EX Dragon info

[thepeppokemon]

i am here at the prerelease in delaware ohio and i have a holo charmender, charmeleon and charizard!!!!

the prerelease card is an uncommon gyrados.

any ?'s ask

[Water Pokemon Master]

That's cool. What type of Water Pokémon are there?

[thepeppokemon]

some waters that i have are: seadra,crawdaunt,snorunt,barboach,whiscash,magikar p,corpish,horsea and mudkip

[Water Pokemon Master]

Darn it! They've had Typhlosion, Blakizen, and Charizard but no Blastoise or Feraligatr. It's not fair!

Do you see any powerful cards and have you gotten any EX Cards yet?

[thepeppokemon]

absols pretty powerful, and ive gotten latios and latias ex, my sister got a raquaza ex and i also got amphoros ex(its sweet) and ive seen all the other ex's(draognite, mukect...)

[Water Pokemon Master]

Is there a Swampert ex? Also, what kind of trainers are there?

[thepeppokemon]

charmander, charmeleon ajnd charizard are #'s 98/97 99/97/ and 100/97

[thepeppokemon]

i havent seen a swampert ex but some tariners are balloon berry,mr. brineys compassion and tv repoter are the ones i can remember off of my head

[Water Pokemon Master]

Well, I suppose those are the secret cards we have been hearing rumors about. What kind of art do they have? I am going to look up whether they were originally in any other type of promo or in the original EX Dragon.

[thepeppokemon]

all 3 of there art is by Mitsuhiro Arita and its pretty sweet. i gotta go lunch break is over

[SwampertEX]

What attacks does Charizard have!?! Are Latias/os ex any good!?!

[marril2k]

If anyone is intrested, we have a set list up over at Zeo (http://www.sugarshock.net/zeo). Just click the link the update titled "What’s In Dragon?". Hope this helps,

-marril

[SwampertEX]

No Pics!?! And he said Charizard was a Secret like Dark Raichu! Were is he!?!

[Water Pokemon Master]

If you want pics, check out my site tonight. One of my friends from PokeMasters is at a pre-release as we speak and is promising to send me in some scans when he gets back. If he doesn't get them to me tonight, then I will have some tomorrow when I go to one myself.

[thepeppokemon]

i would have some scans but im a carppy pc at the college the tourney is at

[Water Pokemon Master]

It's at a college? How weird.

Can you give us anymore info on the set that we don't know about?

[SwampertEX]

Can You Give Me Charizard's Stats!?!?!?!

[Water Pokemon Master]

I just looked at Zeo's list and there is Mudkip and Marshtomp, but no Swampert. Could it be another secret card?

[SwampertEX]

THAT WOULD BE AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!

[Water Pokemon Master]

Yes, it would be awesome - you liking Swampert and me liking all water Pokemon.

thepeppokemon is still online and is probably typing up more info for us. I am so anxious!

[SwampertEX]

ME TOO!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE ALL WATER POKEMON, JUST LIKE YOU!!!!!!! I'M SOOOOOOOO EXCITED!!!!!!!!

[Water Pokemon Master]

Then why do you have a Bellossom as your avatar? :)

thepeppokemon, what other events are going on? Is there a Pinball and Gameboy tourny or anything like that?

[SwampertEX]

'Cause Bellossom is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE pokemon!
Water Pokemon are second...

[thepeppokemon]

there is a gameboy side event w/ 3 level 50 or lower pokemon.
charizard-120hp
1 :fire: and :colorless energy
collect fire
flip a coin, if heads search your discard pile for 2 :fire: energies and attach them to charizard 30

:fire: :colorless :colorless :colorless Flame pillar 60
You may discard a :fire: energy attached to charizard. if you do, choose 1 of ur oppenents benched pokemon and do 30 damage to that pokemon
weakness: water
resistance: none
retreat :colorless :colorless

[SwampertEX]

I'm Buildin a deck around that too!!!

[Water Pokemon Master]

It's second attack is powerful. It can kill the bench Pokemon fast. What about Charmander and Charmeleon. Also, you said in your first post the Charmander was holo. Is that a typing error or is it holo?

[SwampertEX]

Prolly reverse...

