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Charizard3712
10/25/2011, 07:58 PM
Wow didn't see this coming at all. Having a new type in the card game is going to be really interesting. I'm curious if they will do like they did when Dark and Metal were introduced, make them special energies instead of basic. What do you guys think?

vaporeon
10/25/2011, 08:02 PM
I do thinks dragons should be their own type but they would seem really overpowered.

yuki_potsd
10/25/2011, 08:04 PM
i think they may just go straight forward and make basic and maybe a special energy. but what kind mechanic would it have? maybe the possible special energy will give resistance against all other types and give dragon pokemon 2x weakness against other dragons.

Charizard3712
10/25/2011, 08:07 PM
I'm curious of what color the Dragon energy will be, I'm thinking maybe Gold or a bunch of colors mixed together, kind of like they did with the darkness/metal energy a while back. Also how will prereleases work?

BlastBurn
10/25/2011, 08:16 PM
Wow... This is new! Dang, something is about to become really popular...

Shen
10/25/2011, 08:18 PM
Awesome, now I have to buy theme decks to stock up on dragon energy >.>

cabd
10/25/2011, 08:18 PM
Hold up. Is this CONFIRMED? I'd like a link to an official announcement before we go about speculation.

immewnity
10/25/2011, 08:22 PM
Hold up. Is this CONFIRMED? I'd like a link to an official announcement before we go about speculation.

All your answers are in the original thread (http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=155991).

Charizard3712
10/25/2011, 08:24 PM
Apparently on pokebeach, WPM says that on yahoo's official shopping site that they say that the new Dragon Selection set will not only be all holo but will introduce a new appearance of the Dragon type.

---------- Post added 10/25/2011 at 10:27 PM ----------

All your answers are in the original thread (http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=155991).

This thread can be more about speculation of what the Dragon type will look like, what it will do for the game, etc. That thread is normally talking about the Dragon Selection set as a whole and didn't originally say there was a new type being added to the TCG.

Poke Trainer J
10/25/2011, 08:29 PM
I do thinks dragons should be their own type but they would seem really overpowered.

I still don't get why they waited this long just to add a new Type, they should've done it 12 years ago along with :dark: and :metal:. They knew how popular Reshiram and Zekrom would be so they think that by adding a new Type it would balance things out a bit I guess.

And for anyone wondering yes, since Rainbow Energy counts as every Type of Energy in the game itself Dragon Energy can be paid with Rainbow Energy at the cost of a damage counter. I still think it's a bit surreal and weird that they've decided to do this. My mind has been blown...

Charizard3712
10/25/2011, 08:30 PM
That would be pretty cool to see Zekrom, Reshiram, and Kyurem as a Dragon type.

immewnity
10/25/2011, 08:37 PM
This thread can be more about speculation of what the Dragon type will look like, what it will do for the game, etc. That thread is normally talking about the Dragon Selection set as a whole and didn't originally say there was a new type being added to the TCG.

It took a while to get noticed; an entire day. But now, it's up to the mods to decide.

ANYWAYS. Why this before a Bug-type? Dragon-types usually fit fairly well in Colorless or their own type, while Bug-types have been swapped between types.

vaporeon
10/25/2011, 08:38 PM
I still don't get why they waited this long just to add a new Type, they should've done it 12 years ago along with :dark: and :metal:. They knew how popular Reshiram and Zekrom would be so they think that by adding a new Type it would balance things out a bit I guess.

And for anyone wondering yes, since Rainbow Energy counts as every Type of Energy in the game itself Dragon Energy can be paid with Rainbow Energy at the cost of a damage counter. I still think it's a bit surreal and weird that they've decided to do this. My mind has been blown...

They should have done it. Maybe they will have a restriction of on 4 Dragon type pokemon in a deck. I can't really think of a special effect for the energy because both effects are taken. Maybe the energy will count as 2 energy when attached to a dragon.

