Top 4 Decks in Eon

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

What do you think are the top 4 decks in Eon so far? In Neo-on it was SMF,Gatrsect, and Encargo, but now, what is it? Here's my list in order..

1. Gardevoir/Gardevoir ex/Wobbuffet
2. Blaziken/Exeggutor
3. Blaziken/Delcatty
4. Kabutops ex

Gardevoir is just, so powerful I can't explain it. No deck I have seen can stand up to its force besides Gardevoir itself. Chicken and Coconut is just a powerful force. Once Eggys out, game over. I lost to one of these to they after suffering a blow of 320 damage!! Chicken Kitten is a fast strike deck. I barely beat one today even after I had a great lead. It can make awesome comebacks. And lastly, Kabutops ex, is a tough shellfish. The only thing it really loses to is Wobbuffet ( Fav card from SS). Gardevoir can put up an equal fight but it would be a close game. Anyway, these are my top 4 fav decks. See ya

~Eevee

[SteveP]

Yup, good list. I've had pretty good luck with a "bite back" deck against everything on your list except Gardevoir. It includes Cacturne, Sharpedo, and Arcanine. Also, I think Raichu EX has potential if someone can make it work fast and consistant.

I'm thinking that Gardevoir might be the first banned card from E-on, after everyone starts proving how powerful it is.

Has anyone tried a Shiftry/Energy Removal deck yet? Yah, it's lots of coin flips, but it just might be able to slow down Gardevoir enough.

[old man]

No Wailord EX up there? I haven't tried Wialord in a eon format, but in a Neon format I won the 2 tournaments I played it in. I must now change it around for eon.

Also no Slaking? I played Slaking today in eon format & the only losses I had were to 2 Neon formatted decks. This slacker seems to be a top contender as well. 1 of the games was against a Gardevoir EX, but the opponent never got it going before Slaking was able to take it down.

The thing I'm having most trouble with is balancing out my trainers to not have unusable supporters all the time.

[bullados]

Top 4 doesn't really give justice to the Eon format. It needs to be a top 10 in order to get all the good decks out there in.

Also, you can combine both Blaziken decks into one Big Fire catagory, which will help in rankings.

HOwever, going as your top 4...

Top 4 (as I see it)
1. Gardevoir (ex)/Wobbuffet/M2X
2. Big Fire
3. Slaking (counter for the rest of the T4)
4. Raindance (Swampert/Water) (counter for Big Fire)

IMO, Kabutops isn't as strong as a swarmer as his Discovery counterpart, and swarming was Kabutops's big advantage over everything else. Place one NRG on all, and start the beatdown, adding NRGs as it goes along. With the ex rule and a severe lack of healing, Swarm decks just don't do as well.

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

I tried Slaking but it was too slow. :( Wailord ex is also slow with a 5 retreat cost. Althoough he has that attack I dont really like him. Swampert works well. I played him and did quite well. Sceptile also works. I played him with Wobbuffet and beat a Neon deck. Omastar didn't work for me. But yeah, Gardevoir and Big Fire definitely work.


~Eevee

[HYPER EEVEE]

:unknown-h :unknown-i I think there should be some sort of deck like maybe beedrill it killed someones deck or maybe omastar

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

Thaaaat Omastar. It wasn't too powerful. It lost 2 times I think. :nonono:

[HYPER EEVEE]

OOOHHH kay

[Scizor]

Ok here is what i think the top decks are:

1 Blaziken/Exeggcutor (Most consistant IMO in the format)
2 GODEVOIR
3 Sceptile TeCh
4 Really up for grabs there are a lot of decks that could be good, but i think the top 3 is obvious. It is all about consistancy in this format and those 3 decks have it.

[YoungJohn06]

What do you think are the top 4 decks in Eon so far? In Neo-on it was SMF,Gatrsect, and Encargo, but now, what is it? Here's my list in order..

1. Gardevoir/Gardevoir ex/Wobbuffet
2. Blaziken/Exeggutor
3. Blaziken/Delcatty
4. Kabutops ex


~Eevee


On the thing about the top for Neo-on decks, you forgot Meganium Exeggutor, that thing is a beast/my personal all time favorite deck. I took out every deck there was... even Entei Cargo.. if you play right and have a little luck you can beat entei cargo.

Anyway back to the original topic..

I think the top 4 decks are..

1. Gardevoir/Gardevoir EX/Wobbuffet, like you said. It's too good. It's like Slowking was... very powerful.
2. Blaziken/Delcatty and Blaziken/Exeggutor. They're both really good.
3.Swampert
4. Sceptile Tech

They're all strong.

[liminy0]

Omastar deck is really powerful, it can hit for 70 with 4 energy. Then the people using rare candy for stage 2 will get into trouble. A pull down for all highest stage can knock out almost any basic with evolution.

