

I'm trying to groom them every day. (Only started today)

Also keeping him at the front of my team.

Is there anything else I can do to speed it up?

How many days will it take?

What's the best level to evolve them? I don't want them to skip out on any moves they'd learn as an Espeon and Umbreon. But I also don't want to evolve early, so that they don't learn any moves fr the rest of the game.

What's the best move set for each of them? I'm just doing it for the stroy mode by the way, nothing else.

Also, with the people that do the hair cut, I got told by one today along the lines of, I'm the cheapest and younger brother. I don't care how much it'll cost, but is one better than the other? When do they swap to another brother?

Well, I think that's it.

While I'm here, what's the best move set for Ferailigatr keeping in mind I'm just doing it for the story mode.

Thanks!

[Kayle]

For in-game anything works really. lol My favorite Umbreon set is Toxic, Moonlight, Payback (?), Confuse Ray. It heals, it stalls, it hits fairly hard.

Espeon is harder. Signal Beam, Psychic, Calm Mind and perhaps Baton Pass, but the lattermost would require you to keep it an Eevee a very long time. If not Baton Pass, maybe Morning Sun?

Eevee's moves, generally, are not that spectacular (with the obvious exception of Baton Pass), so I see no reason to not evolve them immediately. If you feel comfortable doing this, whenever I want to friend-evolve a Pokemon, I go to school without my DS and leave it plugged in with something weighing down the control pad, such that you are walking into a panel that pushes you back to where you started; I don't know if you can do this in HGSS, but it's possible in Fuego Ironworks and all. That aside, just walk around a LOT with them, groom them daily, etc, and you will be set.

I would imagine it would take about 3 days? But I don't have any hard evidence or numbers or anything ;P.

[baby mario]

Umbreon - Night - 8 PM to 4 AM

Espeon - Day - 10 AM to 8 PM

Giving them a ton of those vitamins that boost EV helps a lot with Happiness (Iron, Protein etc).

Umbreon gets Pursuit at LV 15 which is nice

Eevee doesn't learn anything very good for story mode, so don't bother waiting.

Umbreon is pretty bad in the game as there is no point having a wall or a Baton Passer to beat rubbish NPCs, and its ATK and SPA ATK are pathetic

Just give Espeon whatever cool Special attacks you want (like Psychic)

[Kayle]

Umbreon is pretty bad in the game as there is no point having a wall or a Baton Passer to beat rubbish NPCs, and its ATK and SPA ATK are pathetic

Since it's slow if you can use that Dark-type attack (I THINK it's called payback... haven't played vgs in soooo long...) it can still put a dent in stuff.

[Dragonflames1994]

Since it's slow if you can use that Dark-type attack (I THINK it's called payback... haven't played vgs in soooo long...) it can still put a dent in stuff.

Yeah, my Umbreon uses Payback and it is quite powerful. I <3 Umbreon! Mine knows Moonlight, Toxic, Payback, and Protect (Protect helps it stall so that Toxic can diminish the opponent better.) I also use protect when I get my Vaporeon to use Surf in 2-vs-2 battles. Yep, I have a whole team of Eeveelutions. :smile:

[Deoxys Cool Form]

Wow, thanks for all the advice guys!

[Deoxys Cool Form]

What do Signal Beam and Moonlight do?

Thanks.

[LegendaryLugia]

Signal Beam (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Signal_Beam)

Moonlight (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Moonlight)

[Deoxys Cool Form]

Thanks David :thumb:

[Regis_Neo]

I honestly prefer Espeon, it's much more of an attacker, which is what you'd really only bother with in-game, whereas Umbreon is obviously more tankish and takes longer to kill stuff.

[ultimatedra]

Umbreon is way too predictable. Protect, Mean look, toxic, wish w/leftovers is what everybody always runs (or there about)

[Pikamaster]

Umbreon is way too predictable. Protect, Mean look, toxic, wish w/leftovers is what everybody always runs (or there about)

Funny, the only thing that I run that's the same as that is Leftovers. xD

[espeon1]

Espeon is just better in general... lol.

Psychic (Level up to learn) Shadow Ball (TM somewhere) Calm Mind (TM or level I think) and 1 more move of your choice, preferably another attacking move because espeon isn't much of a wall, and it's too awesome to be death fodder :P Might want to try reflect though! I forgot about that. Added defense and Sp Defense from that and calm Mind can let it survive for a while longer. And reflect boosts the rest of your team's defense

[Deoxys Cool Form]

Well while Espeon may be better, I just want to play both.

What does wish do? I 'wish' I knew. (Cheesy joke ftw)

Can anyone help me with this:

What are the best 4 moves and items for the following:

Umbreon (what item?)
Espeon (what item?)
Dragonite
Entei
Raikou
Suicune

Then, where do you get the moves as TM's/HM's? If they learn them, what levels do they learn them at? Where do you get the items?

This means a lot guys, thanks.

[baby mario]

Dragonite

Earthquake
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Dunno . . . Flamethrower or something?

Entei

Fire Fang
Stone Edge
??
??

Raikou

Calm Mind
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Thunder Wave??

Suicune

Calm Mind
Surf
Ice Beam
???

You can fill the gaps with whatever you want as you are only trying to beat the game.

It would take forever to explain where to get every move.

Look them up on Bulbapedia (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Main_Page)

[Pikamaster]

Espeon is just better in general... lol.