Charizard3712
10/25/2011, 08:45 PM
It took a while to get noticed; an entire day. But now, it's up to the mods to decide.

ANYWAYS. Why this before a Bug-type? Dragon-types usually fit fairly well in Colorless or their own type, while Bug-types have been swapped between types.

Since Genesect is a Bug type will it be possible when he gets debuted that they will introduce a new Bug type?

Poke Trainer J
10/25/2011, 08:48 PM
Oh so now we're gonna guess what Special Dragon Energy is going to do? Let's see here. Special :dark: added 10 to any attack an attached :dark: Pokemon would do, Special :metal: reduced 10 damage from an attack for each of that energy that is attached to the :metal: Pokemon.

So something of that nature maybe?

Charizard3712
10/25/2011, 08:50 PM
Oh so now we're gonna guess what Special Dragon Energy is going to do? Let's see here. Special :dark: added 10 to any attack an attached :dark: Pokemon would do, Special :metal: reduced 10 damage from an attack for each of that energy that is attached to the :metal: Pokemon.

So something of that nature maybe?

I was thinking it may provide fire, electric, and water at one time. Or maybe give the Dragon type a free retreat or more HP?

darth_vader
10/25/2011, 08:58 PM
Wait, they won't errata Zekrom and reshiram to make them dragon now, would they?

Most dragons are dual type. I think the only dragon-only pokemon is druddigon.

Frost
10/25/2011, 09:01 PM
Dratini, Dragonair, Bagon, Shelgon, Axew, Fraxure, Haxorus.

This is such a strange move IMO. It's coming SO late and splitting Dragon and Colorless wouldn't have been my first choice, to be honest. (Rock/Ground and Fighting or Bug from Grass would have been higher priorities for me.) Dragon in the games is already one of the smallest types and now the existing Dragons are probably going to be spammed in the TCG if they feel it necessary for each set to have a few Dragon-type cards. Kind of like how every Fire and Electric Pokemon in the video games has a higher number of cards than Pokemon from the other types.

Envoyofduels
10/25/2011, 09:05 PM
I think that the great thing about this is that they will make dragon pokemon who are not dragon-type into dragons(down the line). Examp. Charizard.

Poke Trainer J
10/25/2011, 09:06 PM
I don't get why they would make Charizard a Dragon Type Pokemon card, it hurts the way the video game franchise intended the Pokemon to be which is Fire/Flying. At first glance it looks like a Dragon but it's not. Alot of people might not like that idea that TPCi could take a Pokemon that looks like a Dragon Type but isn't in the video games and turn it into a Dragon Type in the TCG.

TPCi has tried to stay true with the video game franchise in the creation of what Types to make for specific Pokemon in the TCG for example Donphan being Fighting even though it's a Ground Type. Most Ground Type Pokemon in the TCG are Fighting while Ice Type Pokemon are Water Types in the TCG. That's just how it works, messing that up would upset some people.

Envoyofduels
10/25/2011, 09:16 PM
I don't get why they would make Charizard a Dragon Type Pokemon card, it hurts the way the video game franchise intended the Pokemon to be which is Fire/Flying. At first glance it looks like a Dragon but it's not. Alot of people might not like that idea that TPCi could take a Pokemon that looks like a Dragon Type but isn't in the video games and turn it into a Dragon Type in the TCG.

TPCi has tried to stay true with the video game franchise in the creation of what Types to make for specific Pokemon for example Donphan being Fighting even though it's a Ground Type. Most Ground Type Pokemon in the TCG are Fighting while Ice Type Pokemon are Water Types in the TCG. That's just how it works, messing that up would upset some people.

*sigh*, you obviously do not know what I am trying to say or mean.

vaporeon
10/25/2011, 09:22 PM
If they made types for each video game type, it would make the game too hard for the younger kids who play. I'm fine with how things are now but then again, all the ice types have metal weakness so who knows. What they should do is give the birds their own type.

psychup2034
10/25/2011, 09:22 PM
I don't get why they would make Charizard a Dragon Type Pokemon card, it hurts the way the video game franchise intended the Pokemon to be which is Fire/Flying..

