small but strong team?!

[Canadian Bacon]

I am trying to make a team that has the least mount of people, but includes as many HM's as possible and as many types as possible. This team must include Torchic and its evolutions, someone who can fly and someone who can surf. Just say your suggestions and so it doesnt sound like a poll, write a simple reason why I should choose that team.

*please and thank you*

[Canadian Bacon]

I know that some people have looked at this post. HOW COME NO ONE HAS ANSWERED?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Sea Crobat]

you might try a salamence for the fly.

[Kyfogre22]

Salamence + Blaziken + Gyrados + Tropius = Über four

[Canadian Bacon]

I dont know about Salmance, He is too hard to raise. But, so far I have a Nuzleaf(lv.19), Combusken(lv.19), and a Slakoth(lv.17). I already evolved my Slakoth, but then my batteries died and I never got to save him. Oh Yeah! I actually managed to get a female torchic, I am going to raise a team of Blazikens after i beat the game. Just add onto the team I already have, OK.

[Kyfogre22]

umm... hard to raise? most good pokemon are.

If you are trying to do it the fastest and easiest way possible, dont call it a small but strong team.

[Canadian Bacon]

Its not just too hard to raise, its just, i cant get a bagon until i get waterfall (unless i trade one from a friend), thats too long. By then i will already have my team picked out and raised. i wont really want to drop someone just to get a flier. but then again, what level does Bagon turn into Shellgon, then into Salmance? If i find that out, then maybe i will choose to raise him. tell me ok. also, what other pokemon should i use? i was thinking in the end: Slaking, Blaziken, Shiftry, Magneton, Salmance (maybe), and Wailord. If not Salmance i would choose Flygon or the Lati in my game.

Heres my team now:
name/level/moves
Combusken/22/double kick, peck, focus energy, ember
Vigoroth/22/fury swipes, yawn, faint attack, slack off
Nuzleaf/21/fake out, cut, bullet seed, nature power

improve on it

[Kyfogre22]

shiftry aint great, take him out for salamence:
Bulk up/dragon claw/earthquake/???

Slaking's traunt makes him terrible to battle with and raise.take him out for vileplume, movelist should contain toxic.

Also, Bagon evolves at level 30, and into salamence at 50. Bagon is only catchable at level 37-42.

[Canadian Bacon]

Ill Probobly add Bagon just because usually when i beat the final gym leader, my people are around the levels you can catch him at. Also. I am choosing Slaking because at level 43 Vigoroth learns Focus Punch, along with his yawn well, thats just a good combo. just add on to focus punch and yawn, he must know them. I think you are right about shiftry, I think ill take him out for Vileplume instead of Slaking. Do you approve of the rest of the team that i put up? Please Respond, and how about someone else other than Kyfogre22 respond too.

[Sea Crobat]

What Kyfogre said about Bagon only being catchable at lv. 37-42 is false. I found a male Bagon lv. 32 and a female Bagon(which I caught and raised to a Salamence), which was Lv. 25.

[Canadian Bacon]

fine! ill keep looking until i find one that strong so that he will fit, Happy?!?!?!?!?!?!

(not meant in a bad way)

[Canadian Bacon]

i guess no one is answering because it is 1:10 there, its only 8 here.

[Canadian Bacon]

scratch what i said about Vileplume. I dumped Nuzleaf (after all he did for me) for a Roselia. I just beat Wallace (or what ever the lightning leaders' name is) and Roselia is level 22, he knows mega drain, Cut, leech seed, and stun spore.

[SwampertEX]

Try Bellossom. I currently have a Bellossom with Sunny Day, Solarbeam, Petal Dance, & Magic Leaf. Don't underestimate him! He may be small, but he packs a powerfull punch!

[Spectreon]

I like the Bellossom moveset, but I would raise one with Syntesis instead of Petal Dance and either Sludge Bomb or Toxic instead of Magic Leaf. A Pokemon doesnt really need 3 different attacks of the same type. This also works well for a Vileplume, and Plume gets STAB for Sludge Bomb as well as Solar Beam. The whole concept revolves around Sunny Day. Chlorophyl increases speed, Solar Beam takes only 1 turn, and Synthesis restores more HP while Sunny Day is going on.

[Canadian Bacon]

sounds ok, but i'm still going with Roselia. This is my team now:
Name/Level/attacks
Combusken/28/peck,rock smash, double kick, ember
Vigoroth/28/fury swipes, yawn, faint attack, shock wave
Roselia/29/Mega Drain, cut, magical leaf, grasswistle

i dont know if i should ad a grumpig, because i found a spoink (for the first time) should i? if not then i will just go with these three and salmance.

[Canadian Bacon]

My team has grown a lot since last night. Here they are:

Name/level/attacks

Vigoroth/36/slash, yawn, faint attack, shock wave
I didnt let him evolve because at level 43 he learns focus punch. In the end he will know slash, focus punch, yawn, shock wave/facade}which should i choose out of these two.

