Wikipedia Pokemon TCG

[Moss Factor]

I added a bunch of stuff to the Wikipedia section for the Pokemon TCG. Specifically I added a section on the Topical Mega Battle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Trading_Card_Game#Tropical_Mega_Battl e) and the Super Trainer Showdowns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Trading_Card_Game#Super_Trainer_Showd own). The information I have is tragically limited, including no exact numbers for the events, a lack of standings for day 1 of the second WCSTS, the second TMB, and really any information on the first WCSTS. If someone could fill in what they have for these, as well as anything they have for the SCs, Mall Tours, Professor Championships, Team Championships, Worlds '02, the FAT, or anything else from the WotC days so we can have it archived for our KIDS to enjoy, that would be great.

I did my part for Pokemon history (making it that is, SNAP!), now you guys help fill in the pieces on Wikipedia!

I just hope they don't delete my stuff :(

[Flaming_Spinach]

Nicely written.

Are you aware you missed the standings for the 4th STS, Saturday tournament?


Sorry I can't add anything else.

[Moss Factor]

I didn't "miss" it, I just don't know it :(

[Burninating_Torchic]

Hmm, yknow, we should go find the World Championship top 32 cuts for the past two years and add those on there...Nationals, too.

Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:

Well, I added the sets list, and noticed that The Tropical Mega Battle section was deleted...=/
Just another reason why you can't trust Wikipedia.

[metagross]

Just for what reason did they delete it? Thats ridiculous.

[Burninating_Torchic]

Just for what reason did they delete it? Thats ridiculous.

Keep in mind that "they" refers to everyone in the world...for all we know, Pokemom could have deleted it, =P =P =P.

[sdp]

In 2001, Matthew Moss, together with the help of future terrorist Seena Ghaziaskar, won the West Coast Super Trainer Showdown. It was during this time that Matthew gained a massive amount of weight, and Seena developed a unibrow.
anyways it was this IP address that deleted the information, 12.227.133.176 and apparently "they" don't know how to use wiki since they deleted the PCL section too ;(
here are the original 'articles'.

On August 26 - 27, 2000, fourty-two Pokémon trainers from around the world united at the Hilton Hawaiian Village in Honolulu for the Tropical Mega Battle, an international communication event for the PokémonTM* trading card game. Jason Klaczynski, 14-year-old Orland Park, Ill., resident, was honored as the Master Trainer of the Tropical Mega Battle after winning the final round of the World Communication Match against fellow Pokémon trainer Toshiya Tanabe of Sapporo, Japan.

- In an effort to transcend language and communication barriers through entertaining game-play, the Tropical Mega Battle brought together children, aged 14 and under, from the United States, Japan, France, Italy, Canada, Spain, Germany, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom, for two action-packed days in scenic Honolulu, Hawaii. Children participating in the Tropical Mega Battle received invitations through Qualifier tournaments, DCI rankings, and other events in their respective countries. Creatures Inc., Media Factory and Wizards of the Coast Inc. sponsored the Tropical Mega Battle. + I like chocolate milk.
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- Events throughout the weekend included competitions facilitated by translators for groups of children representing two different languages in each group; a group photo and an opening ceremony featuring remarks from Hawaiian government officials; and a harbor cruise awards ceremony for the winners of the World Communication Match.