They would never make Charizard (http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=11731) any type other than Fire or Flying.


This is such a strange move IMO. It's coming SO late and splitting Dragon and Colorless wouldn't have been my first choice, to be honest. (Rock/Ground and Fighting or Bug from Grass would have been higher priorities for me.)

I think another thing to think about is marketing. It is much easier to market Dragon type cards than Bug, Rock, or Ground types. Dragons are just intrinsically more exciting for much of the card game's target demographic.

Charizard3712
10/25/2011, 09:26 PM
*sigh*, you obviously do not know what I am trying to say or mean.

I was saying the same exact thing on the pokebeach forums about how Charizard would be cool to get changed to a Dragon type but I was saying that as a fan of Charizard lol but it could be possible that they would change Charizards type in the Video Game to Dragon. In the TCG they turned poison types like Muk into psychic types when really they are not psychic at all. They did that just bc psychic types are weak towards poison types in the game, they may as well and make all types into the TCG that we are missing: Ice,Poison,Bug,Flying,Ground,Rock,etc. but it could get really confusing I guess. Oh well we will have to wait and see what happens until everything unfolds. :biggrin:

Gengar
10/25/2011, 09:51 PM
Maybe we'll be seeing split types again in the future

Sceptile King
10/25/2011, 10:07 PM
I'm amazed and heart broken.
Reason being as everyone else said, "Why not making dragon a type itself when we got :dark: & :metal: ?"

CMsvW
10/25/2011, 10:54 PM
I'm so scared it will somehow be broken. If not. OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY

TheRolesWePlay
10/25/2011, 11:35 PM
Am I the only one who is skeptical? I mean "the Dragon Type" could mean a number of things such as a delta species counter part, or even just a slight vague reference to dragon types. Also distributors have been known to mess things up before. In any case I'm going to wait for physical evidence to make judgement on these cards.

supertyranitar
10/26/2011, 12:08 AM
I'm not sure WHAT to think right now. My head is spinning in excitement, though.

Tash
10/26/2011, 12:33 AM
Like I speculated in the previous thread, there might be some logic in suddenly doing this now.

Dark and Steel types being added to Pokemon was a HUGE deal in Gold and Silver. Due to the fact that there were only a small handful, they decided to turn them into "special" types that could only function with the use of a limited energy card (and both the energy and Pokemon, even Magnemite, were rare). Along the way, Dark and Steel slowly lost their luster and became regular types with a gimmick attached. Finally, they decided that it had been 10 years since Dark and Steel were "new and cool", so they gave them a basic energy. Now that Dark and Steel have become lost what made them unique, they might want to implement a new type to take over the "this type is different than the other types" position.

If they were going to pick a type for this purpose, Dragon was the obvious choice. All of the in-game dragons are either final evolutions, legendaries, or at least relatively rare.

Nintendan
10/26/2011, 03:36 AM
Just saw this on the Beach and thought "WHAAAAAT!?"
I'm really excited for this! Go Pokémon!

Victory Bell
10/26/2011, 04:40 AM
I'm really curious as to what Dragon's weakness will be. Because giving it colorless doesn't make sense now I think Dragon will generally be weak to either Dragon itself or the other type of the Dragon Pokemon.

Here's hoping their color is gold and the new "tradition" of Dragons like Hax having no weakness doesn't stand.

Ness
10/26/2011, 05:17 AM
I'm really curious as to what Dragon's weakness will be. Because giving it colorless doesn't make sense now I think Dragon will generally be weak to either Dragon itself or the other type of the Dragon Pokemon.

Here's hoping their color is gold and the new "tradition" of Dragons like Hax having no weakness doesn't stand.

