most broken card EVER

[blastoise1992]

I want people here on the 'gym to discuss this topic.
IMO i think the MOST broken card ever would either be gust of wind or energy removal.
Tell me what you guys think.

[Flaming_Spinach]

Most broken card ever:

Neo Genesis Slowking (english version only)


Second Most:

Item Finder (The ability to use 6 Gust of Wind or 8 SER? That's crazy!)


Runner-ups:

Gust of wind
ER and SER (they're both incredibly broken)

[dragonspy900]

Please explain why so this won't become a poll

I think Slowking and Sneasel for Neo Gen because they were banned from Neo-on because thee so dang broken

[eauxmar]

Umezawa's Jitte...wait wrong game =(

[PokePop]

Bill.


Actually, Prof Oak.

[Dark Weedle]

>>>>>Dark Weedle is the most broken card ever<<<<<<. No actually that would have to be Oak.

[Shiloh Phoenix]

Super energy removal. how many games were won by that card? Or wait, I say just energy in general. how many games were won with energy? ALL OF EM.

[Gatsu]

and in current format (HL-on)?

[mac5hoops]

u all know that whischash>u

[Flaming_Spinach]

how many games were won with energy? ALL OF EM.

Nope. Ever heard of the Energyless deck?

As for HL-on, it's got to be Pidgeot. Pidgeot rocks.

[ZAKtheGeek]

Scizor. Weezing. BLISSEY!!!

[Shellshock929]

Charizard from Base set. It pwns.

[charking]

Why not just move this to the poll section instead of locking it tho...?(asking before it does get locked)

[david0925]

Professor Oak= Most broken card ever. Drawing 7 new cards, one of which is likely to be another oak -_-

In current format, the most broken card is probably Medicam EX due to the fact it is very easy to set up, has an attack that can be manipulated to great potential, and a second attack that does more damage to those with resistance than to those who dont

[ryanvergel]

u all know that whischash>u


Agreed.

Whiscash is broken.

[rokman]

Whiscash is like the greatest card ever made, it's better than oak.

<>< rokman

[Holy Star]

Retro Energy. 'Nuff said. =P

[JokerBoi]

I would say slowking, ER, and gust of wind for before. I would say Rare Candy for modified

[spartan-104]

modified=jirachi
unlimited=i agree with moss about SER(i changed my mind =P)

[Benlugia]

no. no. no. no. no.
sigh
a card that is broken is a card that doesn't rely on other cards. in other words, a card that you can ALMOST ALWAYS USE in ANY situation. medicham relies on meditite, therefore, not being broken. same with all other evolutions.
jirachi is FAR from broken now that the format is way twisted (and will probably be more twisted when delta species comes out).
right now, the most broken card would have to be mary's request, if it's in a deck with no stage 2's. its auto 3 cards basically.
or
rocket's admin.

[rokman]

Benlugia - But wouldn't mary's rely on you not having stage 2's?

<>< rokman

[david0925]

no. no. no. no. no.
sigh
a card that is broken is a card that doesn't rely on other cards. in other words, a card that you can ALMOST ALWAYS USE in ANY situation. medicham relies on meditite, therefore, not being broken. same with all other evolutions.
jirachi is FAR from broken now that the format is way twisted (and will probably be more twisted when delta species comes out).
right now, the most broken card would have to be mary's request, if it's in a deck with no stage 2's. its auto 3 cards basically.
or
rocket's admin.

thats like saying Energy Cards are most broken in current format because you cant win without them (unless your opponent is idiot enough to OPTIONALLY mulligen-draw their whole deck )

[wishirulz]

rocket's sneasel

[Benlugia]

dude, your opponent only draws due to a mulligan when you have no basics.
and you can theoretically win without the use of energy cards, it's just very difficult to pull off.
rockman: this is true, which is why i meant that in a deck that doesn't have stage 2's, mary's request is broken. it doesn't require a cost or anything, just that you don't have stage 2's in the deck.
however, having said that, it causes me to rethink mary's request like that, and bump it up to QUITE POSSIBLY the most broken card in modified--because you are drawing at LEAST one card without a cost/requirement.