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

Omastar is powerful but not fast enough. Gardevoir people usually play Wynaut so that helps them get ready faster than Omastar.:(


~Eevee

[Otaku]

I think it's a bit early to make a "Top X" deck list yet: we haven't even had one major even in the format. More to the point, a lot of what youhave listed I have seen lose as often as it one. A good question is how much experience do you have with the format? Too little? Too much? Yes, you can have too much: it's not a set amount, just to the point where you have become jaded. Anyway, the list I saw favored big fire, which seemingly died in my area. We still have decent Anti-Fire Water "TecH": Sandstorm Wailmer is an 80 HP Basic that can do 20 for :colorless :colorless or 30 with Auto-Sleep for WCC. It can really pull your fat out of the fire. Remember, it doesn't have to be be able to OHKO a Blaziken to be good... or even a Combusken. The point is that you can send it out, and hey, it has almost a 50% chance of surviving to finish the job on the next turn ("almost" since a person might have a Full Heal or Switch, etc.) Even if it falls, it has just hit for a massive 60 damage. Either you play a bunch of healing, period, meaning all the little and big stuff, or that will matter. Why? Because, this is not supposed to "own you", just weaken you enough so that your decks real heavy hitter can safely come out to play. Eon has a "wonderful" potpourri deck that can be made from various basics. We don't have the "Big Bad Basics" of old anymore, but we do have some nasty newcomers that are "Almost Big Bad Basics". Mewtwo ex is a big bad basic, so of course I am not talking of it. Nor am I talking about the other Basic Pokemon ex: they are big, bad, and basics, but I don't mean that in a good way. I am talking most of some Nintendo newcomers from Sandstorm. Seviper does 20 for :colorless :colorless but is a nice 80 HP grass basic... oh, and if you are a Pokemon ex, then you also are Asleep and Poisoned. Would Mewtwo and Gardevoir ex eat it? Probably. But remember that Kabuto? FOr that matter, any Grass weak Pokemon ex. For to a Grass Weak Pokemon for CC should of course be considered good. Solrock and Lunatone. Lunatone might see some use on it's own: 70 HP, the ability to draw 3 cards and do 40 for FCC is quite good for Modified. Lunatone is not a card I ould play on it's own, but together with Solrock, it can be useful: each card then can at least give trouble to Dark, Fighting, Fire, and Psychic Weak Pokemon. I would not use Lunatone on it's own though, as we have better Psychic Basics: Mewtwo ex of course, and the new Wobbuffet. Don't underestimate it: RaNdOm played me with his Gardevoir/Gardevoir ex deck, and did soundly thrash me... because for about 5 turns, I failed to draw the energy I needed, in a deck that had 20 energy. If I recall corecctly, I jsut made the mistake of overthinking-I was running Steelix, and "wasted" my Metal energy on it instead of the Ffet. :rolleyes: Why? Because to run efficiently, the deck needs to run a lot of Trainers and Energy, and if I had that one last energy, my Wobbuffet would ahve had time to KO Gardevoir ex, or to OHKO the Ralts he used to finish of my active Ffet (I had two). Well, I am almost out of time, but think about a few other ABBB: Zangoose (CCCdoes 60 to evolved Pokemon), Kecleon (a little luck and you can being doing quad damage to Gardevoir ex, with a 25% chance of OHKOing it!), Sandstorm 'Buzz (bench hitter, self powerer, and Weakness and Resistance are ignored only on the bench), and Marril (w/free retreat and 75% paralysis), once people start TecHing properly, I think we'll see a lot of common picks fall.

[Stegy]

My top four would have to look just like Bullados' list, although I can see Slaking at #4 or even #5 with Sceptile tech at #4 (I think Sceptile is #5). It's way too early to discuss the top decks. Yes, there are decks that are used more than others, but there hasn't been any OP events yet. Until OP begins the top decks would be based mostly on Apprentice tourneys and player favorites.

[meganium45]

There have been a lot of successful decks in out tourneys right now, the field is WIDE open.

Shame, that there will never be any use for this information, as the real modified starts after the release of Dragon. That will be the first time serious players make serious decks to play in their city championships.

Right Now, There are a few decks worth mentioning....

1. Gardevoir / EX / Wobby - A bit too slow for my tastes, and kind of schizo at times. Has done well, but has not dominated our tourneys. Not as almighty as people think, kind of like Steelix in Neon.

2. Kabutops/Xatu - Props to Pat Kennedy for this one. This is a beast when up and running, and but for 2 Sceptiles getting 2 heads twice in a row, I would be undefeated with this deck!

3. Sceptile/Nurse - Once again, a lot of tech, but a hard force to stop. When you get this set up, your get your fill. but for some silly mistakes by Psyduck, this deck would have creamed me.

4. The Chameleon - Alakazam/Kecleon. May not hit hard enough for all players, but this deck's power is the ability to imitate EVERYTHING, including Garde. Nice to drop a psychic and a grass on Kecleon and let GardeEX dare to take its chances (80 damage per heads).

5. Sliding Slaking - Slaking/Furret is a lot of fun, grab the boost and watch them run! Use the warp to keep in running, watch the pokes fall trying to get out of the way. This deck has a tendency to be spent after 2-4 prizes. Have found myself actually attacking with Furret!

6. EX Blastoise - You think Shiftry's ER is good? Don't forget about this guy! Swanton 1717 has made a remake of this deck, which I am sure will have more versions to come!

Ironically, all the decks use Marill, hmmm, wonder why???/

M45

[swanton1717]

Ok imo here are the Top 4 decks, this is based on from what i've seen and not based on what other people say..

1. Gardevoir Ex/Gardevoir
2. Blaziken/Exeggutor
3. Kabutops Ex/Xatu
4. Tie between Blastoise Ex/Shiftry/Jumpluff/Slaking

That is just what i have seen played around in this area. I think Aggron Ex should be up there also but i haven't seen it played. And when the next set comes out Dragonite Ex and Ampharos Ex look very promising. I am so playing Dragonite Ex. I'll share my decklist for that when the set comes out.

