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ARMondak
07/27/2005, 09:48 PM
R1: 64 1-0, 64 0-1

R2: 32 2-0, 64 1-1, 32 0-2

R3: 16 3-0, 48 2-1, 48 1-2, 16 0-3

R4: 8 4-0, 32 3-1, 48 2-2, 32 1-3, 8 0-4

R5: 4 5-0, 20 4-1, 40 3-2, 40 2-3, 20 1-4, 4 0-5

R6: 2 6-0, 12 5-1, 30 4-2, 40 3-3, 30 2-4, 12 1-5, 2 0-6

R7: 1 7-0, 7 6-1, 21 5-2, 35 4-3, 35 3-4, 21 2-5, 7 1-6, 1 0-7

For anyone wanting to know, "Will X-X make T32?" there's your answer.

jesschow12
07/27/2005, 09:53 PM
duh...the calculation seems confusing to me,in order to get T32 in the 64 players swiss format,the max no. of rounds u can lose is 2,if u exceed that 2 then say bye bye

Dom
07/27/2005, 10:03 PM
Based on those calculations some 4-3's will make T32.

Flaming_Spinach
07/27/2005, 11:16 PM
Yep. 3 people that go 4-3 will make the top cut. I bet the other 32 won't be very happy.

That is of course, providing those numbers are true.

Pidgeotto Trainer
07/27/2005, 11:17 PM
Thanks, I was doing that during lunch on a napkin last year. :biggrin:

supertyranitar
07/27/2005, 11:20 PM
Thanks for putting that up, I hope i can break that curse this year.

Flaming_Spinach
07/27/2005, 11:24 PM
Just checked the numbers. They're all right. Only possibility is that more than 128 people are invited.

SomethingElse
07/28/2005, 05:46 AM
that's assuming there's exactly 128....with 127 or lower, or even higher, or an odd amount, it gets very tricky....

metagross
07/28/2005, 05:56 AM
it gets very tricky with any number which isnt 2^x. You then have to assume that those with higher records will beat those with lower ones, but then its not as accurate. Calculation provided above is absolutely correct.

However, I assume that number of players in each group will be higher than 128 based on calculation in some other thread here.

TheDarkTwins
07/30/2005, 07:32 PM
Um There is Atleast 156 Invites in each Age Group Per My Knowledge...
28 More Than Last Year...
JLYK...
Drew

Rew
07/30/2005, 07:43 PM
I donno if I should of read this but I did. For lucks sake.

*Preyin'*no more than 2 losses 3 is 2 risky!!!!*Preyin'*

Cyrus
07/30/2005, 10:46 PM
In 15+, I expect a couple 5-2's to die on resistence, or MAYBE 1-2 4-3's slip in on resistence.

In 11-14, I expect a fair share, but still a wide minority of 4-3's to top cut

in 10-, most of the 4-3's will top cut.

Just my opinion.

Scizor
07/31/2005, 10:53 AM
I doubt it is only going to be 7 rounds for 160 people. I don't know. I would rather try figuring that one out. 128 isn't happening. It is statistically impossible with more invites due to top 4 last year getting invites.

metagross
07/31/2005, 12:55 PM
just noticed it says over 400 players on op.pokemon-tcg.com

SuperWooper
07/31/2005, 12:57 PM
Number of invites given to each country in the 15+ age group:

USA:
49 Gym Challenges: 49
13 Regional Championships: 26
'05 Nationals: 4
'05 Canadian Nationals: 3
'04 World Championships: 1
Total: 83

Canada:
'05 Canadian Nationals: 4
2 Gym Challenges: 2
Total: 6

Japan:
'05 Japan National Championships: 8
'04 World Championships: 3
Total: 11

UK:
'05 UK Nationals: 4
Total: 4

Belgium:
'05 Belgium Nationals: ? (4 Invites overall, not 15+)
Total: ?

Germany:
'05 German Nationals: 4
Total: 4

Mexico:
'05 Mexico Nationals: 4
2 Gym Challenges: 2
Total: 6

New Zealand:
'05 NZ Nationals: 4
Total: 4

These numbers are far from complete, and I especially need to know who placed in the Top 4 at Belgium Nats so I can determine if Belgium Nationals (which was an open event, I'm pretty sure) was won by people from their own country or not. I think I remember reading that 2nd place was irwinmalek, who is from England, so I need the results for there to be anything but a question mark in that position.

Disclaimer (thanks, Scizor): These numbers will not necessarily be correct because some invites were earned in the 11-14 age group and the winners of those invites will turn 15 before the beginning of the World Championships.

SomethingElse
07/31/2005, 12:59 PM
plus the 3 that got invites at canadian nats woop....

SuperWooper
07/31/2005, 01:04 PM
plus the 3 that got invites at canadian nats woop....