Roselia/37/Giga Drain, cut, Magical leaf, grass whistle. in the end she will know: Grass whistle, giga drain, cut, sludge bomb

Blaziken/38/double kick, quick attack, rock smash, blaze kick. My pride and joy! This and Politoed are my favorite pokemon. I cant get Politoed in Ruby so i have Blaziken. Her (i got a female! kool, huh) moveset will be Sky uppercut, Blaze kick, aerial ace, and maybe earthquake.

I have a Zigzagoon for rock smash, surf, flash, and strength

Just 3 more gym leaders to beat and then i will get a Salmance, this is going to be and awesome team, thanks for the help guys and girls. ill keep on posting my team to keep you updated.

[Fawkes0126]

I'll tell you who's awesome. The Ralts line. Once one of them gets to a higher level (especially Gardevoir) they'll kick some serious poke-tail, let me tell you!

[Canadian Bacon]

I know, my friend raised one. I only have one gym leader to go until Salmance. I have raised my team a lot since this afternoon, here there are:
Name/level/attacks

Wailmer/38/astonish, water pulse, dive, rest
I just caught this one, at level 38, i taught him dive and im going to evolve him in 2 levels.

Roselia/39/Giga drain, Magical leaf, grasswhistle, cut
i dont know if i should get rid of cut. i dont have to use it that often now so i dont know if i should keep it. if i get rid of cut ill teach it sludge bomb.

Blaziken/39/Double kick, Blaze kick, aerial ace, quick attack
This is my fav. Ill teach him in the end:Blaze kick, Sky uppercut, Flame thrower, aerial ace

Slaking/43/Yawn, Focus punch, slash, shock wave
I raised him ahead of the others because i wanted to teach him focus punch and evolve him real quick, I will keep his moves right now, all but shock wave, ill get rid of that for Thunderbolt.

(soon to be)Salmance/?/Dragon Claw, fly, earthquake, Crunch(if he can learn it)/Dragon breath.

This is my team, ill keep you updated

[Sea Crobat]

Things you should know about Salamence:

Do not let Bagon evolve until lv. 49 or you will have to wait until lv. 70 or higher for Salamence to learn Dragon Claw.

Bagon, Shellgon and Salamence all learn Crunch naturally(Bagon lv.44).

Salamence learns Fly when it evolves(odd huh?).

[Kyfogre22]

sorry; japan - backwards time.
Anyay,
salamence and you

Salamence is a dragon/flying hybrid with high speed and attack stats. He is good as a heavy hitter or a speed demon.
His best attacks focus around mid-range dragon damaging attacks and physical boosters.
Some must haves for salamence:
Bulk up, eartthquake, dragonclaw, crunch, and in some cases, fly.

Canadian Bacon: Replace dragon breath with bulk up, because all of your other attacks are physical, and ittl boost the STAB you get from dragon claw.
Wailord has LOTS of health, heres a move list for yeh:
Rest (pissoff time!), Body slam, Water pulse, calm mind (comes in a TM)
Roselia is nice, but cut cut (pun not intended.), and put in toxic. I believe roselia is a grass/poison.
Blaziken is a nice dual-type, but: Take out quick attack and replace with it bulk up. All of your moves are physical except for blaze kick and you'll get quite a bonus from it.
Slaking is a bad pokemon. I don't know why you like him so much, but i'd replace him with a gardevoir featuring:
Calm mind, psychic, thunderbolt, secretpower


Sea crobat:: dragon claw comes in a tm flavour too.
My mistake, didn't realise he came that low. :)

Fawkes0126: yes, ralts is awesome.

[Canadian Bacon]

Really? well my team is perfect (in my mind). I just beat the last gym leader and caught a Bagon. I only ran into level 25's, 30's, and 35's. I never ran into anything else. Here my team is now:

Bagon/35/Headbutt, focus energy, ember, dragonbreath.
ok, ill wait until he reaches 35 to evolve, after all, i waited from level 36 to level 43 to evolve Vigoroth so he could learn Focus Punch. In the end he will know- Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Fly, Flamethrower/Crunch. I never was really fond of non-physical or elemental attacks, unless it put the foe to sleep, poisoned, or paralyzed it. I just like attacks that cause pain by themselves.

Blaziken/40/double kick, strength, aerial ace, blaze kick.
I like her moveset. Ill keep double kick until he learns sky uppercut. then ill get rid of strength for slash. then ill keep that moveset.

Wailord/41/Waterpulse, surf, facade, waterfall
His moveset, for now, is just a set that will let me do stuff i need to do. after i get into Ever Grade City and the elite four, ill get rid of waterfall. Ill then teach him ice beam. Ill get rid of facade for Body slam (if i can). Then if i get rid of waterpulse, ill teach it something else (please think of something for me).

Roselia/41/cut, ingrain, Magical leaf, grasswhistle
I have no idea why i got rid of Giga drain for ingrain. it is something i did on accident, after all it was at the top of my team. In the end i will Have him know Magical leaf, Sludge Bomb, Grasswhistle, and name a move for cut. either that or keep it.