~Colin

[plaidlesspez]

What about Aggron? I think Jumpluff's deck looks very very good. But anyway, I think it's way too hard to make a top list of decks, because every deck has something that counters it, then there's something that can counter that deck, and so on, so I don't see how any deck can win consistently. It'll basically be luck of who you play when tournys start.

[League Leader Terry]

Um, do you mean the Blastoise from Expedition? If not, I wasn't aware a Blastoise Ex existed yet. :)

[swanton1717]

QUOTE: Right Now, There are a few decks worth mentioning....

1. Gardevoir / EX / Wobby - A bit too slow for my tastes, and kind of schizo at times. Has done well, but has not dominated our tourneys. Not as almighty as people think, kind of like Steelix in Neon.
[/QUOTE]

Isnt Gardevoir one of the fastest decks in eon?[/QUOTE]

Gardevoir is relativly fast. But it can only be really fast if you can get multiple Gardevoirs out. So i think its up to par with the speed of other decks.

And to the post above Blastoise from Expedition is what he means.

[meganium45]

Regarding Garde...

With all the hype, and all the talk, I have yet to see that card dominate a tourney, just going 5-0 hands down.

I have played E-on at all my tourneys since the sandstorm prerelease, which has to be at least 10 tourneys, all with over 12 players...

At NONE of the events did Garde dominate the field and run the table. I think Garde may have won a tourney, but not with the dominating style of Gatr of Old Neon.

Wobbuffet is too much out there keeping him in check. Wobby is splashable, and includable in every major deck that worries about the Garde Nightmare. Sure, sure, attack with regular Garde, but right now psychic is big, and the decks seem to be all aiming at Garde as a target.

Once the real big tourneys begin, we could begin to see some separation, as the best players strap on their best decks.

As for now, I just don't see it, I'm sorry.

That is why I said what I did about Garde. Notice he still made #1 on my list? I do respect the card nonetheless.

M45

Come see me, Swanton1717, Mega Murkrow, the player known as Psyduck, and more at Pokemon Rocks America this Saturday at Union Station in St. Louis!

Great fun, great prizes and much, much more!!!

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

Meganium45, what were the other decksthat won those other tourneys.?

~Eevee:fire:

[SwampertEX]

At my local tourney (Winter Haven, FL), Gardevoir decks rain supreme:( But my Raindance ex deck (formerly Swampert deck) dosen't do so badly;) Oops! posted in the wrong place >_<

[bullados]

Thank you for acknowledging my naming of that deck. Now, pay me $1. Thank you. *listens to greenbacks slapping his palm*

In all seriousness, tho, we really DON'T know what the top decks are here. It could be (of all things) Seaking, and we just don't know it yet!!! There are several decks that do diserve to be mentioned, just because they are extremely powerful. However, nothing can be said until the next set is out, and a major Modified tourney happens.

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

LOL,:lol:

Seaking and Weezing decks dominate the field. HEHEHE

~Eevee

[Dro~]

I just want to add something on to otaku's new BBB list. Besides the great SS electabuzz, I think SS murkrow is also pretty good. If you haven't noticed, murkrow can do a maximum of 50 damage in its second turn with no draw backs (20 base damage +20 because of 2 darkness energy + 10 for the effect). You just need to have 2 darkness energy on it, which is not very hard, then you can do 50 every turn. It's great in early games and its first attack sometimes can harm your opponent if you're lucky enough to pick the right card from your opponent's hand. Combine with desert shamen, your opponent will end up with 3 cards in his/her hand.

Also lunatone can do 40 damage with 2 energy (1 psy and 1 dark).

These 2 cards can just do as efficient damage as the old BBB.

Finally dunsparce is pretty useful in summoning your main basics. I think the top 4 decks should try using it.

[SteveP]

After playing Gardevoir for a couple weeks, I agree with some of you that it's sometimes a bit flaky. It's "definately" the best mid-late game deck, but it's not as consistant in the early-game as Blaziken/draw and Blaziken/Exeguttor, or even Raichu EX. Most Gardevoir decks I've seen need quite a few turns to set up before they "steam roll." The old Riptide decks almost always were "steam rolling" by turn 3. Not so with Gardy.

[nikePK]

Wow, props from TWO people, Thank you Meganium and Plaid ^_^

I really think the top 4 or so would not be a top 4... everything can be played, its just a matter of matchups. The thing I think that can tangle with the most stuff?

Aggron ex/Furret/Wailord... yeah I play this. It can beat nearly everything and definitely puts up a fight with everything. Guys, seriously try this, its amazing.

Blaziken/Delcatty/Eggs - yes you have to play all 3, Toys R Us Kid has showed me the power of this deck in all of our encounters online. We go back and forth with our decks, and I can match up pretty much anything against it and it'll lose. It beats Gardevoir (as does my aggron) and i'm sure it can take a LOT of other stuff. Its problem is that water kills it. Yeah, its got Eggs, but still, the deck usually only gets 1 up, so its hard to get going if they're slaughtering ur fire for 100+ a turn. Tops ex might not be able to take it just cuz of its weakness to grass, but any lightning weak water should be able to dominate.

Gardevoir, Gardevoir ex. THANK YOU Meganium for essentially saying this is overhyped. Its NOT SMF of neon, its NOT gatr. Its good, but its not broken. It doesn't need to be banned, there are so many things to stop it and the 2 decks mentioned above can go toe to toe with it. However, it still is awesome, and I'm sure it'll win some tournies.