[rokman]

Benlugia, -__- it's rokman.

Mary's request is not the most broken card in a deck with or without stage 2's.

Whiscash is.

Venusaur - gooder? oh yes, thats nice.

<>< rokman

[spartan-104]

ben do you even know how to play?i swear you cant say that medicham isnt broken JUST because its an evoloution.so pidgeot isnt broken just because its an evo?omg it can get ANY card in your WHOLE deck.the term "broken"means bends the rules,pidgeot does this,medicham does this,sneasel from NEO wasnt broken cuz it needs dark energys?

jeez.

[Benlugia]

sorry about that rokman--used to typing in "rockman" because its megaman's japanese name.
jeremy, tv reporter requires you to ditch a card. however, with mary's, regardless if you get something you need or not, you are drawing a card without a cost at all. its something for nothing. the only POSSIBLE cost i can think of is like, actually PLAYING the card down on the table, forcing your hand size to decrease by one card, only to be back to what it was/or +2 more cards, depending on the situation.
oh, and spartan, stop flaming me, now. fighting over the net over pokemon is like, the definition of stupidity.

[Strike]

Item-Finder,/Computer Search, easily. I used to say professor oak, but just the ability to look for whatever you needed in your deck NONETHELESS bring back trainers once you've already used them is just too good.

Countless games have been decided solely on the abilities of Computer search/ Item-finder.

Pluspower/Gust of wind are pretty high up there as well.

[Flaming_Spinach]

Does anyone remember Erikas Jigglypuff? Or Rockets Zapdos? Or Base Gastly?

[ZaPpY_HaPpY]

Rocket's Zapdos, Energy Removal and Super Energy Removal too

[Holy Star]

Or Base Gastly?Uh, come again?!

And, to really support Ben's arguement, Medicham IS good.

However, putting Medicham into any old deck just doesn't work. You have to play it as T2, which means you have to use DX Jirachi, ER2, and Pokemon Reversal as well. So, you really have to realize that while it is good, it just doesn't come close to OVERALL usefullness as say...Rare Candy. Or what was once THE staple in decks, Dunsparce. So, it really comes down to whatever the staple cards are, therefore the most useful, therefore most useful.

But I still say Retro Energy. :tongue:

[Tommy's Back]

Base Gastly Nope, can't fight it, ANY player who uses base set gastly can't lose! Guaranteed! :thumb:

Tom

[Moss Factor]

SER. It single-handedly nullified the worth of like 99% of the game's cards when it was legal. You simply COULD NOT play Stage 2 pokemon. It defined the entire format.

Close runners up are Lass and Cleffa (how hasn't this been named?). Lass+Eeek was so formidable that you could win or lose games simply on that alone. Both were anti-decking and crazy disruption. You could stall with Cleffa, it had free retreat, and allowed you to set up very easilly. The fact that I can't think of a single deck that didn't play 4 Cleffa is huge. Most decks played 4 lass as well, good decks anyways.

Professor Oak was killer in its day, because the draw in the game was so limited. Once more draw came out, Professor Oak's worth was (and still is) severely dissapated. No longer is the game a bunch of 4/4/4/4 cards with two or three different BBPs to balance out your weaknesses, draw, energy, and disruption all maxed out. In those days you could afford to Oak your hand away, because, chances are, there were 3 more copies of whatever cards were in your hand, and you really only needed 1 or 2 copies of them anyway. Nowadays, with lots of tech and smaller lines, you simply can't afford to just drop your hand anymore. I think most players for the Unlimited Professor Championship thing at Worlds 2003 ran a 1 Elm, 1 Oak, 2 Copycat line as draw in their deck. I'd imagine that Admin would find a home in today's decks.

Honorable mention: CPU, Slowking, Metal Energy (when it could be used with TRZ and Chansey), and IF.