Slaking/43/Slash, Yawn, focus punch, shock wave
The reason i like slaking is because he is very powerfull and he has great health. Roght now He only has 9 less health than Wailord. before he evolved into slaking, he only had 4 health. After he evolved he had 79 health. thats a big difference for those who cant do math very good. I like his moveset right now, even though i think that i will get rid of shock wave for thunderbolt. who agrees with me. If not that then what should i get rid of for shock wave. Be warned though, the electrical attacks have helped me a lot in the past.

Groudon/45/slash, bulk up, earthquake, fire blast
In the end he will know solar beam, eruption, slash, and fire blast/flamethrower. this is a good moveset.

Right now i am going on a training expedition. im trying to train Bagon while traveling on all the routes in order. Ill keep checking in.

[Eevee234]

Catch a Nincada or some its evoulution lines, and maybe Feebas, if you can catch one. These pokemon are what they call Erratic Level Growing group. They grow levels real fast. About only 600,000 experience points to be lv.100.

[Kyfogre22]

Eevee234: they do grow fast, but most of those pokemon reek.

Canadian Bacon: Your list isn't small anymore, ill tell you that much.

Bagon - Too offensive. take out flamethrower/crunch for bulk up.
Blaziken - Kill stregnth for slash, double kick for bulk up.
Wailord - Surf/waterpulse/rest/body slam
Roselia - Toxic for cut.
Slaking - I won't help you with him if you use him. he is a terrible pokemon and too easy to counter.
Groudon - I'd replace with kyogre - calm mind/ice beam/body slam/water spout

[Sea Crobat]

Actually, a way to use Wailords HP as a pysical advantage. Train it to lv.45 and it will learn Water Spout. Water Spout does half of Wailords total HP as damage.

[Canadian Bacon]

i like elemental and physical attacks, stop telling me to teach them something like Bulk Up or something like that. I dont see why none of you like Slaking? Have you not raised one before or something.

[Kyfogre22]

i actually have raised one before. in battle, you will see it get flattened and tossed aside.

If you don't use techiniques like Bulk Up, the only ones you will win against are little kids that don't know how to play.

Canadian bacon, don't start a topic if you aren't willing to take suggestions and are going to rudely ignore the suggestions people are telling you.

[Canadian Bacon]

Fine, ill teach him Bulk Up, just to power up his Focus punch. Focus punch hasnt been that strong anyway, against certian pokemon. His moveset will be- Yawn, Focus Punch, Slash, Bulk Up. If I Use yawn, He wont get flattened (until they wake up). The rest of my team i like the way they are.

[big baby sweets]

pick six ledgendary pokemon that should do it

[Canadian Bacon]

i already tried 6 legendaries, i had all the regis, Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. the regis suked and i didnt feel like trying to raise a bunch of legendaries after i cought them all

[big baby sweets]

it takes time to make poke great remember that.

[Canadian Bacon]

Yeah, your right. Usually after i get bored of a game, i just reset it. ill probobly just raise this team to as high as i can get them before i die of bordom and then either trade them to my friends so i can keep the team, put it on that pokemon box thing, put it on pokemon Collusium, or just trade files with a friend to keep the team alive. I know this isnt really a small team anymore, but i dont care. Im open to new movesets to any one now, again, just answer and ill get back to you on it.

[Kyfogre22]

heh, Canadian Bacon, I would never do that but i guess im different from you. Anyway, Wailord is effective if you play him like chansey: Attach a leftovers to him and teach him:

Rest Bodyslam Surf Water Pulse

This will surely anger your oppoment as he tries to destroy Wailord, but then when hes finally ready to die he regains all of his health!

[Canadian Bacon]

Ok, but i dont know about the moveset. I want him to know Surf, Dive (because diving is very mandatory), Ice Beam, and Body Slam.I like this moveset. I just evolved my Bagon into a Salmance and you're wrong about it being easy to raise Bagon. I worked all morning to raise him from level 40 to 50. It was a pain in the butt. but during the training, i made it to Ever Grande City and the elite four. I am going to keep training until i raise everyone to levels around 50. Heres my team now.
Name/Level/Attacks

Blaziken/43/Slash, strength, aerial ace, Blaze Kick
I hadnt erased Strength when she tried to learn slash, so im going to get rid of strength i will teach her double Kick and after she is strong enough i wil get rid of that for Sky Uppercut.

Wailord/43/Surf, Faade, Water Pulse, Dive
You already know his future moveset so i dont need to say anything else.

Slaking/44/Slash, yawn, Focus Punch, Shock wave.
I am going to, in the end, get rid of shock wave for Bulk up to strengthen up his focus punch.

Roselia/44/Cut, Ingrain, magical leaf, grasswistle
in the end she will know sludge bomb, magical leaf, cut, and either grasswhistle or toxic. which one should i choose?

Groudon/46/Slash, rock smash, earthquake, fire blast
It will know eruption, solarbeam, fire blast/flamethrower, slash/dragon claw.

