juggler vs TV reporter

[jesschow12]

if u compare these 2 cards ,which one is better?

[Spectreon]

Well, they both have there uses. But most of the time I think Juggler would be used.

Juggler- Discard 1 nrg from hand/draw 3, or 2nrg from hand/draw 5

TV Reporter- Discard 1 card from your hand/draw 3

Mostly decks that use Kabuto/Ominyte will deffinitely go TV Reporter. The abillity to discard Kabuto/Ominyte and then bring it straight into play with Underground Lake (I think that is the right stadium) is good. Decks low on energy will also prolly use this, since you can disacard any card from hand.

Almost every other deck will include Juggler instead, especially those running cards like Magneton (Dragons) and Blazekin (RuSa). The ability to draw 2 extra cards is awsome, the catch is one or both most be energy.

[jdb728]

Well, they both have there uses. But most of the time I think Juggler would be used.

Juggler- Discard 1 nrg from hand/draw 3, or 2nrg from hand/draw 5

TV Reporter- Discard 1 card from your hand/draw 3

Mostly decks that use Kabuto/Ominyte will deffinitely go TV Reporter. The abillity to discard Kabuto/Ominyte and then bring it straight into play with Underground Lake (I think that is the right stadium) is good. Decks low on energy will also prolly use this, since you can disacard any card from hand.

Almost every other deck will include Juggler instead, especially those running cards like Magneton (Dragons) and Blazekin (RuSa). The ability to draw 2 extra cards is awsome, the catch is one or both most be energy.

I don't mean to criticize ;) , but I would like to point out that with Juggler, they have to be Basic Energy Card(s), again I don't mean to criticize, I just don't want to risk people tryin' to combo Juggler with Bounce Energy to draw 5 :cool: .

Anyway, to keep the post on topic, I believe Juggler is the overall better card(for the reasons Spectron stated), the possible 5 or just the auto 3 is nice, as compared to just the auto 3 with no chance for more with TV reporter, but also 1 reason why TV Reporter is nice, is the way that you can use it even if you don't have any other cards in your hand, as oppossed to stuff like Bill's Maintenence, and Juggler.

Thanks for reading. :cool:

[Prime]

Well I prefer TV Reporter because you don't have to discard a basic energy card. I mean if I am playing juggler early on, I might need my energy to power up my pokemon, but with TV Reporter, I can draw 3 and discard ANY card. I mean heck, I can discard a card I draw.

[Pidgeotto Trainer]

Unless your using something that relies on energy in discard pile (Blaziken) I think TV Reporter is better.

[YoungJohn06]

I think most of the time... Juggler, TV Reporter just does NOT cut it for a supporter. It's not good enough in my opinion. There's much better options... I don't think I'll ever play TV Reporter (unless some how it has some combo in another set with something and it's insanely awesome... or better cards get rotated out) There's better choices than TV Reporter. Juggler would probably be one... Juggler only fits in decks that really feed off of energy in the discard, (like Blaziken) so in a deck like that, you'd want to play Juggler over TV reporter, in other decks... there's other more useful stuff than TV Reporter. I don't really see it as much of a good card other than in draft and sealed... then it's pretty good. :)

[NoPoke]

There is another small factor in TV reporters favour. You discard after the draw, which means that TV reporter can be played evne when it is not possible to play Juggler.

Unless you specifically design your deck to make use of Jugglers draw five ability TV reporter is the better card.

[MonkeyMan]

Jeremy is 100% right

[Prime]

Dude I playtested TV Reporter and it kicked all mighty. I played it with magneton so I could discard a energy and draw 3 cards and then discard a card and get two energy back out of my discard, but still. AWESOME! Juggler doesn't work for decks that don't go get energy.

[MonkeyMan]

You GOT to be kidding me. Juggler doesnt work in blaziken eggs? thats just not true.

[Prime]

blaziken gets energy out of the discard pile, that is what I meant by going getting energy. either by getting it out of your deck, or your discard pile.