[Myn_donos]

America Neo Slowking. Lass SER, ER, ER2, Rockets Admin, Team Rockets Reap, Oak, bill, Mary's request, Dunsparce, ninjask(DX), shedinja(DR), ursaring, zapdos ex, articuno ex, moltres ex, scizo ex, dark steelix, registeel ex(HL), metagross(DX) metagross EX, and anything else that was big that i might ahve missed(venasour/EX as well, energy trans is wicked, sceptile for that matter as well)

[Flaming_Spinach]

Myn donos - Why don't you just name every card ever released then?


So this isn't complete spam: Any card that makes an otherwise 'usable' card 'unusable' is broken. Thus Slowking is the brokenest card ever, because it makes so many good cards unusable.

[NoPoke]

I'd almost agree with Moss, except that I think that it was Prof Oak that defined the early format.

SER would be on my list of number 2 cards for the early format. But it was Prof Oak that almost guaranteed that you got what you wanted and very nearly turned the whole game into heads I win.

That said there isn't much between Prof Oak, SER or even plus power as dominant cards.

==========

Current Modified.. No idea! What are the Japanese currently playing *grin*

[lunatone_solrock]

DCE, anyone?

I'd say Gust of Wind beacuse it's broken!!! (and I play it in Unlimited :tongue: )
Rare Candy, Professor Oak, Recycle Energy, Slowking, Pidgeot....

[Daddiursa]

I know Cleffa has been named (late but not forgotten). It supports an incerdible fast beginning, Oak, Elm, then Eeeeeeek and you have run thru approx half your deck by the start of turn 2... That spells broken in my book. I also would mention Recycle Energy, which truly could be abused with SER and also Focus Band, which on a baby-pokemon could give your opponent grey hair...

[lunatone_solrock]

Baby + Focus Band = :eek:
Focus Band + Buffer = :eek: :eek:

[PokePop]

I don't think I'd say SER. It was up there, but ER was more broken.

Most Broken Energy card: DCE
Most Broken Trainer: Prof Oak (with lots of Base Set Trainers breathing down it's neck)
Most Broken Baby: Cleffa
Most Broken Stage 1: Slowking

[homeofmew]

Most Broken Cards: Rare Candy, Base Blastoise
Typhosion Ex, Bill, Sabrina's Gaze

[Dom]

I have no idea how good most of these cards were since I haven't been playing long. But looking at them now.... it seems (S)ER, Prof Oak and Computer Search seem kinda broken. I don't know how unlimited works but I'd guess from these cards its easy to get Pokémon set up but enough Energy to use big attacks almost impossible? So I'd guess things like Blastoise and maybe Colorless types (that can attack with Boost Energy) do well? Dunno.

Modified.... Scizor ex.....

[Jariel]

everybody forgot about dunsparce SS (sighs)

[saferkian]

Computer Search of Base Set, it's the best card, every unlimited deck has it in. discard 2 cards and look your deck, take 1 card, it's the best. Professor Oak too. Perhaps Recycle Energy, tyrogue, Cleffa are broken cards too!

[eriknance]

I can truly only speak for Modified, as I didn't play during the WOTC days.

In my opinion, the singlemost broken card that has been a staple in many, many decks is Ancient Technical Machine [Rock]. This card lowers the playing field to the previous evolution for every Pokemon that it is being played against, which can either knock out multiple Pokemon or knock off those certain special Energy's (Scramble, Double Rainbow). I remember playing a game in which my opponent played an ATM [Rock] and knocked out four of my Pokemon in one move.

One of the most popular decks around even has the card in its name (Rock-Lock), and I would bet that many games have been won or turned around simply because of this one card.

[Shellshock929]

Unlimited rocks. Boy I miss those good ol' days with the "hard to get the Charizard Card or Do the Wave Wigglytuff decks were all the rage or Blastoise's Rain Dance, Venusaur's energy Trans or the Damage Swap/Chansey/Pokemon Center combo." I miss it so much as how I hate the bootleg cards that people made in which some people got arrested for. What else do anyone remembers?