Those are the real 2 I've seen played, and I play the aggron one. I think some other stuff has potential, and I think Omastar could be up there, and I like Kabutops/Xatu, but I'm starting to think that it might need a little kick to get around its weaknesses... stupid exeggutor... Maybe just run a Strenght Charm... that ought to do the trick ^_^

Here's what else I think can attempt a shot at being "tier 1."

Breloom - Another one of the decks I made, it gets Breloom out t2 and starts the beatdown for 60+ a turn. Swarmable, big damageable, fastest thing on the planet. However, I think that Blaziken can beat it just because of type advantage. You can deprive Blaziken of its evos for a short time, maybe even win the game quick, but its just not THAT likely to happen. I have beaten Blazikens before, but I think TRUK's could easily take it. It destroys a lot of stuff, but I think it could lose to a lot of stuff. I dunno, I might make this a tier 1, but as it stands I'd go 1 1/2 lol.

Eeveelution... WHAT? Yeah, I think if someone takes the time and really builds a solid eevee deck, it can work. i think combined with furret and Powerplant or something, it could be a force. Furret gets the boosts for both Flareon and espeon, use something like Vaporeon in it as well and you have yourself a deck that can tangle with a lot of stuff. however, that's its problem, it doesn't have a SOLID advantage over one deck. I think it needs to run with someting fast, something that can dish out damage.. maybe jumpluff, maybe something bigger, I don't know.

Armaldo- Well, its hard to make this work. If you get it out fast and shut your opponent down, they MIGHT not be able to ko armaldo fast enough. If you can get another Armaldo built before one goes down, you've got a nice shot. Run it with Disruption and energy denial stuff to help out.

Shiftry - This just HAS to work somehow... right? lol

Those last 3 decks I haven't really seen in play, so I'm not sure how you would actually run them. Just my 2 cents on the matter.

Uhh... so top 4 would be something like:

1 or 2 - Blaziken/Eggs/Catty
1 or 2 - Aggron ex/Furret/Lord
3 - Gardevoir/Gardy ex
4 - Ummm.... Omastar, Tops, Breloom, whatever. I dunno lol. Everything fights for this.

I do know this though: Whenever we get some sanctioned tours going with Modified... its gonna be hella-interesting!

[dkates]

I think it's still way too soon for there to be a top 4 decks in Eon -- it may never happen, though a top 8 is likely. I think many of the best decks will have one major thing in common -- somehow abusing the ability to get multiple Energy into play per turn. Blaziken, Gardevoir, Swampert, etc.

[nikePK]

I really really don't see Swampert doing well. Everytime I've tried it, its sucked. Maybe I'm just not good with water lol.

Anyone have a good swampert deck? I'd like to see how it performs against some of the stuff I play...

Blaziken and Gard, as I said above, are good though. Its definitely a good thing to get energy into play like those 2 pokemon can do, you hit the nail right on the head, Dkates.

However, other stuff can do good too. Blaziken has a weakness of having a "small" damage attack, and Gardevoir's power hurts the pokemon that go onto them. Blaziken can also only put fire to the bench, so yeah... they have their weaknesses and stuff does beat them

[dkates]

However, other stuff can do good too. Blaziken has a weakness of having a "small" damage attack, and Gardevoir's power hurts the pokemon that go onto them. Blaziken can also only put fire to the bench, so yeah... they have their weaknesses and stuff does beat themQuite true -- and that's what makes Eon so exciting for me. For every great deck out there, there's apparently at least one equally viable (or, at least, nearly equally viable) counter to it. In this game, there's always been a counter to every good deck, but often the counters just haven't been as good in the larger metagame as what they're countering. So far, it looks like that's not going to be the case very soon in Eon. I could be wrong, but I sincerely hope I'm right.

[ToysRUsKid]

Aggron EX deserves the spot ;/

Im like 0-3 against it, yes, 2x Gardy and 1x my old Blaze.

Im here chilling ezly, then all of a sudden, he pops up with this OUT OF No where 60-70 attack, i got no healing.. and my gardy just dies ... nikePK, has done an AMAZINGLY job with this deck, keeps getting better and better each time I play against it.

Aggron covers everything, hard deck to play, all about decisions, just like Blaze/Eggs/Del.

Top 4
1) Blaze/Eggs/Del
2) Gardy
3) Aggron EX/Furret/Wailord
4) Cradily (IF USED RIGHT)

All that matters in this format is getting your stuff out. You mgiht be down 2-6 in prizes, and you can still win. Trust Me, I have a lot. You might have a execellent start, but, can you finish the way you can.

~TruK

[Otaku]

I think it is safe to say now that right now decks tend to fall into two catagories: established decks and theoretical decks, with the additional modifier of "easy to play"/familiar versus "new territory. What do I mean? Gardevoir/ex is established as being big, and while it takes skill, the learning curve is less severe. It was one of the first post-"Sandstorm" decks, and that is one resaon why it seems to dominate. Then we have some things that are theoretical but should work: I have a deck I call "Felonius Familiars", using SK Crobat, Murkrow, and of course, Desert Shaman. Together, these look like they'll be pretty good a shutting decks down. But t ahsn't been tried. Another deck of mine that shows promise is a "suicide deck" using SK Electrode and the Grass SK Forretress. Suicide two Electrodes, then finish them with Forretress. Even if that fails, I could combine the electrode with Steelix... ah yes, Sandstorm Steelix. It and Aggron ex are looking quite potent for bench damage... I was thinking with Omastar: load up the bench, then devolve it all for multiple KOs. If they aren't evolved, then they are probably KO'd anyway on the third bench strike. ;)

[TheDancingPeanut]

SS Omastar is the card to beat. If you guys are losing with that card, you're crazy. Pull down is unbelievably if you play it right - it forces your opponent to completley change his entire strategy. It's also exceptionally effective due to the general lack of healing in the current format. And also, you must take into account that a majority of the decks whihc have been listed so far are fire.

