E-Card Sample? [Archive]

DarkLordSigma

02/22/2005, 04:01 PM

I don't think many PokeGymers know about my English Pikachu Collection, but what I'm doing is collection one each of every different Pikachu card ever printed in English. Currently there are 46 different ones (including Promos and ones from Sets), 29 of which I own. Everywhere from my Jumbo, Poketour, and W-Stamped to my more common Gym Heroes/Challenge and Neo Genesis Pikachus.

Anyway, one Pikachu I've heard about, but never seen, is the "E-Card Sample" Pikachu. What is it? Is there a scan of it anywhere? What is the story behind this card?

the_sniper

02/22/2005, 04:39 PM

Ask Pokepop about it. I saw him commenting on the sample cards in another thread.

leunglg

02/22/2005, 04:49 PM

It is a card with "sample" stamp on.

PokePop

02/22/2005, 06:01 PM

Why do you keep saying that it has "sample" stamped on it?
Dooskoop or Godtrainer, you guys have these cards. Any stamp on them?

Oak

02/22/2005, 06:09 PM

The following cards have back as Japanese VS set, English front from the Expedition set with "Sample" printed in the lower right corner of the cards above the number (so it is not stamped, it is a part of the card design) and apparently were printed as the sample for the Expedition set:

002/093 Hoppip
004/093 Koffing
016/093 Pikachu
019/093 Gastly
021/093 Machop
042/093 Machoke
048/093 Chansey
074/093 Rapidash
083/093 Pichu
088/093 Machamp

I myself have only Koffing.

PokePop

02/22/2005, 06:27 PM

Hmm. News to me. Thanks for the correction.

[Emily Litella] Never mind. [/Emily Litella]

Water Pokemon Master

02/22/2005, 08:07 PM

I remember those. They were giving them out at one of those Nintendo conventions when the e-reader first came out.

Oak

02/22/2005, 08:36 PM

No, they weren't given out at the convention. Only Hoppip and Pichu (without word "sample") were given out at E3. These were manufactured for the stores like Pokemon Centre at New York so that the store staff can demonstrate the E-reader games and features to customers.

Water Pokemon Master

02/22/2005, 08:37 PM

Close enough. :p

PokePop

02/22/2005, 08:44 PM

Close enough. :p
As close as a Loudred is to a Blaziken ex.
Both good, but only one makes people go, "ooooooooh".

TheDarkTwins

02/22/2005, 09:27 PM

LOL...
Drew

GodTrainer

02/22/2005, 10:21 PM

Why do you keep saying that it has "sample" stamped on it?
Dooskoop or Godtrainer, you guys have these cards. Any stamp on them?

ok heres the deal to with the sample cards

right before the english release of nintendo first set (the transistion between nintendo and WOTC) there were 13 cards printed up for "sample" reasons

THESE CARDS WERE NOT PRINTED BY NINTENDO OR WOTC
they were printed by creatures inc and just creatures inc i belive
the copyright on the bottom just has creatures inc ( i beleive, i have not look at these for quite some time)

HOWEVER they were given to nintendo to use as samples

each of these 13 cards has the word "sample" in black (not raised) in the lower right hand corner
also of note, is the font and placement of these cards is alittle off from the finnal versions, because i guess they were still debating what to use

there were only 4 sets of 13 produced

the story goes that a person inside Nintendo scoped them up and put them on ebay. (this i can not confirm)

although i can confirm that they were all originaly on ebay by the same seller, all 4 sets.

some were sold individually, some as a set

i bought my first one, rapadash, individually for $120

WHY YOU ASK?

these were the first cards to be produced it the new style, even before the hoppip and pichu promos, besides the fact that i collect all forms of one offs (ps, if anyone as the english VS cards, pm me, well talk...) IT was soooooo cool to be the first to have an "nintendo" card

then they gradually came on ebay one at a time, unill i emailed the seller, and asked him if he had anymore, which he informed me he did. To which i replyed, i wanted to buy an entire set, and to which i did, for an amount that i do not wish to disclose

so in all there are 13 cards
i do not know the list off hand, cause they are in a fire proof safe in NJ and im in MI at college

but i do know of

rapadash
pikachu
pichu
hoppip
and i think lavitar

i would scan, but again, no cards with me.....

hope this helps some :clap:

(and NO these are NOT for sale or trade, so dont even ask :wink: )

Water Pokemon Master

02/22/2005, 11:00 PM

Wow, I guess these cards are rarer than the pre-release Raichu. :)

(I guess now that it is impossible to ever collect every single English Pokemon card in existance.)

leunglg

02/23/2005, 12:34 AM

Yes he sells on ebay cuz I got an offer of $650 on pikachu alone! :eek:

BJJ763

02/23/2005, 04:39 AM

right before the english release of nintendo first set (the transistion between nintendo and WOTC) there were 13 cards printed up for "sample" reasons

The cards were printed way before the transition - like just before Expedition came out. And since WotC did not print them, they were very interested in them. If memory serves, they were used to promote the e-reader at a special function at the Pokémon Center and given out to participants at this special function.

