Kingdra/floatzel awesome water deck

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

pokemon: 21

4 horsea
2 seadra
4 kingdra (prime)
2 floatzel gl
2 floatzel gl lv. X
2 uxie
1 azelf
2 whismur
1 loudred
1 exploud SV

t/s/s

3 bebe's
3 communication
2 pkmn collector
3 BTS
3 expert belt
3 Interviewer's question
2 premier ball
4 rare candy
1 luxury ball

15 :water:

this deck is pretty simple. It gets out kingdra prime as fast as it can, and uses floatzel to rescue it when it dies. Exploud is there so Luxray gl won't kill it in one hit, and the trainers get everything fast.

[UkeleleMilo]

-1 premier ball
-3 Interviewer's
-5 Water Energy

+1 Bebe's
+3 Cyrus's Conspiracy
+2-3 Seeker
+Secondary attacker. (possibly a Palkia G X?... Idk, can snipe the fire type that is wrecking Kingdra's damage output)

Those are my suggestions.

This deck needs 1 water energy to attack. 15 isn't needed.
Therefore, Interviewer's is dumb, Cyrus's would allow an attack and getting another supporter.

You may need seekers for uxies and whatnot, also damaged Kingdras can be recycled...

Secondary attacker: I don't know who it should be, somebody with low attack costs and is water type because Kingdra only does 30 damage whenever a fire type is out on their side. I suggested Palkia because it can snipe for 80 and is water... You also don't have a massive bench. (Exploud, Kingdra, and Floatzel. But, if you played a palkia, you could seeker up one of them--kingdra--)

[Rambo]

Er..the most obvious one would be the older kingdra? It can do a potential 80 for 1 energy and 20 to the bench, then a huge set up next turn. I'd recommend doing what ukeleleMilo has done, but also

-2 Kingdra Prime
+2 Kingdra LA

[UkeleleMilo]

HA! how'd I miss that? that's SOO common sensical! :p
Yeah. i'd do that too.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

Oh, good. I don't have 4 kingdra primes, I was just hoping to some day get them. I have 2 kingdra LA which is the kind you were talking about.

also, why take out premier ball? it is the main thing to get dead floatzel lv. X back or get them from the deck. Also, should I add pokemon rescue for floatzel gl?

[UkeleleMilo]

I didn't say take them out. I said take 1 out. If you have 1 in the discard, the other is useless... read the text. It should just be replaced with a pokemon communication or bebe's or something... it becomes a dead card after 1 is played.

[chase4787]

I didn't say take them out. I said take 1 out. If you have 1 in the discard, the other is useless... read the text. It should just be replaced with a pokemon communication or bebe's or something... it becomes a dead card after 1 is played.

Your thinking luxury ball

[chase4787]

Also, should I add pokemon rescue for floatzel gl?

I'd go with aaron's collection personally. Then you can get both it and the lv x back

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

oh, good idea! one or two?

[UkeleleMilo]

Oh sorry, I've never used premier, and when i read my friend's i though 'oh, it's a lvl x luxury' sorry for assuming that :p

[chase4787]

oh, good idea! one or two?

I'd start with 2, just cause Floatzel is pretty fragile with Luxray around, but if things get cramped you could probably afford to drop 1.

Oh sorry, I've never used premier, and when i read my friend's i though 'oh, it's a lvl x luxury' sorry for assuming that :p

no worries

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

right now, I think this is the decklist:

4 horsea
2 seadra
2 kingdra prime
2 kingdra LA
2 floatzel gl
2 floatzel gl X
2 whismur
1 loudred
1 exploud SV
2 uxie LA
1 azelf LA

2 aaron's collection
3 cyrus's conspiracy
3 bebe's
3 pkmn communication
3 seeker
3 BTS
4 rare candy
3 expert belt
1 luxury ball
2 pkmn collector

10 :water:

+3 cards

let me know if I forgot anything and please add any good suggestions.