[ToysRUsKid]

Are fire?

Aggron EX/ Furret / Wailord -- WHERES FIRE?
Gardevior / Gardevior EX - WHERES FIRE?
Blaziken / Exe - ONLY FIRE
Cradily - WHERES THE FIRE!?!?!

theres only 1 Fire Deck, and thats Blaziken Eggs. =/

~TruK

[Pablo]

id have to say, that blaziken eggs is to reliant on flips, and blaziken ninetales is more solid when it comes to damage. TRUK should know, since i beat his blaz deck with mine, and although alot of luck is involved in every game (drawing a card, and starting hand), i think it is more solid when it comes to dealing damage.

[PojosamaWannabe]

Mudkip: You just die to water decks without Eggs. Play vs an Omastar and you die.

[Pablo]

i swear not, blaziken tales catty is just to quick for water decks to cope with, it is a 50/50 of who wins, believe me, i loose to this deck every weekend, me playing wailord ex swampert or azumarril swampert, or just swampert on its own, we are 6-7 right now, but the last tourney i did win it, i just think it is better, blaziken eggs, has never beaten any of my swampert decks. I dont think it is much better, but when you are on a day when you suffer from bad lucks on flips, ninetales is a much more solid attacker, it just takes away the flipiness of a deck that can easily OHKO anything.

[plaidlesspez]

How about Exp Feraligatr? I have a deck with it and I'd say it matches up very nicely vs about everything (except probably Aggron). It has gatr for fire and mostly everything else that's not Sceptile, xatu to heal and get damage on everything, wobbuffet for exs and good damage, and mewtwo ex for consistant damage. Just tell me a deck that it'd loose to consistantly, besides Aggron. I don't think there's too many, so it should be in the running for top decks, though it's just a rouge right now.

[nikePK]

exp gatr looks pretty cool. Problem is that its 4 energy and then it dies to the big stuff. I guess with Xatu and a LOAD of healing, it can be good, the power is really nice in this.

Mudkip... thats cuz you're playing vs. Swampert decks =| What Ninetails are you talking about too? I don't see any that really kill stuff, maybe etheral flame one, but do you play a lot of switch to keep powering it up or something?

Eggs isn't a whole lot of luck, by the time it gets out, you have enough energy to discard that would more than average the damage you need. of course, it is luck, its a flip obviously. But ODDS are that you can get decent damage in there.

Anyway... I think TRUK summed up the top 4 alright now, though I disagree with Cradily just because I haven't seen anyone play it. I think it can be awesome... just nobody has taken interest in it I guess...

[ToysRUsKid]

id have to say, that blaziken eggs is to reliant on flips, and blaziken ninetales is more solid when it comes to damage. TRUK should know, since i beat his blaz deck with mine, and although alot of luck is involved in every game (drawing a card, and starting hand), i think it is more solid when it comes to dealing damage.


OH Lemme See, Turn 5

My Deck - 36
Your Deck - 14

I still have that screnshot, your the ONLY person to outspeed me. I was drawing all crap.

[MonkeyMan]

yah Ninetales is real garbage listen to truk on this

[SteveP]

Today at our EON tournament, our top 4 players played (in order of finish):
- Gardy/Wobby
- Typhlo/EX
- Mightyena/Sneasel
- Blazy/draw

Only the Gardy deck went undefeated (and easily I might add). So, unless something comes along in Dragon, Gardy will rule EON. JMO.

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

I just played against TRUk today with Aggron ex and got a terrible start. I used Boost to take out hi Gardevoir with like 5-6 Energies. I came back and was 1 prize to 2 prizes. He got his Garde ex out eventually and beat me. It was very close though. So now, these IMO, are the best decks out there.


1. Garde/Wobby (Still powerful
2. Blaze/Eggy/Delcatty
3. Aggron ex/Wailord/Furret
4. K-Tops/Xatu

~Eevee

[SteveP]

IMO, Gardevoir/Wobbuffet can only be beaten by:

1. Gardevoir - a Gardevoir mirror match in which speed and/or strategically activated Pokemon wins the match.

2. Speed - KO the Wynauts/Ralts before they can set up.

The attempt at our tournament by one play to throw up Psychic resistance certainly caused some early-game problems for the Gardevoir player, preventing him from setting up quickly. But, after about a dozen turns, Gardevoir was "steam rolling" with very little regard for Psychic resistance.

SuperSaiyonEevee showed a GREAT example of how Gardevoir decks call typically go down in prizes, then come back and "steam roll" their way to victory. Sure, Gardevoir decks may loose to other things such as bad draw on their part and/or god-draw on the opponent's part. But, on average, Gardevoir "rules the table." JMO.

[Cyrus]

Yah, a top 4 list really wouldn't do the format justice. I have a nice, tasty Top 10! :D

1. Gardevoir ex/Gardevoir (For god's sake, it is NOT Godevoir :rolleyes: )
2. Kingdra ex (Retaliate kills smaller stuff...fire killer...boo-yah)
3. Blaziken/Arcanine (both Aqua and Sandstorm Arcies)
4. Salamence (Resistence to Fire+Gusting=yum!)
5. Kabutops ex/Steelix
6. Kabutops ex/Omastar
7. Aggron ex
8. Wailord/Jumpluff (t3h Pooka deck r0x0rz j00 s0x0rz)
9. Shiftry/Cacturne
10. Flygon Burn (Ho Oh returns...only better and cooler!)