Maybe no weakness? That was the theme in the early days with Dratini, Dragonair, Dragonite...

shinygyarados
10/26/2011, 05:44 AM
As excited as I am for more types, could it be that this set is all unplayable cards? Japan has had those before, with things like movie promos, and the imakuni sets right? It could be that this is just a new, one of, not allowed in tournaments deal.

Rambo
10/26/2011, 05:46 AM
I don't like them doing it this late on, unless they bring back dual types again, which should be a laugh.

Oh well, at least hopefully Dragon's won't be weak to normal/flying type pokemon in the tcg.

Victory Bell
10/26/2011, 06:19 AM
Needs more duel types. They defiantly need to be more commonplace. I don't know why but Delta and duel types just added another layer to cards that I loved.

I really don't want Dragons to have no weakness. There would have to be no good ones if that were the case. They'd be just to powerful. (Think what Garchomp Lv.X or Salamence Lv.X would be like with a constant bubble coat)

CyberManectric
10/26/2011, 06:53 AM
Dragon Types, wow that is an interesting move. I really hope they'll divide other types in the near future. Namely Poison, especially after the terrible decision to make them :psychic: in the card game.

I still wonder if Dragon Pokemon will be weak to other Dragon types like they were in the past or if they'll be given their Ice weakness, or in the card game :water: weakness.
~Cyber~

Spartacus
10/26/2011, 07:22 AM
Color orange hasnt been used yet...

homeofmew
10/26/2011, 07:52 AM
How about Dragon type Energies?

Charizard3712
10/26/2011, 08:18 AM
I counted how many Dragon, Darkness, and Steel types that are out right now and I came up with a total of 29 Dragon, 36 Dark, and 35 Steel (That's including Genesect). 29 for one type isn't that bad, when Dark and Steel were first introduced we only had Murkrow, Sneasel, Steelix, and Scizor, which explains why they made only special dark and steel energies. It wasn't until they made a bunch of new steel and dark pokemon and changed some of the older pokemon to those types that we got basic dark and steel. It's also possible that they are thinking of creating a lot of dragon types for Gen 6 but that won't be for a while.

paschalsprinter
10/26/2011, 09:08 AM
i'm super mega excited for this. i think the most logical for a special energy would be for it to supply fire, lightening, and water all at once because having it supply two dragon energies at once could end up being a little broken. (not that i would complain about that) So in any case i cannot wait to see what the cards in that set will look like.

bullados
10/26/2011, 09:30 AM
I counted how many Dragon, Darkness, and Steel types that are out right now and I came up with a total of 29 Dragon, 36 Dark, and 35 Steel (That's including Genesect). 29 for one type isn't that bad, when Dark and Steel were first introduced we only had Murkrow, Sneasel, Steelix, and Scizor, which explains why they made only special dark and steel energies. It wasn't until they made a bunch of new steel and dark pokemon and changed some of the older pokemon to those types that we got basic dark and steel. It's also possible that they are thinking of creating a lot of dragon types for Gen 6 but that won't be for a while.

How many pseudo-dragons like Charizard are there in this universe?

Also, compare the number of Dragons to the number of Fire and Electric types as well. I think that Fire and Electric are the next least represented TCG energy type after Dark and Steel, but I could be wrong...

peadawg14
10/26/2011, 10:13 AM
Color orange hasnt been used yet...

Being a University of Georgia fan who absolutely hates the color orange...I really hope not. :lol:

ogremarauder
10/26/2011, 10:23 AM
Sounds like a good pre April "fools". We'll see......

bullados
10/26/2011, 10:44 AM
Being a University of Georgia fan who absolutely hates the color orange...I really hope not. :lol:

I'm a Bears fan who absolutely hates the colors of Green and Yellow. Your point?

Rambo
10/26/2011, 10:46 AM
I'm a Bears fan who absolutely hates the colors of Green and Yellow. Your point?

No grass type or electric type pokemon for you then :D

peadawg14
10/26/2011, 10:58 AM
I'm a Bears fan who absolutely hates the colors of Green and Yellow. Your point?


It was a joke. You know...hahahaha?