Rare but not as rare as Prelease Raichu.

Oak

02/23/2005, 04:50 AM

Here we go again... Although each seller on e-bay included in the card description that only a few were printed, I know that the certain cards from this set were at least on 10 bids at one time on e-bay. I bought mine from the seller in Italy for $70, who told me that her store got them for demonstartion purpose. PCNY gave away 20 of these sets befor eExpedition came out. There is no Creatures at the bottom of the card, there is only Pokemon. A certain WOTC employee confirmed the background info on these cards on this board and asked if anyone wanted to trade them. A proud owner of the English VS set cards is on this board too, and he told me a year ago that they are worth a few thousand $. Since I didn't have funds, I didn't continue discussion. Once again, there are more than four sets of them.

PokePop

02/23/2005, 05:26 AM

Note that the Sample cards and Prerelease Raichu should not be considered "released".
One is an error that has, to my knowledge, remained in the posession of WotC employees (or ex-employees).

The sample cards were given out to non-employees, but were not released or awarded to any member of the public.

Collectible? Yes. But they should not be included in a collection described as "released cards".

The English VS set WAS released and only to the very few participants of the TMB 2002 from English speaking countries. Less than a handful of sets, I believe.

As for the samples not being produced by Nintendo: Maybe strictly correct. But only if the Japanese cards are not produced by Nintendo. I examined a Sample Koffing, Japanese Koffing, and English Koffing for the above mentioned WotC employee and in my somewhat expert opinion, the Sample card had cardstock and printing identical to the Japanese card and were produced by the same source.

dooskoop

02/23/2005, 08:04 AM

right before the english release of nintendo first set (the transistion between nintendo and WOTC) there were 13 cards printed up for "sample" reasons

Not quite sure where the 13 number comes from. The list of 10 Sample cards that Oak listed is complete and correct as far as I know. And also as Oak mentioned, there are certainly more than 4 sets of them. I knew a guy (who has since passed away) who had two complete sets, I have a set and you (Godtrainer) have a set. Oak has a Koffing, so there are at the very least 5 of those. I bought my cards one at a time on eBay from multiple sellers - some in the US, one in Canada and a couple from Europe (I forget exactly where now). The only place I heard of them being given out is the Pokemon Center in NY, but European sellers had them on eBay just as fast as the US and Canadian sellers.

dooskoop

02/23/2005, 08:08 AM

Currently there are 46 different ones (including Promos and ones from Sets), 29 of which I own. Everywhere from my Jumbo, Poketour, and W-Stamped to my more common Gym Heroes/Challenge and Neo Genesis Pikachus.

I count 52 Pikachus on my checklist.

GodTrainer

02/23/2005, 03:30 PM

Not quite sure where the 13 number comes from. The list of 10 Sample cards that Oak listed is complete and correct as far as I know. And also as Oak mentioned, there are certainly more than 4 sets of them. I knew a guy (who has since passed away) who had two complete sets, I have a set and you (Godtrainer) have a set. Oak has a Koffing, so there are at the very least 5 of those. I bought my cards one at a time on eBay from multiple sellers - some in the US, one in Canada and a couple from Europe (I forget exactly where now). The only place I heard of them being given out is the Pokemon Center in NY, but European sellers had them on eBay just as fast as the US and Canadian sellers.

you guys are probaly right, as far as more then 4 sets.. That is what i assumed, becuase the only peroson ive beable to talk to about this was they guy that i got my set off ebay from (we all know how reliable those guys can be :rolleyes: )

i do remember that now, yes they were printed BEFORE expedition

and they don only say pokemon on the bottom

there were only 10 (i forgot that i had doubles of some, and most of the time i only count my stack of screw cases that these reside in, so thats where i got the 13 number from)

they are NOT as rare as prerelease raichu
they are NOT as rare as upside down WB mewtoo
they are NOT as rare as english VS
they are NOT as rare as english finnalist tropical wind

i would place a complete set rarer then a set of semi, quater, and top16 tropical wind cards