Salmance/50/earthquake, Dragon Claw, Crunch, Fly
In the end he will know Dragon Claw, Fly, earthquake, flamethrower/fireblast

this is my present/future team. How do you like it. Please comment.

[Sea Crobat]

Raise atleast Blaziken to lv.60. It will be tough taking out Steven's Lv.58 Metagross.

[Kyfogre22]

you woudln't even need it at level 50 to take out his metagorss.

[Mitsirugi]

Bagon,kyogre,alakazam,raiquaza,kingra,and Uuuuh?what Ever Pokemon You Syarted With

[Canadian Bacon]

its a little late mitsirugi, and besides that team is based on brute strength of just attacking. You never spread out the elements... Grass, Fire, Water, Flying are needed. sometimes electricity is used. as you can tell my team has fighting, fire, water, grass, poison, normal, ground, flying and dragon. its a pretty well spread out team. your team has dragon, water, psychic, flying, and mabey fire, water or grass. that team might work, but you wont be able to attack some types. like ice for instance. you have 3 dragons who have a major weakness to ice. i rest my case.

[Alex]

Reality check!!Due to turaunt Slaking does'nt listen to you half the time even if you have all badges.I'd expect norman demonstrated that when you battled him. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Mitsirugi]

well be like me and have 3 raiquaza's and kyogre groudon and alakazam that knows all the :lightning :fire: and ice punches teach all the raiquaza's surf flamethrower therbolt and ice beam raiquaza has good speed and really high special attack.that would take a while to get but is it worth it :cool: I think so :p

[Kyfogre22]

hmm... to do that you would have had to cheat.

Rayquaza would never get enough EV's to take advantage of those mobes.

[Canadian Bacon]

i agree. he wouldnt have the actual types to give the attacks the boost it deserves.

The only reason he doesn't attack half of the time is because of his pokemon power. It only lets him attack on odd numbered turns starting when he is sent out. That's why he has high HP, defense, and attack stats.

[Mitsirugi]

I didnt cheat I just kept starting a new game on my ruby and trading to my sapphire and raiquaza will attack any time you want him to as long as you have all the bages he wont be affected by weather conditions like hail and he has levitate I think

[Spectreon]

His ability is Air Lock, which is why he isnt effected by weather. He is also part flying, which is why ground attacks dont work.

And CB was talking about Slaking, his ability Truant allows him to attack only every other turn.

[Canadian Bacon]

Thats what i just said!

[Kyfogre22]

No, i said u cheated by getting ur 'kazam to learn the 3 punches.

[Sea Crobat]

Actually, just breed a Female Abra/Kadabra/Alakazam with a Medicham(mabey meditate) you caught in Victory road. If you use 3 heart scales on the Medicham you can teach it the 3 elemental punches.

[Canadian Bacon]

for one, i have no idea what youre talking about, Kyfogre22, and for 2 i was talking about what Spectreon said about Slakings pokemon power

[SwampertEX]

I just figured out a BROKEN combo! Use Absol's Perish song and switch out for Wobbufett! Wobbufett's ability makes the opponent unable to switch out, there for the opponent faints in three turns! I have tested this combo and Absol DOSEN'T FAINT!!! Isn't that gr8?!?

[Spectreon]

Simular to the Mean Look/Perish Song Combo. You Mean Look, then Perish Song. They cant retreat til the turn after you retreat..... surely I dont have to spell it out right???

[Canadian Bacon]

in gold and silver thats what the ghost leader does, except its a curse-mean look combo.

[Canadian Bacon]

Oh yeah, i just beat the elite four with this team (soon do be below)the one that i have been posting all this time, and get this, for all you who discriminated against my slaking, he did most of the work on drake and steven, if it wasnt for him, i never would have won.

name/level/attacks

Wailord/45/surf, facade, water spout, ice beam
when i beat the elite four he didnt have ice beam, he had dive

Slaking/46/slash, yawn, focus punch, shock wave
i never really got to deleting shock wave yet, ill probobly get rid of it for thunderbolt or thunder

Blaziken/46/slash, aerial ace, blaze kick, double kick
my pride and joy. she has the most widely ranged attacks of all my pokemon (normal, flying, fire fighting)

Roselia/46/cut, ingrain, magical leaf, toxic
ill get rid of ingrain for sludge bomb

Groudon/47/slash, rock smash, earthquake, fire blast
when i get rid of rock smash, should i teach it dragon claw?

Salmence/51/earthquake, dragon claw, crunch, fly
well maybe blaziken didnt have the most types of moves, slaking, groudon, and salmence all have 4 different types of moves.

well this is my team, for all you who dont like it, so be it, im keeping this team. :D :p

[SwampertEX]

Teach Groudon Solarbeam at level 75.

[Canadian Bacon]

duh!!

[Kyfogre22]

hmm, you won't get the same effects from groudon as you would from kyogre.

[Canadian Bacon]

what do you mean by that?