Sorry if I go off topic but there were broken decks.

[eriknance]

Unlimited rocks. Boy I miss those good ol' days with the "hard to get the Charizard Card or Do the Wave Wigglytuff decks were all the rage or Blastoise's Rain Dance, Venusaur's energy Trans or the Damage Swap/Chansey/Pokemon Center combo." I miss it so much as how I hate the bootleg cards that people made in which some people got arrested for. What else do anyone remembers?

Sorry if I go off topic but there were broken decks.

Now I do actually remember Wigglytuff and "Do The Wave," as that was right before I retired from Pokemon. And when I pulled out my old cards recently and built a deck, he was definitely the first thing I went for. I think I had him, "Devolution Beam" Mew, and that Aerodactly that stops Evolution Cards. Fun stuff.

[PokePop]

OK, getting off topic.
Can reminisce on the "PokeGym- Five Years Ago" Article which happens to be on the front page right now. That's about the right time frame for Wigglytuff domination.

[Kevin89]

Unl: SER, Gust, Oak, r. zapdos
Mod: Candy, swoop!, surprise!, pidgeot, jirachi, legendary birds ex

[Scizor]

I agree with Moss here, it has to be SER. ER has no drawbacks, BUT it is only one energy. SER got 2 off of theirs and comboed with such things as Zapdos and MP Mewtwo so well at the time. Lass has to be up there too, the combo with Cleffa was disgusting.

Modified, I don't know, I can't really think of a card that doesn't have SOME counter. Pidgeot has BF, the draw is all supporters. The disruption cards have drawbacks. I believe Admin is a NEAR broken card, but I don't know that I can think of any cards that are just BROKEN with ZERO drawbacks. SER and Lass had amazing combos to go with them, everything in Modified seems like it can be shutdown in SOME way.

[Burninating_Torchic]

it's obviously Shedinja SP.
Oh wait, we're talking real cards? =P

[Bobby]

Whiscash is the most broken.

[Prime]

Wow, I can't believe nobody has mentioned Imakuni. When you draw it, your active is automatically confused...THATS AWESOME!

[XBlock]

double collerless? metal nrg? dark nrg? Rare candy?

[Moss Factor]

SER defined the format. Professor Oak would have been in people's decks regardless, it was just a solid card, but strait up brokenness I would say would have to change the way people think about the metagame in general. Would decks not be able to function without Professor Oak in the format? I argue that the same decks would have been around. BBP decks would maybe have been even BETTER, because you could operate without having to find the evolutions and could come out of the gate swinging.

SER made it so almost every single Stage 2 was unplayable (except for Blastoise, because it had a power that got around SER, however with Lass, Blastoise wasn't playable, IMHO). It made it so almost ALL Stage 1 Pokemon were unplayable as well. Wiggly wouldn't have been playable if not for DCE. Clefable attacks for 1 energy, plays around SER beautifly. I can't think of many more evolutions that were truely playable, but if they were, they had SOME way of getting around SER.

We all know how killer ER2 flips are these days, and SER was more powerful AND guaranteed to work. It set the opponent back two turns, making it almost manditory to run a Pokemon that can attack for 1. Not every deck ran ER, but I'm almost positive that every single one ran SER. Regardless if they all ran them or not, it was a card you had to think about in construction of every single deck. Sneasel didn't do that, Slowking perhaps-- but King wasn't nearly as widespread. Lass and Cleffa were such a powerful combo that it essentially FORCED you to play Cleffa yourself, making both of them very powerful.

I look at cards that are solid as ones like Elm, Oak, CPU search, but for it to be flat out broken, in my book, it needs to change the way you build decks and the entire metagame works. You need to have posts on the gym saying, "BAN THIS CARD I CAN'T BEAT JIMMY AT LEAGUE CUZ HE RUNS IT IN ALL HIS DECKS." Super Energy Removal was one of those cards. Its perfectly splashable, and is very flexible. The most broken card this game has ever seen.