(ps, who ever has the english VS set, please email me.....SERIOUS money could be exchanged for them :wink: )

leunglg

02/23/2005, 04:10 PM

you guys are probaly right, as far as more then 4 sets.. That is what i assumed, becuase the only peroson ive beable to talk to about this was they guy that i got my set off ebay from (we all know how reliable those guys can be :rolleyes: )

i do remember that now, yes they were printed BEFORE expedition

and they don only say pokemon on the bottom

there were only 10 (i forgot that i had doubles of some, and most of the time i only count my stack of screw cases that these reside in, so thats where i got the 13 number from)

they are NOT as rare as prerelease raichu
they are NOT as rare as upside down WB mewtoo
they are NOT as rare as english VS
they are NOT as rare as english finnalist tropical wind

i would place a complete set rarer then a set of semi, quater, and top16 tropical wind cards

(ps, who ever has the english VS set, please email me.....SERIOUS money could be exchanged for them :wink: )

How "serious" would the money be? And which ones?
A. 0-200
B. 200-500
C. 500-800
D. 800+

PokeMeBob

02/23/2005, 05:19 PM

Here is the picture of the complete 10-card "sample" set.

http://members.aol.com/pokemebob/SampleSet.jpg (http://members.aol.com/pokemebob/SampleSet.jpg)

TheDarkTwins

02/23/2005, 07:28 PM

How "serious" would the money be? And which ones?
A. 0-200
B. 200-500
C. 500-800
D. 800+
You do know the English Vs Set is valued at over 10,000....
Drew

PokePop

02/23/2005, 08:02 PM

You do know the English Vs Set is valued at over 10,000....
Drew
Is there a transaction or an offer that this is based on?

GodTrainer

02/23/2005, 10:27 PM

You do know the English Vs Set is valued at over 10,000....
Drew

this comming from the same person that thinks a wailordEX is worth 30, a dark dragonite error is worth 150 (one of your current auctions, and i just bought one for 50!) the same person who charges 16 to ship a SINGLE box of cards? :thumb:

Dom

02/24/2005, 12:20 AM

The quality on those cards is terrible. I'm glad they're only samples :) But then again it would be pretty neat to have something as rare as that, even if there is more than four of each >____^

I'll give you a near mint base Chansey and a jungle primeape for a set?

TheDarkTwins

02/24/2005, 04:20 AM

this comming from the same person that thinks a wailordEX is worth 30, a dark dragonite error is worth 150 (one of your current auctions, and i just bought one for 50!) the same person who charges 16 to ship a SINGLE box of cards? :thumb:
No Need to Flame Me...
If you all dont remember there was someone on the board who had his set appraise and i think they valued it at 10,000+ when were we discussing this like 6 months ago... And Yes i do think wailord is worth that mucn because i can sell it for that much... but i never said that i thought draggy was that much... i am just trying to sell it for that much... i am also letting you know that that is the actually shipping cost so PLEASE BACK OFF... i didnt do anything to you for you to FLAME ME OR TARGET ME...
Drew

PokePop

02/24/2005, 06:44 AM

Just because a card sells lower one day than it did some other day does not invalidate the higher "value".
With collectibles you have to be aware of a range of value for a card.

Also, eBay is more like a wholesale value that a retail value for cards.
If there are very few of a thing available, the eBay value approaches the retail value. However, once the quantity being sold increases, you start seeing a discounted price winning on eBay. For example, take a pack of cards. That has a retail value of $3.29 or $3.49. But would you buy a pack on eBay for that much? No. You're used to getting the wholesale price off eBay for packs like that.
Similarly, when you get a holo card for $1.00 on eBay, that does not mean the retail value of that holo is $1.00. It could be retailed for $5.00 is some shop. Same with the Wailord ex. That sells regularly on eBay for $20-30. If sold in a shop, you'd probably see a $50 price tag on the thing. You don't have to be willing to pay that much yourself. But obviously, some people are willing to do it!

dooskoop

02/24/2005, 08:07 AM

You do know the English Vs Set is valued at over 10,000....
Drew
Um...Just for the record, I'd sell my set for $10,000.00 :)

DarkLordSigma

02/24/2005, 10:14 AM

Sorry I've been away folks. Spent the last two days building my new desktop.

Anyway, thanks a lot for the info and scans everyone! But now the real problem is actually finding copies. Some of you are saying there are only 4 copies of this elusive Pikachu out there, others are saying that there were hundreds, probably even thousands. So who's got the real scoop?

butterfly719

02/24/2005, 10:36 AM

Drew - I'm not trying to flame you, but which shipping company do you go through that it costs $16 to ship a single box? As I'm also a seller on Ebay, I know that thru USPS and UPS, a single booster box could be shipped within the US easily for $10 or less (regardless of buyer's location). Not sure about FedEX though as I never use them..