[Kyfogre22]

kyogre + water spout + STAB + Drizzle + Calm mind + high base SATK + Full HP = something around 1400 base damage, compared to:

Groudon + Solarbeam + Drought = 300 base at best.

[Canadian Bacon]

well, not many people exceed the 300 hp limit, unless they are level 100 (wailord) or something around it. also, Groudons level counts too.

[Canadian Bacon]

i just looked at most of my old posts on this topic and something tells me that i should have listened to you guys about Vileplume and slaking. I should have went with vileplume instead of roselia and i think that im going to switch slaking with claydol. what people say about internet friends being bad was wrong. friends are always good no matter where they come from. :o :D

[Canadian Bacon]

i forget. what does STAB stand for exactly? :o

[dkates]

Same Type Attack Bonus. If your Pokemon's type (or one of its types) is the same as the move you're using, the damage is multiplied by 1.5. Some people have said, incorrectly, that a two-type Pokemon only gets a 1.25 multiplier.

[Croatian_Nidoking]

Same Type Attack Bonus

ETA: Aw, poop. dkates beat me to it.

[Canadian Bacon]

well, a 1.25 attack bonus is better than no bonus.

[dkates]

Well, actually, the 1.25 thing is FALSE. Even if it's a two-type Pokemon, you still get the 1.5.

[Canadian Bacon]

thats better even though you lied :rolleyes:

[dkates]

What do you mean? In both posts, I said that STAB is 1.5 even if it's a two-typed Pokemon. I said some people said it, incorrectly.

[Spectreon]

As far as training, in your otehr post... If you want, use EXP Share for Slakings exp, you may be better off. Against other trainers, against elite 4, and get friends with Pokemon you can slaughter in their bases. Defeating trainers Pokemon gets you more exp than wild ones...... and the money dont hurt either


As far as Slaking goes, if you want to keep him, he can learn Shadow Ball, keep Hyper Beam, max PP on it especially, Earthquake and Rest to finish him off (I think rest is better since you have to forfit a turn anyways, what 1 more, plus negates staus's placed on him as well)

[Canadian Bacon]

sorry dkates, i read your post wrong!

[Canadian Bacon]

This is a sort of out of topic question but, how many posts do i have to get 4 and 5 pages? ive been in the RTC an there is a post there that has 4 hundred sum replies and only 6 pages? can somebody answer this ?

[Canadian Bacon]

never mind. that post had 20 pages! :o

[Canadian Bacon]

ok, i got rid of slaking for claydol then i got rid of claydol for grumpig. it is level 43 now and it knows rest, snore, psychic, and bounce. heres the rest of my team
name/level/attacks

Grumpig/43/rest, snore, psychic, bounce
i like his moveset

Roselia/52/cut, sludge bomb, petal dance, toxic
this is a final moveset... unless someone can figure a non-grass/poison move for cut

Wailord/53/surf, facade, water spout, ice beam
i dont know what to teach him for facade. any ideas?

Salamence/53/earthquake, dragon claw, crunch, fly

Groudon/53/slash, earthquake, fire blast, rest

Blaziken/53/slash, mirror move, blaze kick, brick break

my team has grown a lot since i last posted it. if you like this team say yay. if you dont say nay. if you think you can beat the team you helped create say yahoo!

[Stud Studderson]

(you got the small part right) hmmm your team sucks

[Stud Studderson]

:thumb: :eek: :clap: :rolleyes: :mad: :p :pokeball: i :cool:

[SwampertEX]

No Bashing Stud! You're new here, so I'm sure the mods'll give ya a break, but if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Oh and posting twice in a row is considered spamming. It'll get you in big trouble! Watch what you say next time, okay?
-Swampert

[Kyfogre22]

take out cut for calm mind (roselia)

Take out facade for rest. (wailord)

Other then that, looks good.

[Spectreon]

Or to combo with Toxic, try Protect..... Roselia's stats are so so, but if you Toxic, Protect, Attack, Protect, repeat, could be already. It will have some problems with Metal Pokemon especially, but hopefully you still have Blazekin.....

Water Spout or Surf, I would choose Water Spout, for something else... you dont need 2 water moves on him..... Defenitely Rest for Facade

Groudon, maybe Flamethrower for Fire Blast. Usually accuracy and more PP will beat out pure power, his Sp At is weak, but Sunny Day will boost it anyways.
Bulk Up (he learns it naturally), Return, Earthquake, Rest is best overall, pretty much. Abuse his high attack score, that is what it is there for

Salamance Fly for Aerial Ace....

Return for Slash on Blazekin (assuming you are spending lots of time with it, Return should be better than Slash (except for better Critical Hits)

not sure on Grumpig.... but not sure on Bounce......... more later

[Kyfogre22]

I did something simmilar with curse. I had: Curse/shadow punch/mean look/protect. If you are doing to do a combo with toxic, you might want to have a wobbufet in there (for its abilitiy.).
And BTW, rest is GREAT. It will really help you out and it is sure to angry ur oppoment.
I agree with spectreon on the Groundon movelist, fire attacks wont help you. You will get Sunny day, but thats not that much better.
Return, at its best, WILL do more then a slash critical hit.