[chase4787]

I never really felt like exploit was ever necessary, other than that, looks solid. Have you tested it much yet?

[Rambo]

Depending how lucky you feel as a player, I'd consider putting in super scoop up for speed, to use continuous uxies.
It also helps in the same sense seeker can help, by healing a massively damaged kingdra.
Playing 1 mespritt may also be an option.
This deck also lacks a starter pokemon so Smeargle would look good, I'd recommend any of these:

+3 SSU

+2 Smeargle
+1 Unown Q

+1 Mespritt
+2 Smeargle
+1 Unown Q
-1 Water Energy

Hope this helps.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

Depending how lucky you feel as a player, I'd consider putting in super scoop up for speed, to use continuous uxies.
It also helps in the same sense seeker can help, by healing a massively damaged kingdra.
Playing 1 mespritt may also be an option.
This deck also lacks a starter pokemon so Smeargle would look good, I'd recommend any of these:

+3 SSU

+2 Smeargle
+1 Unown Q

+1 Mespritt
+2 Smeargle
+1 Unown Q
-1 Water Energy

Hope this helps.

smeargle doesn't really help much unless my opponent has a lot of supporters. would jirachi (with detour) or sableye SF be better options for starters?

@chase4787: the whole reason exploud is there is to protect kingdra and floatzel from nast electric pokemon *cough* luxray gl *cough*. It is there as a support card and is not there to attack except in extreme circumstances.

[chase4787]

I know why he's there. I just never felt, during the time he was hyped, it was worth adding another stage. 2. Any deck with Luxray is usually Sp meaning it's fast and even if you do get it set up, they can always bright look it active. Just my experience though, test it and see how it works for you.

[Rambo]

Er..most decks use a lot of supporters, especially vilegar, and they can even have cyrus to get your energy you need.
If you want this to be speedy you want to be able to play 2 supporters on turn 1, which smeargle can do, then retreat for unown q. Smeargle is like a sableye without ending your turn, and jirachi requires itself to die pretty much. If you do play jirachi, also include twins.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

okay, I understand. I will just have to come up with another mesprit and 2 smeargles, that's all. I already have 3 super scoop ups.

---------- Post added 03/29/2011 at 05:10 PM ----------

anyone know where to get mesprit and two smeargles? League is too far for me and I don't have time to search through the trade thread long enough to find someone who has them and who wants what I have.

---------- Post added 03/29/2011 at 09:46 PM ----------

If I take out exploud SV, what should I add?

[chase4787]

I'd just focus on speed to counter luxray. It's super fast and pretty much the only electric type ever used. The only 3 scenarios I can see are:

a) You don't set up exploud fast enough and your king or sea dras get OHKO'd with Lucario before you can use the body
b) your Loudred get dragged up and taken out
c) your exploud gets dragged up and taken out or put in your way as a wall while Garchomp Drush's your bench

But if you're having good luck with it, go with it and maybe add some warp energy.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

exploud always was the slowest part, but I don't know what else to add! Also, when you say speed, what do you mean? kingdra often gets out on the first turn when I play horsea, rare candy, kingdra, then water energy (and occasionally expert belt); but I don't know how to make it faster than some SP decks. I am pretty sure some people play magnezone as well...

[Rambo]

It is speedy, can be speedier, but he means the exploud is very slow to set up, so rely on kingdra to take out sp's before they lv up.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

how should I make it speedier?

[Rambo]

I meant it can be speedier than kingdra. Replace the exploud with some trainer cards that improve speed, or other pokemon or something.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

would chatot MD be a good starter for its mimic?

---------- Post added 03/30/2011 at 04:24 PM ----------

what trainer cards or pokemon specifically do you mean, rambo?

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

@chase4787: Do you think I should still add warp energies even without exploud?

[chase4787]

couldn't hurt I suppose. Warp + Seeker is always good

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

how should I improve my trainer engine to make it faster? rambo hasn't really answered that particular question, but maybe you know what he is talking about.