I would assume that you'd charge an extra "handling fee" to cover your seller and store fees..because I would as I know Ebay charges an arm and a leg :wink:

PokePop

02/24/2005, 10:54 AM

I just paid $14.50 to ship a box of cards to England via USPS airmail.

TheDarkTwins

02/24/2005, 12:28 PM

Supplies and such Cost Money Too...
So I have that added in...
Drew

GodTrainer

02/24/2005, 12:39 PM

was not ment to be a flame

see pm

Oak

02/24/2005, 01:13 PM

It is not 4 and it is not hundreds or thousands. It is more than 4 and the real number is unknown. From time to time try search on e-bay "pokemon sample" and maybe you'll be lucky. Maybe the guy above with 13 of them (including doubles) has 1 Pikachu for sale.

DarkLordSigma

02/24/2005, 10:36 PM

I count 52 Pikachus on my checklist.

Huh? Let's compare notes...

Promos: (19)
1st Edition "Ivy" Pikachu (#1)
Unl "Ivy" Pikachu (#1)
WB Movie Pikachu (#4)
"Birthday" Pikachu (#24)
Non-Holo "Birthday" Pikachu (#24)
Flying Pikachu (#25)
"Snap" Pikachu (#26)
"Bumblebee" Pikachu (#27)
Surfing Pikachu (#28)
First Tin Pikachu (#013)
e3 Red Cheeks
e3 Yellow Cheeks
PokeTour 1999
W Stamped Jungle
CD Promo
Latios Trainer Kit
Grey-Star Pikachu
"Sample" Pikachu
JUMBO BS Pikachu

Sets: (27)
1st. Edition BS Red Cheeks
1st. Edition BS Yellow Cheeks
Unl. Shadowless BS Red Cheeks
Unl. Shadowless BS Yellow Cheeks
Unl. BS Yellow Cheeks
Unl. BS Yellow Cheeks 4th Print
1st Ed. Jungle
Unl. Jungle
BS2
1st Ed. Gym Heroes
Unl. Gym Heroes
1st Ed. Gym Challenge
Unl. Gym Challenge
1st Ed. Neo Genesis
Unl. Neo Genesis
Legendary Collection
Legendary Collection RH
Expedition
Expedition RH
Skyridge
Skyridge RH
Sandstorm
Sandstorm RH
Magma VS. Aqua
Magma VS. Aqua RH
FireRed LeafGreen
FireRed LeafGreen RH

Dom

02/24/2005, 10:49 PM

Wow a lot of Pikachus!

D'y'know, Deoxys was the first time there has been two consecutive sets without a Pikachu and/or Raichu in them.

DarkLordSigma

02/24/2005, 10:54 PM

Wow a lot of Pikachus!

D'y'know, Deoxys was the first time there has been two consecutive sets without a Pikachu and/or Raichu in them.

That's interesting to note.

And yes, there are certainly a lot of Pikachus. One day I just said to myself "Hmm. Pikachu is the mascott of Pokemon. Why not collect his cards?" I figure one day they'll be collectable to (1) Pikachu collectors, (2) Pokemon collectors, and/or (3) Pokemon card collectors. 20 years from now people will pay some serious bucks for a complete mint set, wouldn't you think?

Dom

02/24/2005, 11:15 PM

Indeed. It might be a nice collector's item to get ahold of every english language Pikachu. I'm interested to know what these missing 6 are, because I can't think of any missing from that list.

Is there a no "e" Sandstorm one or something? I hear newer print runs of Sandstorm have lost the barcodes.

DarkLordSigma

02/25/2005, 09:54 AM

Well, although I'm not up on EVERY Pokemon card set out there, if there IS an English VS set, I believe that accounts for 2 Pikachus (assuming there's an RH). And there could also be 4 from English VS since VS had a 1st Edition Print in Japan (I have a Japanese 1st Ed. VS Pikachu). However, that still leaves 2.

PokePop

02/25/2005, 10:12 AM

The English VS set was a gift to Tropical Mega Battle participants from English speaking companies. Extremely limited production. only one edition.

I'm impressed you have the CD Pika listed. Most people miss that one.

In addition to the sample Pikachu, there is also the E3 "e" Pikachu, given in a pack with an e Hoppip and some other cards. It has the Japanese back.
Are there any Pikas in the Trainer decks, A or B?
What is Unl Base Set 4th print?