[Canadian Bacon]

ok, im about to reset my game so, why dont you guys just list a new team. this time i want swampert, camperumpt, vileplume, magneton, scarmory/alteria, herrcross/medacham. that gives me water, ground, grass fire, poison, steel electric, flying, dragon/bug/psychic(all 3 maybe) and fighiting. which of the choices should i choose and what should be thier movesets? if not this team, then what should i choose. must have mudkips evolution line.

[Spectreon]

Swampert???

How bout.....
Curse (you will need to breed a new one)
Earthquake
Return
Rest

for in game, and beofer you breed, change Curse for Surf

Vileplume I think was mentioned way back, so I will skip

My fave Camarupt moveset...
Flamethrower
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Body Slam

It will also have to be bred. Body Slam will cause paralysis, which helps out, and increases Rock Slides usefullness

Magneton??? I would say Manetrike for an electric.. dont know agout Magneton....

Altaria over Skarmory....
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Rest

Heracross over Medicham.... I just dont like him much...

Megahorn
Brick Breack
Bulk Up
Rest


how bout hat for starters???

[Canadian Bacon]

ok, i thought about it and i will go with most of these pokemon and moves and this is what i have now and what i will go with in the future.
what i have now:
marshstomp/18/
tackle
mud shot
bide
water gun

this is what i plan to have
Swampert/
Earthquake
surf
return
rest
i will go with this moveset unless i get a better move along her evolution, then i will get rid of rest for that move.

Camperumpt/
Earthquake/eruption
rock slide
flamethrower
rock smash
this looks like a good moveset

Belossom/
petal dance
sludge bomb
sleep powder/stun spore
cut
I think that i will go with Belossom, just because its and Vileplumes moveset lines are basically the same. the only differences are, one is poison, and one learns solarbeam at level 50.

Magnectric/
Thunder
rain dance
bite
flash
I think youre right about magneton

Medacham/
psychic
shadow bal
high jump kick
strength
i like medicham better.

Skarmory/
steel wing
fly
aerial ace
name something
i want skarmory because i have never raised one in this game before

[Spectreon]

are these soley for in game???

I highly suggest breeding the Manitrike.... Same moveset for in game, but with Crunch over Bite

for Skarmory um, Return, Spikes, or Sand Storm, possibly theif (just to get rare held items). But I would save Aerial Ace TM, and just keep Air Cutter.

Dont forget though, being part Poison gives Vileplume STAB on Sludge Bomb, of course it also gains Poisons weaknesses too.... Both are good choices though... so I wont leave heavily either way. Dont forget, Oddish/Gloom can learn the recovery move Moonlight.

[SwampertEX]

Instead of Cut and Sleep Powder, use Sunny Day and Solarbeam!!! It boost's Bellossom's speed and gets a STAB bonus for Solarbeam!!! Definately go Bellosom over Vileploom, it has better Special Attack! (I'm Hyper Today, notice the Exclamation Points!!!)!!!
-Swampert

[SwampertEX]

Oh and ya gotta have recover with Medicham!!! Get Rid of Strength!!! And on Cammy, go with Eruption, over Rock Smash, because Rock Smash Sucks and Eruption is situational!!! Go with Thunderbolt over Flash on Manectric!!! The Rest Looks good!!!!!!!!!!!
-Swampert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spectreon]

See I have a feeling he is spreading his needed for in game HMs on all his Pokemon.


Instead of this, use HM Slaves. This way you only need 1, maybe 2 pokemon on your team to carry the burden of HMs. The only good HM is Surf.... others are crap!!!

Good HM Slaves

Linoone-Surf, Strenght, Rock Smash, Cut
Tropius- Fly, Strength, Flash, Rock Smash, Cut
Almost any Water Pokemon for Surf, Waterfall, and Dive.

Dont use HMs on your team of 6!!!! well except Surf.

And I still say breed a Numel with Body Slam. A female Numel and a male Torkoal. Torkoal without wasting a TM can breed Flamethrower, Body Slam, and Protect. Then just drop Tackle and Protect for Rockslide and Earthquake. You dont need 2 Fire Moves!!!!

Make sure your Manetric has the Static abillity. Lightning Rod is only semi usefull in 2-2 matches.

Vileplume/Beloosom stats

HP AT DF SP SA SD

354 259 269 199 299 279

354 259 269 199 279 299

Exatcly the same, but Specials are flipped. Sp Def is higher on Vile, Bel has higher Sp At like mentioned.

either way, move set should be Sludge Bomb, Moon Light, and then a Grass Move, and whatever else. If you use Sunny Day it will boost their Speed, makes Solar Beam a 1 turn attack, and increases Moon Light (or Synthesis if you breed it) from 50% health recovery to 75% I believe. Just watch out for Fire attacks. OUCH!!!!