The Super Trainer Showdowns were large Pokemon TCG tournaments held by Wizards of the Coast. These tournaments were frequently bi-yearly and were open to the public. Each tournament consisted of three age groups; 10 and under, 11 to 14 years old, and 15 years old and over. Each Super Trainer Showdown was preceded by a series of Qualifier Tournaments held in cities around the United States and abroad in which players in the 11-to-14 and 10-and-under age groups could win trips for themselves and a parent or guardian to the Super Trainer Showdown event. + I like pie.
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- The first Super Trainer Showdown was held in California inside of the cruise liner, the Queen Elizabeth II. The winners were Joseph Viray, Jack Savage, and Andrew Marshall. The format was unlimited, meaning that all Pokemon cards released in the United States were legal for deck construction.
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- The second Super Trainer Showdown was held at the Meadowlands Exposition Center in Secaucus, NJ on November 18, 2000. There were over 700 players in all three age divisions competing for the title. The tournament was eight rounds of swiss style pairings followed by a cut to a top-eight single-elimination playoff. All games were best-of-one. The format was titled “15/3” in that you were allowed to construct 60-card decks using only fifteen “Trainer” cards and only three of any one card, save basic Energy Cards. This forced players to run more Pokemon and Energy Cards than usual and forced variety in the cards used, due to the 3-max stipulation. In the 10-and-under age group, Jonathan Brooks was the winner, followed by Jerome Schosse, David Santos, Christopher Bailey, Elliot Freidmann, Glen Sylvester, Malcolm Scotland and Gabriel Mends (in that order). For the 11-to-14 age group, Rudy Rodriguez was the champion, followed by James O’Brien, Carson White, Jason Imperiale, Kevin Chen, Yi-An Lu, Andrew Daly, and Alex Elkins. In the 15-and-older age group, the champion was Tom Hanley, followed by Heidi Craig, Israel Quiroz, Peter Keller, Jason Klaczynski, Michael Delgaudio, Joshua Morris, and Matt Brooks.
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- The third Super Trainer Showdown was held again in the Meadowlands Exposition Center in Secaucus, New Jersey. It was held on June 23rd and 24th, 2001 and more than 1,600 players attended the event. The Super Trainer Showdown featured a League Zone area, which provided open game play supervised by Master Trainers; Erika's Challenge, a one-on-one challenge with a Master Trainer; a trading area; photos with popular, giant-sized Pokémon TCG cards; Pokémon trivia contests; and a create-your-own-card area. The tournament was eight rounds of Swiss-style pairings for the 10-and-under age and 15-and-older age groups and nine rounds for the 11-to-14 age group. The format for this event was titled “Modified” and allowed players to construct 60-card decks using a maximum of four of any card other than basic energy from the sets Team Rocket, Gym Heroes, Gym Challenge, and Neo Genesis. The card “Sneasel” from the Neo Genesis set was banned from play in the Modified format, making it the first Pokemon Trading Card Game card to be banned from tournament play. This tournament was different from the first two Super Trainer Showdowns in that it consisted of two one-day tournaments; one held on Saturday and run to completion and one held on Sunday and run to completion with a champion crowned in each age division each day. The results were as follows:
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- Saturday
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- 10-and-under:
- Champion Paul Lamancusa, 2nd Mindy Lambkee, 3rd Kevin Yauy, 4th Ryan Lucero, 5th Kevin Hossain, 6th Jonathan Brooks, 7th Jacob Vilches, 8th Nathaniel Allen
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- 11-to-14:
- Champion Josh Goldstein, 2nd Phil Mondiello, 3rd Chris Peditto, 4th Jared Passanante, 5th Daniel Deardoff, 6th Matt Toeniskoetter, 7th Chris Vilches, 8th Jimmy O'Brien
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- 15-and-older
- Champion Jeremy Borchardt, 2nd Chris Fulop, 3rd Ben Zoz, 4th Jason Klaczynski, 5th Andrés Rodriquez, 6th Alvin Leu, 7th Bruce Long, 8th Thian Y. Hoang
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- Sunday
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- 10-and-under:
- Champion Jonathan Brooks, 2nd Mindy Lambkee, 3rd John Nhuyen, 4th Stephanie Borchardt, 5th Ryan Lucero, 6th Nathan Kessel, 7th Joshua Cartagena, 8th Joseph Barone
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- 11-to-14:
- Champion Tom Liesegang, 2nd Aaron Gerardo, 3rd Phil Mondiello, 4th Robert Frac, 5th Devin Peltier-Robson, 6th Alex Brosseau, 7th Dylan Austin, 8th Brian Six
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- 15-and-older:
- Champion Tom Hanley, 2nd Jason Klaczynski, 3rd Rudy Rodriquez, 4th Matt Tyler, 5th Frank Moore, 6th David Nishijimu, 7th Chris Fulop, 8th Bruce Long
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- The fourth and final Super Trainer Showdown was held at the San Diego Convention Center in San Diego, California on December 1st and 2nd, 2001. The event was open to the public; however unlike the previous Super Trainer Showdowns, a participant was required to pre-register for the event meaning that walk-ins were not allowed in the main tournament. The format was again Modified, however the newest set Neo Discovery was also legal for the tournament. Again, the card “Sneasel” from Neo Genesis was banned from play. New to this Super Trainer Showdown was the splitting of the 11-to-14-year-old age group into the 11-to-12 and 13-to-14-year-old age groups. This was done largely due to the massive numbers in the 11-to-14 age group in the previous Super Trainer Showdown. Players from around the world met to compete and the results for the Sunday tournament were as follows:
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- 10-and-under
- Champion David Bui, 2nd Jonathan Brooks, 3rd Joseph Barone, 4th Luke Waruszewski, 5th Martin Charest, 6th Nicholas Chimento, 7th Stuart Benson, 8th Wesley Bartlett
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- 11-to-12
- Champion Seena Ghaziaskar, 2nd Bryson Bonham, 3rd Adam Falconi, 4th Gustavo Alex Patricio, 5th Rual Stern, 6th Devon Mancini, 7th Tommy Derian, 8th Chris Cartagena
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- 13-to-14
- Champion Robert Frac, 2nd Dylan Austin, 3rd Johnathan Reckenwald, 4th Robert Francis, 5th Chris Wilms, 6th Levi Canfield, 7th Vincent Shek, 8th Steven Bearzi
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- 15-and-older
- Champion Matthew Moss, 2nd Robert Fischer, 3rd Josue Rojano, 4th LeAntjuan Hunter, 5th Vincent Barone, 6th Andres Rodriguez, 7th Ngoc Cang Dinh, 8th Doug Bui