[SuperWooper]

It's a toss-up for me.

SER
Slowking
CPU

Probably in that order, but Slowking might come before SER. Fossil Muk also ranks pretty high, but it's completely dependent on your opponent using a deck with powers, and not all unlimited decks have 'em. Cleffa is somewhere up there with Muk, IMO, but it doesn't beat those three.

[Flaming_Spinach]

As for Modified: Why hasn't anyone mentioned Pow! yet? All you need to do is let your opponent take one prize, then hit them with a flurry of Pow!s, and you can take a commanding lead in any game.

Although Pidgeot is still far better in my opinion.

[PokePop]

Serious discussion here. Let's keep the [insert funny/weak card] remarks off of the topic. Thanks.

[jesschow12]

unl: DCE is the most broken ever seen IMO or perhaps gold berry too?

modified: rarecandy ,scramble

[eriknance]

unl: DCE is the most broken ever seen IMO or perhaps gold berry too?

modified: rarecandy ,scramble

Yeah, Scramble Energy would probably be up there in Modified, considering the card can count for three Rainbow Energies without the damage penalty - if you are losing of course. Many people manipulate their decks in order to activate Scramble Energies. We all saw how the Dark T-Tar / Scramble Energy / Electrode ex combo worked at Worlds, so it's not entirely inconceivable to be able to maximize the "broken-ness" of the Scramble Energy.

Though many people don't notice it, a first-turn Rare Candy can very well decide the game (for instance, a first-turn Pidgeot or first-turn Nidoqueen). Two decks can be running exactly the same thing - down to every single card - and one deck can completely dominate the other deck based on a first-turn "something" with Rare Candy.

So yeah, these two cards are, in my opinion, very "broken."

[fchangus2]

IMHO, the most broken cards are Slowking, SER/ER, and then GOW, in that order.

Can someone explain to me why Rocket's Zapdos is considered to be a broken card?

[Son of Leod]

What about Base Blastoise. With a good draw, you can have a water poke up and doing max damage on the first turn.

I'd also think about Sneasel and concur on Rockets zapdos.

Before they lost the license, the WOTC master trainers took on all comers with R Zapdos/Sneasel decks that were pretty tuff.

[gunycabj]

Unlimited Trainers: SER, Oak, Itemfinder, Lass
Unlimited pokemons: Cleffa( Eeeeeeek+Lass in first turn, best combo in ALL the game), Tyrogue, Vileplume Ex(just awesome), Muk, and Banete can be awesome sometimes.
Modified Trainers:eeeeeeeem, swoop? Admin? not pretty sure...
Modified pokes: i guess jirachi, but also Medicham and pidgeot

[bass_forte]

SER, ER, Gust of Wind, Cleffa (Promo, draw 2 cards), Jungle Clefable, Pidgeot, Oak, Rare candy, Dunsparce...

I'd say that Jungle Clefable tops the list. Just Dragon Rage my Gyarados EX, why don't you?! >>:

[lunatone_solrock]

I'd say that Jungle Clefable tops the list. Just Dragon Rage my Gyarados EX, why don't you?! >>:
Woah! You're right!
With all these powerful Pokemon-ex in in palying arena, Clefable is all-in-one.

Ditto from Skyridge's great too but the low HP really kills it.

[Cross Fire88]

I might as well put my input in. The three most broken cards ever are:

Sneasel:Banned from modified before it even seen play in a tournament. That speaks for itself I mean 4 Dark, 3 Sneasel can go into any deck.

Cleffa: Saves you from trap decks (lass), or can replinish your hand after doing using all your cards.