[chase4787]

Look toward donk decks for trainer speed. Cards like Pokedex, poke drawer + and quick ball can help

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

Look toward donk decks for trainer speed. Cards like Pokedex, poke drawer + and quick ball can help

what about pokeradar? I don't have any pokedrawer +, unfortunately, but I have pokehealer +s. would they help?

[chase4787]

it's not a tank deck so no, I don't think it would. If you can get ahold of 4 pokedrawer + (*cough*mytradethread*cough*) you would benefit strongly from them.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

When you say that you "don't think it would," are you referring to pokeradar, or pokehealer+?

[X_empoleon_X]

He was refering to Poke Healer+ (It's not a tank deck) but in either case, Poke radar isn't good either as most times you'll just find pokemon you don't need when you could just play Pokemon Communcation and Bebe's Search to get the pokemon you do need at that time.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

all right, let me see... I think that this is the deck list at this point:

pokemon:

x4 horsea
x2 seadra
x2 kingdra prime
x2 kingdra LA
x2 floatzel gl
x2 floatzel gl lv. X
x2 uxie
x1 azelf
x2 smeargle

t/s/s

x4 rare candy
x4 pokedrawer +
x3 bebes search
x3 pkmn communication
x3 seeker
x2 aaron's collection
x3 BTS
x1 luxury ball
x3 expert belt
x3 cyrus conspiracy

x10 water energy
x2 warp energy

---------- Post added 04/01/2011 at 02:01 PM ----------

would jirachi or sableye be better than smeargle because of the high supporter count, or is smeargle still better?

[Rambo]

Since the idea of this deck is speed, you'd want smeargle, because it doesn't end your turn. And you can continue your turn afterwards. You also need Unown Q.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

how many unown Qs? keep in mind that I also have expert belt in this deck, and I can't attach both.

[Rambo]

1 Unown q, its for the smeargle anyway, so expert belt can stay on kingdra.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

what should I take out to add the unown Q?

---------- Post added 04/02/2011 at 10:51 AM ----------

you people are giving me plenty of things to add, but nothing to take away. There isn't room in the deck for all of this stuff!

[Rambo]

Take an aaron's out for an unown q.
I hate to add another thing, but you need pokemon collector, er..take out 1 bebe's and 1 communication for 2 of them.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

here is a list of t/s/s cards and support cards that have suggested:

x3 super scoop up
x2 warp energy
x2 aaron's collection
x1 luxury ball
x2 premier ball
x3 pkmn communication
x2 pkmn collector
x3 bebe's search
x2 pokedex handy910is
x1 unown Q
x3 BTS
x3 cyrus's conspiracy
x3 expert belt
x3 seeker
x2 smeargle

I think this is it. I can only fit in 24 of these cards. Which ones should I add? Most all of these seem important, so I think it is best to have a mix. What mix should I have? please state your opinion, everyone.

[Rambo]

1 Aaron's
2 Collector
1 Unown Q
3 BTS
3 Cyrus
3 Expert Belt
3 Seeker
2 Smeargle
3 Pokemon Communication
1 Luxury Ball
2 Bebe's Search

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

Are you sure floatzel can be resurrected enough with only one aaron's? If floatzel gets KOd, it is unlikely that I will have the aaron's at the same time. Is it a good idea to take out a seeker and add an aaron's? seeker is not really that important to the strategy, it seems, and aaron's also lets you get back energy.

---------- Post added 04/03/2011 at 03:17 PM ----------

I just realized that when I said there was room for 24 cards, I was including 15 water energy. There is room for 2-5 cards more now.

---------- Post added 04/03/2011 at 09:09 PM ----------

would bubble coat work as a protector against luxray? Kingdra can take one down in two hits.

---------- Post added 04/03/2011 at 09:19 PM ----------

It might also be a good idea to put some junk arms in this deck to get back rare candy after I use seeker.

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

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