MetaArmor
10/26/2011, 10:59 AM
I fell like the Dragon type will be a "special type" in the TCG considering the small amount of actual dragons. Maybe limiting how many of the type can be in a deck and/or having the whole type do something special. Because Dragons are weak to themselfs, it would be an interesting addition. Before you mention psychic being weak to psychic, remember that Ghost is also thrown into the "Psychic type" which are weak to dark.

Chompy
10/26/2011, 11:12 AM
Here's what were missing

Colorless= Flying
Fire= N/A
Water= Ice
Grass= Bug, Poison
Electric= N/A
Psychic= Ghost
Fighting= Rock, Ground
Dark= N/A
Steel= N/A
Dragon= Now that it has it's own type finally

Basically, were missing 7 alternative types, and the creators could somehow make the games more balanced by not dealing with the 2x weakness and resistance factor. I mean Typhlosion could easily OHKO Beartic with the x2 weakness factor, where as Beartic shouldn't be dealing 100 damage, since Ice is ineffective against Fire Pokemon.

You know what doesn't make any sense is Kingdra having a x2 weakness to electric when electric attacks deal neutral damage to Kingdra (Water/Dragon) in the video game. I could understand if Kingdra had water as it's only solo type, but the fact that it has Dragon as it's dual type means that electric attacks are ineffective. Meaning electric attacks deal neutral damage to Kingdra and therefore Kingdra's weakness should've been Dragon in the first place. Since Dragon attacks are effective against Dragon type Pokemon

Dragonflames1994
10/26/2011, 12:21 PM
This is awesome...Dragons definitely deserve their own type. I wonder what the color for these will be? Gold would be epic win.

Rambo
10/26/2011, 12:59 PM
No the Drapion SF (http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=41026) being weak to Psychic made absolutely no sense.

Then of course in a later set, Drapion TM (http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=51041) is resistant to psychic..

Shino Bug Master
10/26/2011, 01:06 PM
Elektross being weak to Fighting. Eternal Moldbreaker/Gravity is lame D: Ground types that arent resistant to Eletric are weird (and plentyful).

But i have to agree, Gold would be a great color for dragons. Especially holographic dragons :D

StormFront
10/26/2011, 01:08 PM
I wonder if they'll be reprinting special :dark:&:metal: in future sets. Better hope we get a CL-ON rotation instead of a BW-ON that Japan will get. I'm not taking this news too seriously because remember what happened when an unofficial source told us we were getting "new primes" in CoL?

sleep lock
10/26/2011, 01:18 PM
I would of split psychic and poison because i dont see how poison is related to psychic except for the PURPLENESS

Envoyofduels
10/26/2011, 01:24 PM
I would of split psychic and poison because i dont see how poison is related to psychic except for the PURPLENESS

Yeah, I think the same thing. I think that Poison is more often then not from a natural source, and what type is representative of natural things? Grass.

Mewtral
10/26/2011, 01:43 PM
I am glad this idea wasn't around for SP's. (ahemLuxChompahem) But You know, I actually hope dragon energy is the only basic energy you can only have 4 of.
I mean, treating it as a searchable special type energy would be so fun, and yet so challenging. (The games say it's the most difficult type to master.)

MiniWade
10/26/2011, 04:04 PM
I'm betting that it's color will be light purple and dark blue how it's shown in the video games.

ElectivireFan15
10/26/2011, 04:25 PM
My guess is that they will be spreading the release of Dragon-types over the course of several sets, with the debut release having 5 or so Dragon Pokemon. But, I also think that we wont be getting them very soon at all, since thats how releases for the U.S. usually go. Just my opinion though.

PokePop
10/26/2011, 04:30 PM
I really hate having to keep info like this to myself until some other site reveals it....

Anyway, yes, Dragon type is real. It is not a joke or a mistranslation.
What will the type symbol look like?
Will it just be Special Energy?