Slowking: Your opponent has to flip for trainers. And the more you have the more they flip. Nuff said

The most broken combos are

Tyrouge/Igglypuff+Focus Band (so you need to flips to knock this guy out)
Sneasel/Slowking+Chaos Gym (An attacker doing huge amounts of damage and your chancing your only way of getting back in the game)
Aerodactyl+ATM Rock (just think about it)
Rocket's Zapdos/Muk

In HL-on most broken cards are

Desert Ruins
Battle Frontier
Electrod Ex

[Shiloh Phoenix]

thats like saying Energy Cards are most broken in current format because you cant win without them (unless your opponent is idiot enough to OPTIONALLY mulligen-draw their whole deck )


I did that to a guy once...it was fun...

[Moss Factor]

I'd hardly say that any gym will ever be broken. I remember people freaking out about how broken Chaos gym was gonna be. Pfft, the thing is a joke.

[gunycabj]

Moss Factor is rigth, Chaos gym can finish a game if you have setup and your oppponent didnt or he needs IF (besides how terrible is that your opponent uses your own trainer)

[Cross Fire88]

Gyms cant be broken are you serious... How many decks have lost because of 4 Battle Frontier???? Or 4 Desert Ruins????? Or Slakings saved b/c of four ancient tombs???? You keep thinking that gyms aren't broken and run a deck without them and see how badly you get owned. Like that new Eternal Flame gym or whatever thats not going to BE A HUGE THING for fire decks. Pfft the things people say.

[yoshi1001]

Any free retreat baby. I can't count how many people I drove nuts with Cleffa...

Me: I'll retreat for Dark Alakazam then Teleport Blast for Cleffa.
Opponent: I'll attack and... (tails)

[Moss Factor]

yoshi1001: Please include a spoiler for cards like "Dark Alakazam," which have never been played in any deck, ever, including yours. I swear to god I don't know what "Dark Alakazam" does, or even if its really a pokemon card, or not.

[Pokeplayer]

The most "BROKEN" card ever is...................

Base Gastly................

[Flaming_Spinach]

Moss - Just for you (http://serebii.net/picture.php?TCG/Rocket/01-darkalakazam.jpg) :biggrin:


As for the 'gyms thing: A gym can only be broken depending on what your opponent is playing. BF may be broken vs. Rock Lock, but against ZRE or Ludicargo, it's wasted space. Gyms are only completely broken if it helps your own strategy, but those are rare and not usually very good.

[gunycabj]

Yes but chaos gym is good against every deck because all decks run trainers. I dont understnd that think of Dark Alakazam at least that is a joke. Whats good of a stage 2 with 60 hp that hits for 30 with PPC, only teleport blast? Its one of the worst Stages 2 I have ever saw, and Grumpig and dodrio have better Teleport Blast

[Myn_donos]

dark alakazam, 3 psy, 4 dark. 70 damge telport blast, switch with Mr mime(jungle i thikn) or baby, it becaomes VERY broken with energy root and rockets hideout. 100 hp.

[Cross Fire88]

Rocket was like the fourth set ever released and at the time those Dark stage 2s where some of the besst in the game. I think everyone remembers the rukus over dark blastoise/

[Muk Man]

most broken card...

not Gust...when gust was out you had a lot of pokemon with no retreat cost and very very few pokemon who could OHKO anybody so gust is not broken

energy removal...nope...because both players had energy removal so you take mine i take yours and the game is still balanced...the flips is more broken than the other if we both play 4 er2 and you flip 3 outa 4 heads and i flip none you have a three turn lead cause you got lucky... and there is nothing i can do about it...which is y games went so long back in the day


the most broken card is unown O and slowking!!! both their powers and way to strong...as they can be used from the bench!!!

[sebastianlugo]

neo genesis cleffa :thumb:

[gunycabj]

dark alakazam, 3 psy, 4 dark. 70 damge telport blast, switch with Mr mime(jungle i thikn) or baby, it becaomes VERY broken with energy root and rockets hideout. 100 hp.

7 energys?? How can you do that with one energy attachment per turn, besides the SER and the gust of wind, no i think i could never beat a good unlimited deck.