Oak

02/25/2005, 11:00 AM

What is CD Pikachu? Are we talking about English or Japanese? I remember only singing Jiggly promo #7 was in CD. Was there any in the World decks?

dooskoop

02/25/2005, 11:05 AM

What is CD Pikachu? Are we talking about English or Japanese? I remember only singing Jiggly promo #7 was in CD. Was there any in the World decks?
CD Pika is an English Shadowless version of the yellow-cheek base Pikachu that came in a Japanese CD with a bunch of other Japanese promos. I bought one of these CD's and the card looked exactly the same as my regular base Pikachu so I didn't include it on my list (although I still have the card). I have heard other people say that the card is different. Any other opinions?

PokePop

02/25/2005, 11:07 AM

CD Pika is an English Shadowless version of the yellow-cheek base Pikachu that came in a Japanese CD with a bunch of other Japanese promos. I bought one of these CD's and the card looked exactly the same as my regular base Pikachu so I didn't include it on my list (although I still have the card). I have heard other people say that the card is different. Any other opinions?
The card is detectably different.
It is printed on Japanese card stock.
That is the only difference that I could see. It also comes with a Japanese sheet "translating" the card text back into japanese!

DarkLordSigma

02/25/2005, 12:25 PM

Base Set 4th Print run just has different dates at the bottom. It says 1999-2000 Wizards instead of just 1999 Wizards.

As dooskoop has informed me, there are a number of other Pikachu cards that I'm missing, which include...

* 2 more versions (from the 2 I have) of Sandstorm Pikachu
* 2 more versions (from the 2 I have) of FireRed LeafGreen Pikachu
* A Stampless #4 Promo Pikachu
* A Base Set 1st Edition Yellow Cheeks Pikachu with the D missing from the 1st Edition Mark (wasn't that an air bubble or something?)

That's 6 + 46 = 52.

TheDarkTwins

02/25/2005, 12:29 PM

I would take an Educated Guess That if there is a Promo Movie Mewtwo that has an Upside Movie sign Chance are there is prolly a pikachu one... Wouldnt That Bring the Total to 53??
Drew

PokePop

02/25/2005, 12:36 PM

DarkLordSigma

02/25/2005, 12:42 PM

Well, dooskoop knows the story behind this 1st Edition Pikachu error/misprint/whatever. I'm just making guesses.

TDT: I suppose its a possibility. I've never seen one, nor have I heard about one from anyone. Of course, even the upside-down Mewtwo was little known until I brought it up in a topic a month or two ago.

EDIT: For those who are wondering the difference between the Sandstorm and FRLG Pikachus, its the serial numbers. The first 6 numbers are the same, but the last 3 are different.

For Sandstorm its 8E5, 7J9, and JTR.

For FRLG its FB5, GF6, and BOP.

Apparently the RH/AH's all have the same numbers.

I wonder if this applies to the Magma VS. Aqua Pikachus too? Are there another 2 I'm missing?

dooskoop

02/25/2005, 01:18 PM

Eh. Printing bubbles, unless repeated with a significant amount, such as "Ed d" Butterfree" fall into unique misprints more than "error cards" that you could list. How often has this "E_ 1" Pikachu been reported or seen?
I've seen a 1st Ed Pika where the stamp is mostly missing, only traces of it on the card here and there. I wouldn't add that in to the list either.
'Pop, I've been lobbying unsuccessfully for years to add the "E_dition" Pikachu error to the holy canon list of true Pokemon errors. It is very clearly an error card, not a misprint. I have owned two of them (I now only own one) and I have seen 6 others just like it on eBay. Not only is the "d" missing in "edition", but the entire "1" (as in 1st edition) is missing as well. The rest of the letters spelling out "e_ition" are printed very clearly and completely in light grey ink and only in outline form, not in solid black, like all other 1st edition stamps. It is not mostly missing with traces here and there. I can send you a scan if you'd like to see it.

Kelly/dooskoop

PokePop

02/25/2005, 01:27 PM

I'm not saying I wouldn't want one, but it seems that this is related to the card that I saw where most of the stamp was missing. Obviously, some printer was running out of ink and the operator wasn't paying attention. So we have some Pikachus (and other commons?) where the stamp is faded/partially missing.
Does that rise to the level of error card? Maybe. If enough people think so, then I guess it does.
We have a pretty good collection of "top tier" collectors here. Let's start a topic on it and discuss.
I'll start it in single cards.