Have to wait for someone else to reveal that. *sigh*

Bleak
10/26/2011, 05:53 PM
Thanks for the confirmation, Pokepop. I was pretty skeptical, myself.

Dootar
10/26/2011, 06:25 PM
WOW! this is incredible news!

As for the weakness of the dragons, I think it would be fair to say the weakness is Dragon itself! who agrees?

vaporeon
10/26/2011, 07:45 PM
What if the dragons have special abilities if they have a dragon energy attached to it. Kind of like the React Energy, but in order to activate non ability, second effects.

Medaforcer
10/26/2011, 08:44 PM
Oh how exciting to know it is true. : )

JandPDS
10/26/2011, 10:40 PM
We might not get any dragon energy. Maybe it will be a dragon type but no basic or special dragon energy.

Reshiram could be dragon type but use fire energy. Zekrom dragon type but use electric energy and so on.

Nintendan
10/27/2011, 03:21 AM
My guess is that the colour is either a light, icy blue or a vibrant orange.

Envoyofduels
10/27/2011, 10:26 AM
My guess is that the colour is either a light, icy blue or a vibrant orange.


While we are throwing colors out there, how about Emerald Green?

dancingaway
10/27/2011, 01:37 PM
WOW! this is incredible news!

As for the weakness of the dragons, I think it would be fair to say the weakness is Dragon itself! who agrees?

As regards weakness, for the time being i think it's fair to say that weakness will be none! Someone pointed out that this is how dragons started but look at Haxorus and Druddigon in the upcoming Noble Victories, both without a weakness.

It almost seems like they were paving the way for Dragon-type.....

TheRolesWePlay
10/27/2011, 02:34 PM
If the Dragons are any good then they had better have a weakness. Weather it be to themselves (which hopefully mean no special Dragon energy) or the fairly common water. Given how important Weakness has been this format, then they'd possible be broken otherwise.

As for color I'd bet it'll be a Bluish-Purple, Orange, or Gold.

Thoughtwavemachine
10/27/2011, 03:32 PM
I'm super excited about the news :)! And I can't really undestand peobple whining about this: "another type should have gotten their own type" etc. At least something new like this happens :) 2012 is "dragon's year" according to chinece horoscopes, soo it kinda makes sense.

As for the weakness of the type I'm with TheRolesWePlay: it's either dragon or water (ice). I'm sure the colour of the type will sport blue and red, just as in the games.

Regis_Neo
10/27/2011, 04:10 PM
Honestly, seems rather pointless since there are so few Dragon types to even draw Pokemon from unless they go all Delta Species on us again. Definitely not going to be a game-changer unless they decide to make them broken on purpose.

djjoe227
10/27/2011, 04:15 PM
Why is everyone debating color? Dragons have always been colorless unless they've been dual-typed (Such as Reshiram and Zekrom).

To me, Dragon Type is just a new symbol. The only time color is ever even mentioned/considered are in Double Colorless Energy or in Rainbow Energy (And it's various versions, and only as flavor). There is no "Search for a green Pokemon", it's "Search for a :grass: pokemon"; not "Weakness REDx2", but rather "Weakness :fire:x2". This isn't Magic The Gathering :nonono:

A pokemon's type is determined by the symbol in the corner of the card, not the color of it's border. That part could be Pink or Brown for all I care.

SpecialDragonType
10/27/2011, 04:38 PM
Will it just be Special Energy?

Have to wait for someone else to reveal that. *sigh*

So you are confirming that there will be Special energy, but unless someone claims to reveal the fact that there is basic energy also, you won't confirm?!?

Well I might not have the facts to back this up, but I have heard there will be a Basic Dragon Energy Card.

AND that the Special Dragon Energy Card won't be defensive like steal or offensive like dark, but full of fail like dragon attacks normally are.

Dragon attacks are usually 100 percent accurate, but in the TCG they all have on thing in common. You must flip two coins and if either/both of them are tails the attack fails.