[Articjedi]

I can think of a use for TV reporter, drafting it when it's passed to you. That will probably be the most common use, juggler has a chance at five cards, so it will easily get picked over reporter. There might be a use when the next set comes out and Nick 15's spoiler is right.

[Prime]

no way juggler over tv reporter. So you get 2 more cards, you do have to discard 2 BASIC energy. If you don't have any energy then juggler=useless. If you want to power up your pokemon then juggler=useless. I mean atleast with tv reporter you can discard a middle evolution or basic or any card to get 3 cards. I mean you don't even have to have any cards in your hand to play it.

Tv Reporter >>>>> Juggler

[MonkeyMan]

but ironically enough both suck compared to birch =P j\k but anyways you play tv reporter if you dont have blaziken or kingdra then in that case you do.

[Articjedi]

no way juggler over tv reporter. So you get 2 more cards, you do have to discard 2 BASIC energy. If you don't have any energy then juggler=useless. If you want to power up your pokemon then juggler=useless. I mean atleast with tv reporter you can discard a middle evolution or basic or any card to get 3 cards. I mean you don't even have to have any cards in your hand to play it.

Tv Reporter >>>>> Juggler
Juggler is a specialized card, if you don't have basic energy in your hand, you're probably already losing.

[Prime]

All I am saying is that Juggler has a way worse cost than TV reporter. You MUST discard 1/2 BASIC energy cards BEFORE you play juggler. Don't have energy, sorry. What if you want to use your own energy in your hand and power up a pokemon? I guess juggler becomes useless for the turn. Sure it gives you five cards for 2 basic energy discard, but that's the only semi-good thing about it.

TV Reporter has so many levels to it. I mean you don't even have to have a hand. Just draw three and discard 1, that is a bill right there. Or if you do have a hand, draw three, discard a useless card from your hand. Ta-da! You now have three new cards and for the price of what? A crappy card you couldn't use. I wouldn't play TV reporter in every deck, especially in place of juggler in blaziken decks. SOme decks work with juggler like Mewtwo EX. Some don't and for all those that don't, which is a majority, TV Reporter is great to use in them.

I love the card. I hate that it is a supporter but I mean I love hand struction card likes birch and reporter where you don't shuffle your hand into your deck, you just add onto it.

[Flippin treeko]

Blech! Birch just doesn't make it into anything I've played yet, bill's maintenance is the better option in ebnergy retrieval decks. Haven't got any dragons cards yet, getting a box this w/end yuuummmmy! Think juggler'll see more play, why play TV reporter over oaks research etc? It's still top drwing and you only get 3, 2 if you discard one you just drew out, still I should play it before judging it!

[Ace28]

I would also have to say it depends on the factors of the game. If your playing a deck that you can easily waste basic energy and get it back you would obviously use Juggler. Anyway I think I like Juggler a little bit better all because of the options to discard 1 basic energy draw 3 or discard 2 basic energys draw 5 even though TV Reporter may be used at anytime since you can discard any card from your hand. But after thinking about it I decided that I would probably discard an energy using TV Reporter anyway so...yea. ;x

[Prime]

Why discard a energy? That would be so stupid. So many cards become useless after a time in the game. Stage 1 and basics are a big example of that. Later in the game where you don't need a middle stage or basic pokemon in play, you have no reason to discard it. Same with trainers. Maybe the statement doesn't apply to trainers as much as it does to pokemon but I would still discard a trainer than a energy. Trainers can sometimes be useless, like when you have a nurse in your hand and energy and damage on all your pokemon. I know I wouldn't play it.

Energy on the other hand is always useful. If you play energy switch in your decks like I do, it is always helpful to power up pokemon even past their limits. The reason is because you can lay a basic, lay a energy on that pokemon and energy switch a energy that isn't needed from one pokemon to that pokemon powering it up twice as fast as your opponent.

I guess if you don't play the right cards no card is good. I play a Magneton deck in which I can play TV Reporter, discard a lightning energy, draw 3. THen play Magneton's power and discard one of the three cards and recycle two basic energy from my discard back into my hand. It works so good that it should be illegal.