Also, I'm going to be posting a couple decks of these...please feel free to poke fun ^^""

~Patriarch

[Magnechu]

Top 4? You can't sum it up in the Top 4. I'll do the Top 5, but that STILL leaves out a good number of good decks. Here it is:

1. Gardevoir/EX/Mewtwo EX/Wobb-Great deck. Consistent. Takes skill, but if played correctly, a real killer.
2. Big Fire-Whatever you play it with, it's great. It's consistent, but Water kills it.
3. Swampert-This takes a lot of skill, but it can be a great deck. I'm playing this and its a real killer to Fire decks.
4. Sceptile TecH/Slaking-I haven't really seen this much, but I've tried it out a little and it's pretty good.(Sceptile) I've played Slaking and it's really good. With Furret and Boost Energy it can be a real fast deck.
5. Expedition Gatr-This card is great, especially if there's a lot of Fire in your area.

The 4 and 5 Spot are up for grabs and a lot of decks could make it. I haven't seen Aggron played very much, but it seems real good. My bro plays Aggron/Linoone and it's pretty good. JMO.

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

Patriarch, ex Dragons isn't released yet is it? Cuz I don't know what Flygon and Salamence do.

~Eevee

P.S. Now if only we all changed our Avatars to Gengar to match this nice new theme. Wonder what Christmas will look like.:)

[Cyrus]

'Course Dragons hasn't been released. However, I'm just predicting what WILL be big when it's released! Never too early to think about the future, I believe ;)

Oh yah, check out www.fakecard.com
Fun stuff!

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

You're right. Nothing wrong in predicting the best decks decks in the future.


~Eevee :pokeball:

[swanton1717]

Lol after looking at the spoilers a while ago i think Dragonite Ex will be big, it certainly is my favorite from the set.

[Dro~]

Don't forget about Ampharos EX, this deck may make it to the top 10, if not the top 5. If you get it out early in the game, your opponent will suffer a lot gradually everytime they attach an energy from their hands. It's one of the few stage 2 pokemon-ex that has a resistant. Plus swampert and wailord ex fear it. This deck can work well with SS electabuzz (hitting a benched electric-resistant pokemon) and splashable psychic pokemon like lunatone, wobbuffet and girafraig from ex dragon to cover its fighting weakness.

The new girafraig is pretty good. It may be seen in gardevori decks.

[Otaku]

5. Kabutops ex/Steelix
6. Kabutops ex/Omastar
7. Aggron ex

I think you had a few typos (okay, not really, but I wanted to interject a point-hope you don't mind ;) ).

Kabutops Steelix lacks synergy. Why run it when you can get your fire dousing action through better and/or lower stage Pokemon. SK Starmie and SS Vaporeon spring readily to mind. Or better yet, you run SS Steelix with SS Omastar: load up the bench damage, then pull down all those Rare Candied evos for multiple prizes. ;)

Aggron ex might work in there as well, but the dual Stage 2 deck is still awkward.

[BANGINBOX]

hello everyone,

I figure its my turn to chime in on this one.

Let me start off by saying that i do not seem to go the traditional route when it comes to building decks. I am very rarely seen making archtype decks. I spend all my time trying to perfect a deck that can take down the so called top 5 in the format. In this particular format, that is only possible with the septile tech deck. I personaly will not build it because it was not my idea. needless to say whomever thought of this idea deserves some serious props! sure there may be other decks out there that can do it, only i have not seen them.

so, instead of giving you the same answers as everyone else. I will give you the top 4 rouge decks that can possibly be a force.

#1 Septile tech~~~~ once again, this is truly a rouge deck.

#2 Xatu/ Wailord EX/ wobbuffet~~~~ This is a serious contender. The power of healing in this format is unbelievable. In this deck wobbuffet does most of the damage. This guy can go a long time. All this, while I am building up the FAT water beast to take over the game. I run this with 4 oran berry and 4 potion. that keeps the beast healed to do 100 every turn.

#3 cradilly/ azumarril / wobbuffet~~~~ Oh my gosh. tested this deck out yesterday at league and the power of azumaril is CRAZY. with azurill and wynaut I always seem to get a great jump on my opponent. Cradilly is simply awsome, especially in team.

#4 kingdra / swampert/ tyrouge (aqua)~~~~ this could be a devistating deck if run with a 4/4 removal line and the fisherman/juggler combo. You could also put in some hitmontop for some better protection from electric types.

These are just some of my ideas. None of which have been seen on the boards. I have however seen some decks that i really like. most of which require 3 to 4 turns to set up. That seems to be normal in this format.

Anyhow, that my 2 cents.
jimmy

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

Alright, after looking over Nick15's list of translations for ex Dragons, I came up with a top 10 for ex Dragon decks ONLY in order.