This is how they will nerf the dragon attacks.

djjoe227
10/27/2011, 04:54 PM
Dragon attacks are usually 100 percent accurate, but in the TCG they all have on thing in common. You must flip two coins and if either/both of them are tails the attack fails.

I can actually only think of a few, the more recent being Dragonite TM.


Every other example of a Dragon I searched for has discarding energy as a drawback. If I were to guess what Dragon Energy would do, is that it would be a Rainbow Energy card when in play and attached to a Dragon type; this would benefit all dragons that need to discard energy of various types, covering any required energy costs for those dragons while providing Dragon type energy to a non-dragon type pokemon.

PokePop
10/27/2011, 06:02 PM
So you are confirming that there will be Special energy, but unless someone claims to reveal the fact that there is basic energy also, you won't confirm?!?



I am confirming no such thing.

otarolgam
10/27/2011, 07:24 PM
Why is everyone debating color? Dragons have always been colorless unless they've been dual-typed (Such as Reshiram and Zekrom).

To me, Dragon Type is just a new symbol. The only time color is ever even mentioned/considered are in Double Colorless Energy or in Rainbow Energy (And it's various versions, and only as flavor). There is no "Search for a green Pokemon", it's "Search for a :grass: pokemon"; not "Weakness REDx2", but rather "Weakness :fire:x2". This isn't Magic The Gathering :nonono:

A pokemon's type is determined by the symbol in the corner of the card, not the color of it's border. That part could be Pink or Brown for all I care.
Hey, we're all just guessing the color for fun. No real reason other than to scratch at our brains what it will be.

TheRolesWePlay
10/27/2011, 10:20 PM
Dragon attacks are usually 100 percent accurate, but in the TCG they all have on thing in common. You must flip two coins and if either/both of them are tails the attack fails.

This is how they will nerf the dragon attacks.

So I must have imagined Dragonite ex (delta)'s Dragon Roar, or Salamence SW's Dragon Finish, as well as Garchomp C's Dragon Claw and Dragon Rush attacks, and most recent Outrage for the three mascots of BW. Two of which are VG attacks the others made for TCG. In all seriousness I doubt that the cards would be nerfed due to attacks, but probably for some other requirement, such as a special energy cost or even the mixed energy cost that dragons have had, but with less awesome attacks.

I'm still unsure about the whole split. Sure it's going to breath some new life into the game, but they just reintroduced EXs, an effect that hasn't been fully seen yet. However, I'm still intrigued to see what they do with it. All I hope is that it won't break the game, which is unlikely if it's supposed to be a mainstay of the game.

Further I wonder if this is a prelude to something like the Trainer re-branding in Japan's HS was to the sub-classifications.

SpecialDragonType
10/27/2011, 10:54 PM
So I must have imagined Dragonite ex (delta)'s Dragon Roar, or Salamence SW's Dragon Finish, as well as Garchomp C's Dragon Claw and Dragon Rush attacks, and most recent Outrage for the three mascots of BW. Two of which are VG attacks the others made for TCG. In all seriousness I doubt that the cards would be nerfed due to attacks, but probably for some other requirement, such as a special energy cost or even the mixed energy cost that dragons have had, but with less awesome attacks.

I'm still unsure about the whole split. Sure it's going to breath some new life into the game, but they just reintroduced EXs, an effect that hasn't been fully seen yet. However, I'm still intrigued to see what they do with it. All I hope is that it won't break the game, which is unlikely if it's supposed to be a mainstay of the game.

Further I wonder if this is a prelude to something like the Trainer re-branding in Japan's HS was to the sub-classifications.

Those are great examples Dragon attacks, but look at it this way..
The three dragon type attacks with dragon in their name are Dragon Rage, Dragon Steam, and Dragon Stamp:
[2] Dragon Rage (50) Flip 2 coins. If either of them is tails, this attack does nothing.
[4] Dragon Stamp (80) Flip 2 coins. If both of them are tails, this attack does nothing. If both of them are heads, the Defending Pokemon is now Paralyzed.
[W] Dragon Steam (60) If your opponent has any R Pokemon in play, this attack's base damage is 20 instead of 60.