Sure you might think that Juggler might be better in this instance, but I would have to disagree. Sure you could juggler 2 energy and draw 5 then discard a card and recycle the 2 energy back into your hand. But that requires you to have energy in your hand. Alot of the time I would have layed my only energy to power up a pokemon, leaving Juggler useless in my hand. One card useless is one card too much. Although Juggler becomes useless with no energy in your hand, TV Reporter does not. Infact, you can be in ANY situation and still use TV Reporter. That is what I love about the card.

Better than Oak's Research? They are two different types of cards. One is a hand renewer and one is a hand addition card. To compare both would be like comparing potatos and tomatoes. Each are better in their own circumstances.

So in conclusion, I don't see myself playing a Blaziken or Mewtwo EX deck so I do see myself playing TV Reporter in every one of my decks. Maybe people don't agree, but that isn't my fault.

[Ace28]

First off Prime, I never said that Juggler was better than Prof Oaks Research, Birch, Copycat, or any other obvious better drawing card. I did however say IMO it is better than TV Reporter for the simple fact that you have the option of drawing five. I also should have mentioned for your viewing pleasure that I don't play Juggler unless Im using a deck that gets the energy right back (Amphy,Blaziken,Typhlosion,ect.). I don't play either unless Im using a deck like that for the simple reason that there is better options. BTW Energy Switch just takes up space and is almost never useful so before you contradict me again I suggest you consider that I was saying what card I thought IMO was better overall. And as for TV Reporter being used at anytime, once again I wouldn't play it or Juggler unless I was using a deck that works well with discarding. Have a nice day.

[Prime]

You know I am having a great day =D

Um, Ace28? I never said you said that. I double spaced to show that I was talking about something different.

If we are to compare TV Reporter to Juggler we must take away the enviroments that each strive. Because it would be hard to compare one to another in the other's enviroment where it naturally is better. So if we take away the whole, "I would only play this in a deck like blaziken" and just analyze what the two cards do, we shall see which card is better. Even though both strive in the same enviroment a.k.a. energy recycling decks.

Juggler
Pros: Draw 3 or Draw 5
Cons: Either discard 1 or 2 basic energy cards; supporter

TV Reporter
Pros: Draw 3 cards
Cons: Must discard 1 card; supporter

So you see that Juggler has a bigger pay off but at a bigger price. IMO I would use TV Reporter. One reason is because I like to have the option to discard my energy or not because you can discard any card. And with TV Reporter, I don't have to discard first and draw second. And I also think that having a hand of 8 or higher is just asking to be Copycatted. Being that when you juggler you discard 2 from your average 6 hand and draw 5, making your hand 9.

I proberly still would not play Juggler even if I wasn't playing a deck like Blaziken. I have tested out TV Reporter and for the loss of 2 cards, discarding any card anytime puts it above Juggler in my book.

And for being so nice to me, you TOO have a nice day =D

[Ace28]

Listen Prime, Even after you take away the enviroments and narrow down the odds and everything else, it all comes down to the fact that your trying to get what you need(or else you wouldn't even be playing that card). I know that TV has the advantage of discarding any card but when you need something bad you are willing to waste what you have to get it. The flaw for Juggler I do want you to realize I know is that you need basic energy to use it. I like this card because it involves strategy. However I do realize that it is very, very situational. Also, I am not one to make enemies over something stupid like comparing opinons, but I have been playing pokemon since the game came out (as most of the people have here Im guessing) and I am just basing my opinion on experience. I would also like you to know that I do not disagree that TV Reporter by having the ability to discard any card is in itself a bad card but the reason I like Juggler over it is that it involves Strategy and is Situational. It isn't really fair to compare these to cards because it involves the situation your in and the deck your using. Once again I am not trying to make enemies but you didn't have to call my idea stupid.

[Rainbowgym]

It depends on what kind of pokemon you play.
Juggler is a good card to play with Mewtwo Ex, in the right combination you have Mewtwo EX second turn fully loaded and working against those terrible Gardevoir EX.