[thepeppokemon]

no charmanders holo.
charmander 50hp
:fire: flare
:colorless :colorless rage 10+
Does 10 damage plus 10 more for eachdamage counter on chamrmander
weakness water
resistance none
retreat cost :colorless

Charmeleon 70 hp
:fire: Smokescreen 10
If the defending pokemon tries to attack, flip a coin, if tails it does nothing.

:fire: :colorless Fireworks 40
Flip a coin, if tails discard a :fire: energy attached to charmeleon

weakness water
resistance none
Retreat cost :colorless

[Water Pokemon Master]

Are they both rare? Or are they common and uncommon and holo?

[thepeppokemon]

charmmander, charmeleon and charizard are all rare holo

[Water Pokemon Master]

Wow, this is a first! Maybe in future sets they will have the Bulba and Squirtle lines as holo versions. I can't wait to see the holo Chars!

[thepeppokemon]

i hope so. the chars are sweet

[TheDancingPeanut]

:fire: :colorless :colorless :colorless Flame pillar 60
You may discard a :fire: energy attached to charizard. if you do, choose 1 of ur oppenents benched pokemon and do 30 damage to that pokemon
weakness: water
resistance: none
retreat :colorless :colorless
I got excited as I read that, I thought it said that he had no weakness. silly me.

[Cyrus]

To put it bluntly, I can't and won't believe this until pictures are up, or I see it personally at the tourny tomorrow. :rolleyes:

However, if this info's accurate, then this is definitely a first in PTCG! :D

[Water Pokemon Master]

What tournament are you going to? Also, why would you not believe that those cards don't exist when thepeppokemon says that he has them?

[irwinmalek]

Believe it, it's true

[SwampertEX]

I'm thinkin' the Secrets are only in Foreign packs... That'd Suck!!!

[GymLeaderPhil]

Okay, lets clear some things up:

There are only three secret cards, Charmander, (98/97) Charmeleon (99/97), and Charazard (100/97). They are available in all booster packs, North America and Europe. All three are holographic rares. I do not have the cards in front of me, so I cannot confirm that the spoiler given is 100% accurate, but looks fairly similar to what I saw when judging today.
-Phil

[Water Pokemon Master]

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm a little dissapointed that there are no other secret cards. Oh well....

[Cyrus]

Sorry WPM, it's just that I don't normally believe someone, even if they say that they HAVE the cards. A person's word isn't solid evidence, but from what several others have said, I'm willing to believe it now.

But here's another thing: are we getting US-only cards, or are these from the possible ADV5?

[Water Pokemon Master]

My friend from PokeMasters, Misdreavus, went to a Dragon Pre-Release and pulled the secret Charmander card! To view the card, click the link below. Thanks Misdreavus!

http://pokebeach.topcities.com/adv3/Charmander.jpg

[Red5bv06]

I got the Charizard, so I'll go ahead and place the spoiler here:

120 HP
RC - Collect Fire 30 - flip a coin, if heads attach two fire energy from discard pile to charizard
RCCC - Flame Pillar 60 - You may discard a fire energy, if you do, do 30 damage to any of your opponent's benched pokemon
Water Weakness, 2 Retreat

I mean, how much potential does this guy have? TONS

[PokePop]

Sorry WPM, it's just that I don't normally believe someone, even if they say that they HAVE the cards. A person's word isn't solid evidence, but from what several others have said, I'm willing to believe it now.

But here's another thing: are we getting US-only cards, or are these from the possible ADV5?

As far as I know, this is the first appearance of these cards.

Yep, super-secret cards that the US gets first.

Not only that, but while many of the sandstorm cards have later turned up in Japanese sets, I surprised that few people have realized that we got a lot of them first too!

[Nick15]

I just looked at Zeo's list and there is Mudkip and Marshtomp, but no Swampert. Could it be another secret card?

Not quite. Mudkip and Marshtomp were in the Japanese ADV4 set, not in the Japanese ADV3 set. (Err... Japanese ADV3 = English EX Dragon.) By the looks of it, certain cards from Japanese ADV4 were also added to Dragon (not unlike when certain cards from Japanese ADV4 were added to Sandstorm).