1. Magcargo ex (Better than the old one with Oracle only no Entei)
2.Kingdra ex (30 damage to anyone is good)
3.Magneton/Juggler/TV Reporter ( Low HP but good attack and if played right can pull some nasty tricks with Juggler/TV Reporter)
4.Ampharos ex ( Nice card if got out early)
5.Dragonite ex/Magneton ( Magneton can get back those NRG's lost)
6.Flygon ( Amazing!)
7.Rayquaza ex/Magneton(Same as Dragonite ex combo)
8.Absol ( Nice when your opponent has a large hand)
9.Shedinja/Ninjask (Pure Defense)
10. Muk ex (Toxic Gas is back:nonono: )

These will only work if the translations stay as Nick15 has them.:)

~Eevee

[Cyrus]

I think you had a few typos (okay, not really, but I wanted to interject a point-hope you don't mind ;) ).

Kabutops Steelix lacks synergy. Why run it when you can get your fire dousing action through better and/or lower stage Pokemon. SK Starmie and SS Vaporeon spring readily to mind. Or better yet, you run SS Steelix with SS Omastar: load up the bench damage, then pull down all those Rare Candied evos for multiple prizes. ;)

Aggron ex might work in there as well, but the dual Stage 2 deck is still awkward.

Note that the list was based off of three things: Local decks I've seen, decks I've seen on the boards, and decks I've personally been working on that proxy ex Dragons. A big thing I've seen played is, in fact, new age Kabulix. Since I made the list late at night, on a comp raid, you know my numbers might've been a little off here and there ;). Also, Aggron ex works better in a deck of its own (ie Aggron ex/Furret or Aggron ex/Linoone). Of course it can get burnt, but that's one of E-on's danger factors.

Also, a few of the decks on my list are borderline. Flygon/Linoone, a thing I've worked on, can't have field experience, unless someone wants to play VS proxy ^^""
(Expect more of a leaning towards Amphy or Muk ex in the future :D)

[Otaku]

http://www.pojo.com/COTD/October2003/20.html

Where most can see mine and many other (dissenting) opinions on the new Kabutops. I jsut don't think they mesh: Starmie is easier to get going and Omastar is strategic power with a bench damaging Pokemon: suicide onix to load up the bench, then out of no where MF + RC + SS Omastar + (C) = gg. Given the amount of Rare Candy, it may be effetive without bench damage.

[Otaku]

True a lot of people do play rare candy. But I dont think they rely only on that. They probably use a few of the stage 1s.
Rght, but it still can hurt them, unless the previous stage has as much or more HP than the one you remove. :p

[Jim Ferrell]

I still like Omastar...

...gonna have to win something big with it...

~Jim Ferrell

[mysterioustrainer]

I don't like including the Japanesse cards as future reference in this because there is no guarentee that they will be in the next set. So for current english sets I would bet on:

Gardevoir
Chicken and eggs
Bite back
Chicken and kitty

[SwampertEX]

I played a revised version of my Raindance ex deck at my tourney and it didn't do so badly...

[nikePK]

I don't think Gardevoir/Gardy ex is still the "floor sweeper" or whatever. It can be beaten. And if someone actually wanted to counter the thing its easy. SK Umbreon/ SS Espy in the same deck, something big behind it. U just t2 an Umbreon, get 2 energy on it and take them down slowly (or quite quick if u get good flips). Espy just wipes out any big threat they bring out and your other big guy can take care of whateve random crap they throw like wobbuffets. Without being able to use Psyshadow, that deck IS NOTHING.

Jim, I hope you do real well with Omastar, it looks like it can be awesome. Play me on Apprentice with it sometime, I need to see its powaaa lol.

I still stand behind what I said before. Blaze/Catty/Eggs seems like it can most easily take the big stuff, though Omastar should be able to have its way wiht it. Why? Cuz they don't swarm with Eggs like Omastar does. I think Aggron ex/Furret/Lord is really good too, I'll hopefully find out HOW good at the Modi tourney after Dragons Pre-release in st. louis. Its done well online I'll tell you that.

Don't get me wrong, Gardy is awesome. It'll take out A LOT of stuff... but when only 1 person is playing it (as this format seems really diverse) in a tourney, that's when it gets stronger. Nobody really techs against it like we used to have to do for Scizor and Gatr and Cargo.

However. I don't think its the #1 deck. Its certainly up there though.

[SteveP]

Yesterday, I was torn between playing Chicken/Eggs/Kitty or Bite Back. Since my son already proved how good Gardy was by winning the tournament last week, I wanted to test my other two favorite decks. I ended up with the Bite Back because I didn't anticipate ANY Gardevoir decks (I was right). I was able to go undefeated until the final round when I ran into an Arcanine/Flareon deck and lost on the third turn due to a TERRIBLE draw and a GOD draw (and coin flips) by my opponent. We played a "fun" game after my loss, and TOTALLY proved how much better my deck was.

So, I think we have to be careful here. Sure, these top decks can loose, but in the long run, they're better than most. Just because we once beat a top tier deck doesn't mean that deck isn't top tier. Gardevoir is #1 in my book because it doesn't require 2-3 different types and combos like most of the other decks listed here require. Bad draw DOESN'T hurt Gardevoir decks like many of the other combo decks. JMO.

[Otaku]

Bad draw DOESN'T hurt Gardevoir decks like many of the other combo decks. JMO.
...