Which one stands out? The one that doesn't fail when you get tails.

Then there is "Twister" which isn't being used by any dragon pokemons, but is technically a dragon type attacks. This is TM Pidge
[3] Twister (30) Flip 2 coins. If both of them are tails, this attack does nothing. For each heads, discard an Energy attached to the Defending Pokemon.

Including Outrage, 3/5 of the currently modified Dragon Type attacks fail under tails.

TheRolesWePlay
10/27/2011, 11:46 PM
Those are great examples Dragon attacks, but look at it this way..
The three dragon type attacks with dragon in their name are Dragon Rage, Dragon Steam, and Dragon Stamp:
[2] Dragon Rage (50) Flip 2 coins. If either of them is tails, this attack does nothing.
[4] Dragon Stamp (80) Flip 2 coins. If both of them are tails, this attack does nothing. If both of them are heads, the Defending Pokemon is now Paralyzed.
[W] Dragon Steam (60) If your opponent has any R Pokemon in play, this attack's base damage is 20 instead of 60.

Which one stands out? The one that doesn't fail when you get tails.

Then there is "Twister" which isn't being used by any dragon pokemons, but is technically a dragon type attacks. This is TM Pidge
[3] Twister (30) Flip 2 coins. If both of them are tails, this attack does nothing. For each heads, discard an Energy attached to the Defending Pokemon.

Including Outrage, 3/5 of the currently modified Dragon Type attacks fail under tails.

But that can be said for many types. All type moves have their good and bad appearances, and the bad Dragon moves are only more noticeable because there are fewer of them. I'm not going to defend the bad ones, but as you said 3/5 are bad, but that's a pretty small pool of attacks that will likely increase with the appearance of the new Dragon Pokemon, and we still have yet to see a Dragon Tail attack. As for the ones you pointed out Dragon Rage is supposed to be a powerful, but risky attack in the TCG (ie Magikarp MT) and Dragon Steam is 60 base for 1 energy, and the nerf is only to keep it from being too broken, and Dragon Stamp is just another example of Dragonite's unfortunate fall into mediocrity.

Plus if they want to push Dragon types, they may make brand new attacks like in the case of Dragon Roar, and feature new powerful attacks like they've done in the past. That's also the reason why the TCG is so different from the VG, they can make new attacks to balance the meta.

SpecialDragonType
10/28/2011, 01:13 AM
Plus if they want to push Dragon types, they may make brand new attacks like in the case of Dragon Roar, and feature new powerful attacks like they've done in the past. That's also the reason why the TCG is so different from the VG, they can make new attacks to balance the meta.

Of course they will make brand new attacks powerful like they've done in the past. There is no doubt about that.

And they will balance them so that they don't disrupt the meta.

But how?

..Flip 2

TheRolesWePlay
10/28/2011, 01:15 AM
Or they might make them counter certain cards in the meta.

King Piplup
10/28/2011, 04:01 AM
Of course they will make brand new attacks powerful like they've done in the past. There is no doubt about that.

And they will balance them so that they don't disrupt the meta.

But how?

..Flip 2

Then again, who says they will balance them out?

thisguy
10/28/2011, 09:54 AM
Calling this now, new Dragon-type special energies (yes plural) will affect the Resistance of the card that they are attached too (will only work for Dragons of course).

SpecialDragonType
10/28/2011, 01:21 PM
Then again, who says they will balance them out?

That's true. Nobody knows for sure if they will be balanced or not. And the people that might know, aren't talking.

Then a NEW dragon attack is revealed in Noble Victories:
[C][C] Dual Chop: Flip 2 coins, this attack does 50 damage times the number of heads.

It doesn't state it clearly, but if you flip two tails... the attack really doesn't do anything but fail.

4/6 "Dragon" attacks do nothing if you flip two tails.