My fave, but almost impossible without cheating, moveset for Manetric is

Thunder
Crunch/Roar/Thunder Wave
Hidden Power (water, 70)
Rain Dance

Good luck with that though... If not, then just do

Thunderbolt
Crunch (breeding only)
Roar
Thunder Wave/HP based on Sp At, Ice/Grass/Water for Ground types

[SwampertEX]

I like Raichu better than Manectric. Raichu has a higher speed rating when trained right and can be very helpful.
Here's the moveset:
Thunder
Sweet Kiss (Breed, it's worth it)
Slam
Thunderbolt
That would be my choice... it's up to you! ;)
-Swampert

[Canadian Bacon]

ok, about all these electric pokemon choices. i went with minun because i raised one in one of my old games and it was awesome. this is actually going to be my team:

Swampert/
surf
earthquake
return
rest

Blaziken/
Blaze kick
sky uppercut
slash
aerial ace/mirror move
when i reset my game last time i saved my blaziken on a friends game. it was a female so i can breed it.

Belossom/
Sunny day
solar beam
sludge bomb
syntheses/moonlight
moonlight if i have to breed synthesis

Skarmory
spikes
roar/air cutter
steel wing
fly
i already have my skarmory and it doesnt know very good moves. just wait til it gets to level 30.

Minun/
Thunder
rain dance
thunder wave
double team/quick attack
i dont know about double team/quick attack because i couldnt think of anything. please think of something for me.

Solrock/
solar beam
rock slide
psychic
earthquake/shadow ball

this team gives me eleven different types. water ground fire fighting grass poison electric steel flying rock psychic. that is a pretty good team. even though this is my future team, i will try to go with it.

this is my present team.
Skarmory/19/ peck, sand attack, swift, agility
I just caught Skarmory and she isnt very good.

Marshstomp/26/tackle, bide, mud shot, water gun
She is on of my best now.

Minun/26/encore, thunder wave, quick attack, spark
she is pretty good

Gloom/26/absorb, acid, poison powder, bullet seed
This is one of my best movesets so far in the game.

i also have a zigzagoon for cut and rock smash. if you payed attention, you will notice that most of the things i put under neath the pokemon, all of them are females. i am raising a group of female pokemon. that way when i reset my game i can carry on their genes.
tell me how you like my team. i am right in front of meteor falls which means that i can catch a solrock real soon.

[SwampertEX]

Charge on Minun...

[Spectreon]

Now corect me if I'm wrong, but Charge doubles your attack (electrical only) on your next turn? So say you would do 100 damage with the attack in the same 2 turns you will do 200 damage by the second turn right? So why is Charge so good???

If that is correct, I would go with Fake Tears or Light Screen. Fake Tears is a nifty attack that lowers your opponents Sp Def by 2 levels

[Canadian Bacon]

because if you notice when you attack an enemy, say you use spark and it nearly makes the other pokemon faint, the trainer is going to heal it. if you do 2 turns worth of damage in one hit, they wont have time to heal.

[Spectreon]

or they can switch out to a Ground type....

[SwampertEX]

Anyway... Why don't you use a dark type poke instead of Solrock?

[Canadian Bacon]

well, i am switching out on a lot of my guys. instead of minun i have pikachu. i decided to switch out because he has an evoulution and will be stronger than minun. so far it is level 26 and knows, double team, quick attack, thunderbolt, and slam. it learned thunderbolt so i will probobly evolve it right now. i can teach it thunder and rain dance w/ TMs.

[SwampertEX]

Try Sableye or Mightyena.

[SwampertEX]

Absol is one of my fave pokes so you could use it too. If you use Absol, make sure you include Wobbuffet to use the strategy I posted a ways back.

[Canadian Bacon]

i dont know who i should use. wobbefet or shuppet. i already have a wobbefet but i dont have a shuppet yet. i am going to get rid of them for solrock. which should i choose.

[Spectreon]

Wobbuffet, Shuppet/Banette has some pretty good AT/SP AT scores. Wobs is like hit me, then I hit you back... not exactly the best tactic in Pokemon, though his stats support it well at least, and the ability to learn Encore almost breaks him, if only you didnt have to take the damage first, or he could learn Rest or other Recovery move, now that would be broken.

Why Solrock?

[Canadian Bacon]

because then i would double my types. (2psychics) i thought i had a wobbefet, but i don't. ill make up a set i think he knows.
Here is my present team

name/level

Wobbefet/27 / Shuppet27
destiny bond / screech
counter / night shade
mirror coat / curse
encore / spite

Skarmory/31
air cutter
steel wing
swift
fly

Gloom/31
absorb
acid
poison powder
secret power

Riachu/31
Thunderbolt
slam
quick attack
double team

Marshtomp/32
take down
bide
mud shot
surf

i also have a Linoone that has
Rock smash
cut
strength
Headbutt

i will get rid of linoone for blaziken when either my friend breeds me a torchic, or he just trades me my blaziken from my old team back. it was a female so it would fit in fine (forgetting its level 53 and all). after i reset this present team when i get bored, i will keep blaziken and swampert and then raise a sceptile (female) and i will have and infinate amount of starters because i could just breed my females and have an unbeatable team.