I thought only Canadians could get invites at Canadian Nationals. Hmm. Thanks for the heads up, Else.

Two questions, though:
1) Does that mean that SlimeyGrimey will be the only Canadian (with the exception of Joner, who T4'd at last year's event) representing his country in the 15+ division at Worlds?

2) Were any other foreign National/Stadium qualifier invites won by United States residents besides Canada?

SomethingElse
07/31/2005, 01:07 PM
no, what happened was, let's say, like what happened, 3 US and 1 Canadian T4'ed. The top 4 canadians would still get invited with trips, but the US players that T4'ed (or worse since i had an invite and 5th seed didn't) would get a brand new invite, so 4 canadians still got invites....
edit: i think the only ones where us won invites was in canada....(also, canada had GC's)

metagross
07/31/2005, 01:09 PM
Well, most international Nationals had a total of 4 invites (with exceptions of bigger countries), however many of those players will not make it, because the trip would cost them too much. From ours Nationals only I will make it after all (my sig). I guess we should make a list with all intl. nats and no. of invites available there.

*runs to Intl section to make one.*

Venusaur
07/31/2005, 01:13 PM
Well, most international Nationals had a total of 4 invites (with exceptions of bigger countriesBigger countries had MORE than 4 invites?!

SuperWooper
07/31/2005, 01:19 PM
no, what happened was, let's say, like what happened, 3 US and 1 Canadian T4'ed. The top 4 canadians would still get invited with trips, but the US players that T4'ed (or worse since i had an invite and 5th seed didn't) would get a brand new invite, so 4 canadians still got invites....
edit: i think the only ones where us won invites was in canada....(also, canada had GC's)

Mmmk, this clears things up. Thx, Else. (And BTW, you now occupy my previous spot on the post count list at #9. Metal Master bumped me down again to #11. Just a random fact that I'm sure you weren't interested in. :P)

Metagross, yeah that would be a good idea. Although I'm pretty sure that you won't need to check and see who's coming, because the foreign players who don't come will have their invites up for grabs at the grinder, right? It would be nice to know how many representatives we're getting from other countries, though.

I'll continue to edit the list until we have a fairly accurate projection for how many people will be coming in the 15+ age group because I have absolutely nothing better to do. =/

metagross
07/31/2005, 01:19 PM
2 per age group in United Kingdom at least

Scizor
07/31/2005, 03:13 PM
Joner, Jordan H., and like at least 2 others won as 11-14 and are going to be in 15+ It is hard to get an exact number.

Lord Broly
07/31/2005, 03:31 PM
Number of invites give to each country for the 15+ age group:

USA:
49 Gym Challenges: 49
13 Regional Championships: 26
'05 Nationals: 4
'05 Canadian Nationals: 3
'04 World Championships: 1
Total: 83

Canada:
'05 Canadian Nationals: 4
'04 World Championships: 1
Total: 5

Japan:
'05 Japan National Championships: 8?
'04 World Championships: 3
Total: 11?

UK:
'05 UK Nationals: 4
Total: 4

Belgium:
'05 Belgium Nationals: ? (4 Invites overall, not 15+)
Total: ?

Germany:
'05 German Nationals: 4
Total: 4

These numbers are far from complete, and I especially need to know who placed in the Top 4 at Belgium Nats so I can determine if Belgium Nationals (which was an open event, I'm pretty sure) was won by people from their own country or not. I think I remember reading that 2nd place was irwinmalek, who is from England, so I need the results for there to be anything but a question mark in that position.

There were Canadian Gym Challenges to. So you might want
to take that into account Wooper.

Pablo
08/01/2005, 09:30 AM
Mexico:

4 from Nationals
2 from Gym Challenges

sadlt tho only like 2 maybe 3 ARE using their invites.

SuperWooper
08/01/2005, 09:34 AM
Mexico:

4 from Nationals
2 from Gym Challenges

sadlt tho only like 2 maybe 3 ARE using their invites.

Cool, thanks Mudkip. I'll update, as well as update with 2 Canadian Gym Challenges. That puts Mexico and Canada at six invites each.

AXE
08/01/2005, 09:52 AM
What about all the players that drop! There was like 50 some ppl who dropped last year.

Rock Lock
08/01/2005, 01:07 PM
POP should really have a math guy handy to do calculations at major tournaments so that tiebreaks/resistance is more towards letting some of the lower record players in as opposed to knocking out the higher players out. POP shouldnt have allowed 4 people to miss the cut with 6-2 at nationals. 4 "5-3's" making it makes people a LOT more happy than 4 "6-2's" missing it. Just add a round if you have to. Ohh wait, that's impossible, you cant run another round because you have to finish the tourney before 9:00 PM! :rolleyes: .