[Prime]

Ace20: I do not see where I called your idea stupid. If you could point that out to me then I would apologize. You like juggler because you can get 2 extra cards. That is understandable. But I personally wouldn't ever discard 2 basic energy cards to get 5 new cards. You can easily do that for free with Oak's Research. Unless I had a sure fire way to get back the energy, no flip even, I proberly won't play Juggler. Not saying it is worse because at a higher cost of two basic energy, you can draw 5 cards which is great in the right decks.

Make enemies? I don't get where you are coming from. I never wanted to make enemies either. We are just having a conversation about which card is better.

I hope you have a good xmas.

~Prime

[Flippin treeko]

On reflection, it works quite well with delcatty, giving the option of energy burning or trainer/poke burning 'specially mid-late when your already set up.

[Ace28]

("Why discard a energy? That would be so stupid.") Anyway, you're forgetting that Oaks Research isn't involved in this topic. Also I do understand where your coming from but I don't know if you get what im saying. Im saying that there might be sometime when you need something.

[Ace28]

OMG...I am sorry. I do now see that TV Reporter is better. At first I didn't read the text right. I didn't see that you may discard a card after you draw 3 cards. Secondly I realized that nowadays people don't have 2 energy cards usually in their hand to discard. Once again I am sorry and now see after comparing the 2 more conclusively which one is the better choice in this format. (Eon Modified)

[DuMbOcLoWn656]

[use TVreporter and discard recycle energy


mewt2exPOWERD UP ON SECOND TURN JUGGLER DISCARD 2 ENERGY AND ENERGY ABSORBTION GET THEM BAK :D

[Strike]

Okay, this discussion of Tv Reporter and Juggler has prompted me to get into the fray here.

-Thoughts on TV Reporter- Okay, you draw 3 for a discard for one. Simple, straight to the point, nothing more to say. Here's the real problem- TV reporter works well only if you have designed your deck with more card drawing along with TV Reporter, thus leaving less room for other ideas one might have for a deck. Now for those who can distictly remember, TV reporter lreminds me of an incredibly toned down Misty's Wrath, both with their similarities and far reaching differences. With Misty's wrath, you could dig through your deck quite easily to find what you need and keep the deck running smoothly, while in this case TV reporter is slower, shuts down further progression of card drawing for the turn for the most part, and gives you only a few added options to work with. Now if this card wasn't a supporter by any means then I'd be telling a completely different story, but right now that is irrelevant anyways =P. If you can find some pretty other ways to add in more card drawing (More dramatic supporters and Delcatty, both on a large scale) then I can see TV Reporter working, but only to a minor degree. Also note TV Reporter is not as combo potential these days as other Supporters (Juggler anyone?).

-Juggler- Ahh....proven combo potential, ahh I love this card. Now, as stated with TV Reporter, the effectiveness of Juggler will only measure on how the deck is designed. If the deck has less than 16 energies as some of you have stated, then it would be a huge mistake anyways to bring in Juggler let alone even having 16 energies in the first place(The only exception being of Course, Blaziken/Eggs, which abuses Juggler like no other) due to the fact that it is very difficult to keep a deck running more smoothly with the increased restrictions on card drawing. At a very simple cost of 1-2 energy, it would be more than worth it to draw 3-5 cards. Now for those who would disagree with me here about the cost being so simple, don't forget the days when players would dump 7+ card hands with Oak only to try and get 1 card, while trashing special energy cards and other valued trainers. It would be much more worthwhile to draw up to 5 instead of 3 with Tv Reporter if I could only play either one of those two supporters in any given turn. Oh, and for the energies, town volunteers anyone? Fisherman? Magneton?

In comparison of both, as I stated before, it all depends on the design of the deck to measure its full effectiveness, but both TV reporter and Juggler shine in their own different areas and specific deck builds, but in a case of where the dependent deck ideas and strategies had no value in this comparison, then whole heartedly I'd go for the juggler. Just my humble opinion.

Oh, and by the way, Recycle energy can only be brought into your hand after it has entered play, not if it just gets discarded from your hand. Discard from your hand does not count as entering into play.