[Kyfogre22]

lol--u dont have to post a movelist for wobbbley.

[dkates]

Actually, there is more than one possible moveset for Wobbuffet, thanks to Wynaut.

[Kyfogre22]

he already told us he was using encore, he could just tell us what move. end conversation NOW.

[Canadian Bacon]

i switched shuppet/wobeffet for a heracross. this team is nothing like i planned it to be. it is level 32 and knows horn attack, fury attack, counter, brick break. i am going to get my blaziken from my old team back. it knows mirror move, blaze kick, brick break, and slash. it is level 52/53. i just have to get my friend to trade it back.


(edit) wow, this post gave me 5 pages!

[Kyfogre22]

id get a mod to change the topic name, as it's not a small team anymore :) I like the move list on heracross for now, but what are your plans for level 100? same question for blaziken.

By the way, alot of tournaments are switching to the 3-pokémon format, so try to balance your list as much as possible... specalists don't really work too much i nthat format.

[Canadian Bacon]

Your right, if there are any moderaters out there, will you change the title to "Team Ratings"

you guys are going to hurt me for this... i reset my team again. i just didnt like the team. it wasnt your advese that made me reset it... it was my decisions on a team. my new team is made up of a Torkoal, Swablu, Graveler, Kadabra, and a Grovyle. i am going to have my friend trade me a Chinchu so i will have the electric and water types that i still need. i dont have my game with me so i will post the levels and attacks later.

[SwampertEX]

good choices, but go with Camerupt over Torkal and Dodrio over Swablu.

[Super Saiyan 3 Raichu]

how bout this team?
Slaking@choice band
adamant//truant
Hyper Beam
Brick Break
Shadow Ball
Aerial Ace/Slack Off--standardish
EVS:252 ATK 252 def 6HP

Gyarados@shell bell
adamant//intimidate
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
HP^flying^
Tuant/rest-standard tauntrados
EVS:252 atk 252 s.def 6 hp

Raichu@petaya
modest//static
Thunder
Rain Dance
HP^water^
Thunder Wave-standardish thunderdance
EVS:252 s.atk 252 speed 6 hp

Linoone@salac
adamant//pickup
Belly Drum
Shadow Ball
Extremespeed
Rest-my variation 2 the standard box linoone
EVS:252 atk 252 def 6 speed

Swampert@leftovers/petaya
brave//torrent
Curse
Earthquake
Ice Beam/Surf
Mirror Coat/Refresh

Altaria@lum berry
lonely//natural cure
Dragon Dance
Aerial Ace
Earthquake
HP^grass^

[Canadian Bacon]

its been a while since i last posted and my team has grown a lot. I just beat wallace and started teaching my people TMs. I will be ok before i go into Victory road. here they are now:
Name/level/pokemon power
attacks

Golem/35/Rock head (not hit by recoil)
rollout
rock smash
magnitude
selfdestruct
This is just a temporary set. it will change after i get through victory road. it will be Explosion, earthquake, rock slide, take down. i am using take down because of his PKMN power. it will be a powerful attack without recoil.

Torkoal/35/white smoke (no ability reduction)
Iron defense
flamethrower
body slam
strength
on a walkthrough i got from game faqs, it said that torkoal will learn some attack called "hot wind." is that how they say overheat in japannese?

Lanturn/36/Volt absorb (if hit by an electrical attack, regains health)
waterfall
thunder
rain dance
surf
since i need waterfall to get through victory road... i will keep it until i do so. then i will drop it for ice beam

Alakazam/36/syncronize (shares status problems)
Psychic
psy beam
future sight
recover
I dont know why i didnt get rid of psy beam for shadow ball yet... i need to do that.

Sceptile/37/overgrow (ups grass moves in a pinch? what does that mean?)
agility
leaf blade
cut
aerial ace
Can sceptile learn sludge bomb? if he can this will be his final moveset: Leaf blade, aerial ace, false swipe, sludge bomb.

Alteria/38/natural cure (heals status upon switching out)
Fly
dragonbreath
mirror move
sing
I waited til' level 38 to evolve it so it would learn mirror move. just forget it is a second flying move and think of it as like curse (???) because it can return any move. soon i will get rid of dragon breath for dragon claw.

that is my team and it is the bomb! i never thought that i would like it this much, but i do. i am going to try to raise this team all the way... as long as i dont get bored of it....

[Absol7]

Absol7 : ok my party (im close to victory road)
: Salamance lvl 56: flamethrower , dragon claw , dragonbreath , fly


: altaria lvl 54 : dragon claw , dragonbreath , dragon dance , fire blast


: Crobat lvl 49: air cutter , poison fang , sludge bomb , confuse ray


: kyogre lvl 51 : hydro pump , surf , ice beam , body slam


: absol (of cousre) lvl 58 : slash , swords dance , flamthrower , bite


: sceptile lvl 53 : leaf blade , solarbeam , cut , mega drain



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