Psychic (Level up to learn) Shadow Ball (TM somewhere) Calm Mind (TM or level I think) and 1 more move of your choice, preferably another attacking move because espeon isn't much of a wall, and it's too awesome to be death fodder :P Might want to try reflect though! I forgot about that. Added defense and Sp Defense from that and calm Mind can let it survive for a while longer. And reflect boosts the rest of your team's defense

In game, yes. But if it's in a competitive online environment then Umbreon is better by far, IMO. Rest/Curse/Sleep Talk/Payback is the best tanking set that I've ever made, yes, it is a Pikamaster custom set ™ . :tongue:

[ultimatedra]

Well while Espeon may be better, I just want to play both.

What does wish do? I 'wish' I knew. (Cheesy joke ftw)

Can anyone help me with this:

What are the best 4 moves and items for the following:

Umbreon (what item?)
Espeon (what item?)
Dragonite
Entei
Raikou
Suicune

Then, where do you get the moves as TM's/HM's? If they learn them, what levels do they learn them at? Where do you get the items?

This means a lot guys, thanks.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Wish_%28move%29
"The turn Wish is used, the user will make a wish. At the end of the next turn, the Pokémon in the user's current position will be healed by half its HP.

Wish can still be used even if the user's HP is full, but will do nothing if the Pokémon that should be healed has full HP. "

It is an egg move for eevee, so you have a male something (Like smeargle) that has the attack and a female eevee.

Here are the TM locations in HG/SS:
http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/tmhm.shtml

Here is the complete pokemon info (click the name of the pokemon you want):
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/

[Regis_Neo]

It all depends really when you're talking about movesets...literally anything will work in-game; I've always had Bite on my Espeon for its in-game moveset for example so that it could destroy other psychic Pokemon, along with stuff like Psybeam, Swift, and Morning Sun.

If you're looking for competitive movesets though, you may as well wait till after you finish the game, then properly breed/train your team, as except for sweeper sets, many of the competitive moves for tanking or stalling Pokemon (again, Umbreon here) take forever to work.

[Deoxys Cool Form]

Thanks for all the help.

I'm trying a new team out.

It involves Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno, Lugia, Ho-oh and Aerodactyl.

You Pressure all their Pokemon to waste all their PP.

Then, spam fly and the PP goes down even more while they do nothing.

Aerodactyl is to counter thunder Pokemon, and Zapdos kind of helps I guess as it doesn't have the weakness.

Is this any good?

What items and moves would you suggest for all of these?

Thanks!

What other Pokemon have Pressure?

[Regis_Neo]

Honestly...no. Pressure stall is nice, but remember everyone maxes PP in real life, so unless you're facing an opponent who's (rather dumbly) spamming their strong, low PP move, it's not as likely to work...not to mention that even if you do wipe out all the PP of 1 move, there's still 3 other possible damaging moves the opponent might have to work with. Now maybe in doubles if you're trying to Pressure that's nice...only again, there's the whole issue of opponents having more than 1 move to work with. Fly is also a dead giveaway to your intentions, and is largely just an easy chance for your opponent to switch in something to KO whatever is using Fly.

Aerodactyl is weak to Electric moves by the way, Rock is neutral to it; Ground is what you're thinking of to be immune to it.

Finally, if you really want to give it a go, throw Protect and Substitute on stuff to stall a little longer, but ultimately it can't work; you might eliminate a move out of their arsonal, but seeing as how you're up against an entire team of Pokemon...yeah.

As for your team itself, everything is weak to Rock, and 5/6 are weak to Electric. Not the best way of going about starting a team...try looking for other Pokemon that utilize Pressure. Plus Ho-Oh and Lugia are Uber, so unless you're not playing by standard (well, as standard as they can get) OU rules, can't use those 2.

[Deoxys Cool Form]

kk thanks for your input. I never knew that about rock being able to be hit by lightning.

What are the 6 best Pokemon to have in your team out of all of them?

What are the best moves and items to go with them too?

Thanks.

[Regis_Neo]

Depends...well then again, presuming you're not using OU Pokemon, only Zapdos is the most competitive out of the trio, Aerodactyl makes a decent lead but it really should be used more as a sweeper than trying to achieve a pressure stall.

[Deoxys Cool Form]

I meant out of every Pokemon ever created.

Wanted to try and get the best team with the best moves and items.

[baby mario]

Just use 6 Arceus.

Shiny ones :lol:

[Regis_Neo]

Just look up what Pokemon have Pressure then, out of Gen 4, 19 have it. Dunno about Gen. 5 yet, but there's likely some in there as well.

[PyroShizZz]

Just use 6 Arceus.

Shiny ones :lol:

Seriously? Lol don't uber them! Hahaha

[AyameHikaru]

Hey, shiny Arceus are legal now, thanks to the DW download. XD Getting 6 would be a chore, though.

[siloam]

Well while Espeon may be better, I just want to play both.

What does wish do? I 'wish' I knew. (Cheesy joke ftw)

Can anyone help me with this:

What are the best 4 moves and items for the following:

Umbreon (what item?)


I taught mine Psychic, Dig, Cut and and I keep Faint Attack. Obviously cut is for getting around, but the other three make a pretty good combo. I generally also carry Vaporeon with it, because it deals with the ground types that Umbreon is weak to. Umbreon is also weak to Fighting, but they are weak to Psychic. I find Umbreon's defense is high enough to allow it to win most of the time, but if not Espeon can come to the rescue.

But the thing I use Umbreon for most is not attacking. It is my cornerstone that can hold its ground while I heal up the rest of my team.

I am fond of using berries to hold instead of powering up moves. I hate dealing with status problems, thus Lum berries are my favorite for everyone.

Heather

[espeon1]

Lum berries are really useful on Espeon and Umbreon because of their synchronize ability. You paralyze, burn, or poison the other pokemon, and then the lum berry heals it off. :D

I would recommend staying away from Physical moves on Espon though.