Yes, it does. Now,th key word here is "combo" decks. The bulk of the other combo decks may be hurt more by a bad draw, but against most opponents a bad opening hand for Gardevoir is death in 3 turns. How so? Many people I talk to run a Pokemon ex counter. Most popular are SS Espeon and S Wobbuffet. If I can set up eiher by turn 3, I will probably be able to score enough of a lead OHKOing you while you set up. Now, of course I need to expound upon the subject more-in my experience, a "good" Gardevoir/ex deck will run very few basics... as such, it is pretty common for suchplayers to have 3 or less basics even after 5 turns. Most of the time, these basics are Ralts and a few, somewhat weak, supporting Pokemon. In these scenarios, Espy and Ffet will shread you before you can set up anything to stop them-especially Espy, since it can use a Boost Energy to make it so a surprise Gardevoir doesn't pop up and OHKO it. Why is this worse for Gardies? They are weak to said two counters, meaning that if one gets going, we could have a lot of OHKOs. I nearly did this to Random in our last game-I ran SS Steelix/Vaporeon and he ran Gardevoir/ex. Had I not "wasted" a Metal Energy on Steelix, my Wobbuffet would have minced him... Another reminder-this is on a "bad" set-up for a Gardevoir/ex deck. On a good set-up it wouldn;t have mattered, but in this one, for multiple turns, all he had was a Gardevoir ex, and then even after he got a Kirlia or normal Gardevoir into play and started slamming my Pokemon, I still could have mae a comeback if I'd have gotten another energy... but I didn't get that energy (and there were 20 total energy in the deck too).

My point? Bad set-ups are bad set-ups, and any decks that relies on a 50HP- basic (even as part of a chain) that has a "common" weakness are all in trouble equally.

[Pidgeotto Trainer]

Gardevoir is the top deck IMO because its weak to its own type,
Gardevoir ex is also weak to Grass which is why Blazkien w/Exeggutor can have an advantage. I definitely think Gard ex and Blaziken/Delcatty/Exeggutor are the top 2 right now. I have been playtesting a couple variations of my rouge Sharpedo/Espeon/Arcanine deck and it just can't beat those top 2 consistantly. Both can rebuild so quickly even if you do ko one of their big hitters. Sceptile looks to be the best besides that which is my next test subject. ;)

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

Pidgeotto Trainer, IMO K-Tops ex is #1 because Sat. I won a whole tourney beating Blazeiken/Eggy and 2 Sceptiles. If you play ti with Xatu it is unbeatable. Also play it with Wobbuffet and Gardevoir is Dead. Haven't played against Blaze/Delcatty though. Check my sig. for the deck

[ToysRUsKid]

lol dude, nothing is "unbeatable". Tops isn't #1, it is not constant enough. Quit thinking your deck is the best because it aint, any deck can rise up for a tourney win. Look at Zam/Kecleon. It's good, but it aint the best, hell. no decks in eon are the best. It's all about how you play it, the setup.

[SuperSaiyanEevee]

Truk, I'm saying that everyone says Blaze/Eggs is the greatest deck, and what I mean is that Tops beat that deck. Still, I'm not saying my deck is the best. Zam/Kecleon was weird when i tried it out but I guess we'll have to see after ex Dragons come out. Besides, My Opinion is that Tops ex is #1. But, maybe it isn't. Gardevoir and Blaziken are still good
~Eevee

[SteveP]

Okay, after doing some playtesting tonight, I'm finding that Chicken/Eggs (with Kitty in my version), can consistantly beat Gardevoir. So, I take back my comment that Gardevoir is the best. Seems to me now that it's Rock/Paper/Scissors for the top decks because my Bite Back deck (Cacturne/RK9/Sharpedo) consistantly beats Aggron and Chicken/Eggs decks.

But, if you can get that Gardevoir deck steamrolling, it's certainly unstoppable, IMO. But that's the KEY, it must be steamrolling, or Gardevoir decks are not better than any other top deck out there.

[KinGdrATrainer]

I like most kingdra decks. Mostly all of them have been powerful. A new deck that i thought of might be able to kill BLAZIKEN only because of the weekness. Kingdra Ex and Azumarill. Its pretty strong, glad i thought of it. Basicly what you do is rare candy the horse and use drizzle and power the kingdra up. the hard thing is, is getting all the energies you need to complete the combo. Kingdra ex only takes 3 energies to do 50 plus 2o more for each extra water energy attached to it. and if you get rewal desperate use max bubbles eith Azumarill. I would like to see people playing it in the future turnies. you can see about more information about the deck in the stratigies section the name of topic is called "HYDRO DRIZZLE" I hope to see you check it out and give me some hints on what to put in and take out

[SwampertEX]

Dude, hate to tell ya this, but Drizzle only works on Azumarill, not other Pokemon...

[sneaselsrevenge]

I played a revised version of my Raindance ex deck at my tourney and it didn't do so badly...

People focus so much on beating Grdevoir now, that they build decks especially to counter it. Which is why in my Gardy deck, I play the most underrated card in NMF: Time Shard!! You knock out my active Gardy Ex? That's OK. Now I have another fully powered one thanks to that. I also have a Shiftry/Espeon deck to counter others Gardevoirs.

[sneaselsrevenge]

Wouldnt ya rather use fisherman. 4 > 2

Why bring 4 energy back to your hand, when you can attach unlimited to the Poke of your choice?

[SwampertEX]

Yeah Pat, you only attatch 2 energy to the new active poke, not an unlimited amount... But I think my new Cacturne/Swampert deck'll give Gardy a run for its money! lol
-Ben

[sneaselsrevenge]

.....You lost me =(. What do you mean.

Nevermind, I misread the card. Fisherman would be better. I swear I've got to be illiterate.

[SwampertEX]

Nevermind, I misread the card. Fisherman would be better. I swear I've got to be illiterate. Or purdy darn close! lol