[Animefever]

Actually, Swampert EX is in ADV4 (Magma VS Aqua: Two Ambitions!) Same with Sceptile EX.

http://www.pokeschool.com/
Check it out and stop asking and saying "i want samper eX!"

Pokeschool > Set Info > Japanese > ADV4 (Magma vs Aqua: Two Ambitions!) > Pick.

[TheRealWobbuffet]

Yeah, they're probably just saving them for our EX4.

Overall this set looks cool. I like how they're doing the same thing in Dragon as in Sandstorm, in adding cards from ADV4 (I won't refer to it as EX1 because that gets it confused with our EX1), like Forretress and Mudkip and Marshtomp. This secret card thing is great. I love that Charmander card's art and I can't wait to see the Charmeleon and Charizard. The fact that they're all holo is cool too...hey if they can make a Brock's Zubat rare (not holo, but still rare) then they can make a Charmander rare holo.

[vincent0906]

Japanese EX1 =/= ADV4.....
ADV4 will be released in Japan at the beginning of 2004

[Benlugia]

i got 2 holo charmanders and 2 holo charizards at the prerelease....but i don't have a single charmelon.....darn....
o well...at least i came in 3rd in 15 and older and won 16 glorious packs!!! i even got 3 latias, 1 latios, 2 magcargo, 1 rayquazza, golem ex, and dragonite ex!!!

[Prime]

Impossible to collect though. We got one in every box! So if you want to actually play the card, you would have to play 9-10 ultra rare cards(rarer than ex's).

[soslowpoke]

Those 3 aren't ultra rare. Just as rare as any other holofoil in the set. EX's are the same.

(why does everyone think just because its a secret card that its automatically rarer than anything else)

[sneaselsrevenge]

I just looked at Zeo's list and there is Mudkip and Marshtomp, but no Swampert. Could it be another secret card?

Nope, no Swampert at all. My guess is they're using it to build anticipation for the next set in March

[Cyrus]

(why does everyone think just because its a secret card that its automatically rarer than anything else)

It has a lot to do with the shock factor, in my opinion. Here are a few case-specific examples:
-Simply seeing "secret" holographics is a big surprise. This is exactly like how people perceived Dark Raichu, because people didn't expect it at all!
-SEEING CHARMANDER AND CHARMELEON AS HOLOGRAPHICS! These cards are normally common/uncommon, so the idea makes anybody think, "Man, I SOOOO want a playset!" ;)
-This Charizard is the best one yet! The original was just awful, the Dark Charizard was nothing amazing or fast, the Blaine's Charizard was VERY sad, Shining Charizard was an all-time low for crappiness, and the easier-to-get Expedition Charizard was only just a little good. NOW, in a format with all sorts of cards, Charizard stands out as a major player.

Well, those are my 2 cents...or, specifically, 2,472 cents :thumb:

[BJJ763]

Does the Forretress, Graveler (card # 30), Horsea (common), Houndoom, Seadra (card # 40), Swellow, Geodude, (card # 56), Houndoom, Pineco, Spoink (card # 74), and Golem ex come from the Aqua/Magma (Adv1/ex) set that was recently released in Japan? I believe the Combusken, Groyvle, Marshtomp, Mudkip, Torchic, & Treecko do.

[RainbowRichards]

A very good list can be found here (http://www.pokemon-trading-cards.net/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=PTCGNEWS&Number=714523&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&vc=1)

[Gym Leader Blaine]

I really like this set, and have opened 7 boxes of it and have already started putting a deck together with it. I really liked the secret rares that we put in, cause even the TOs for the Dragon Prerelease were not even told about it. ;)

[TheRealWobbuffet]

It's awesome that we still got new cards before Japan, even with ADV EX1 released. Not only Charmander, Charmeleon, and Charizard, but also Horsea and Seadra, Spoink, and Houndour and Houndoom.

[0bserver]

My best guestimate is that the five (Houdour, Houndoom, Horsea, Seadra, and Spoink) will be in ADV5/EX2. It's a plausible theory, anyway.

[DarkSnake]

Ya theres some big heavy hitters in this set it will prolly have alot of decks build around them