[The Gorn]

It came from mediacom.com, so if you know anybody who uses them as their ISP, that might be them.

[Moss Factor]

Technically the TMB one wasn't written by me. I basically c/p'd a press release from an internet archived WotC page and added a few details in.

[Metagross_Ex]

It has been determined that beginning in 2007, all World Championships will take place in nations overseas, and due to the cost of PUI sending American players abroad, the number of USA invitations and free round trip accomodations will be cut drastically.

Really?

[Flaming_Spinach]

It has been determined that beginning in 2007, all World Championships will take place in nations overseas, and due to the cost of PUI sending American players abroad, the number of USA invitations and free round trip accomodations will be cut drastically.

Really?

That sounds like pure speculation to me.

[Moss Factor]

I deleted that, it is speculation (although true!).

[Burninating_Torchic]

It has been determined that beginning in 2007, all World Championships will take place in nations overseas, and due to the cost of PUI sending American players abroad, the number of USA invitations and free round trip accomodations will be cut drastically.

$50 says that's not true.

[Poliwag92]

$50 says that's not true.

More like 50 invites says thats not true.

[SD PokeMom]

...unless "Worlds" was to go 'back' to a Tropical Mega Battle-type format...o.O

And sorry to disappoint you B_T, but I've never done anything on Wikipedia to any entry, on any subject... =/

'mom

[Burninating_Torchic]

...unless "Worlds" was to go 'back' to a Tropical Mega Battle-type format...o.O

And sorry to disappoint you B_T, but I've never done anything on Wikipedia to any entry, on any subject... =/

'mom

Hey, I was just using you as an example. After all, you are one of the most active moderators, so I figured if he had posted something "innapropriate" there, and you read this, you'd probably delete it.

[metagross]

It has been determined that beginning in 2007, all World Championships will take place in nations overseas, and due to the cost of PUI sending American players abroad, the number of USA invitations and free round trip accomodations will be cut drastically.


This sure sound as great news. If only that was true...

[PokeWisconsin]

Moss once again...DOES IT!

[GUERO51]

I added a bunch of stuff to the Wikipedia section for the Pokemon TCG. Specifically I added a section on the Topical Mega Battle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Trading_Card_Game#Tropical_Mega_Battl e) and the Super Trainer Showdowns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Trading_Card_Game#Super_Trainer_Showd own). The information I have is tragically limited, including no exact numbers for the events, a lack of standings for day 1 of the second WCSTS, the second TMB, and really any information on the first WCSTS. If someone could fill in what they have for these, as well as anything they have for the SCs, Mall Tours, Professor Championships, Team Championships, Worlds '02, the FAT, or anything else from the WotC days so we can have it archived for our KIDS to enjoy, that would be great.

I did my part for Pokemon history (making it that is, SNAP!), now you guys help fill in the pieces on Wikipedia!

I just hope they don't delete my stuff :(
My son won the 10 & under in the 4th STS in San Diego on saturday and could not compete in the sunday tournament since he already won. He was only 7 years old and beat Jonathon Brooks. I have pictures of him on stage to prove it.
On a side note, is Seena the kid wearing the transformers or DBZ shirt?

[PokeWisconsin]

Yeah little Seena :D

[Moss Factor]

Yeah I know a few people. T4 Saturday WCSTS 11-12 Seena Ghaziaskar, T8 Saturday 15+ Matt Moss, T4 Dallas Dalton, 1st Saturday 13-14 Eric Brooks. I just know bits and pieces though :(

[Ash_Van_Je]

I wonder who wrote the part of "PTCG in Hong Kong"?

[Moss Factor]

I added a link to the gym down at the bottom. There was one to TC's page, but I thought a link specifically here was needed.

[TacC]

Worlds outside the US:

Good idea. If you intend to help stabilize your product globaly.

Bad idea. If you intend to continue growth where it has been strongest.

The US and Japan obviously have the largest player bases. If Worlds is held outside of those 2 countries I think we will see A LOT of upset people. Keep in mind that Worlds is like a bonus for most international players, where as it will be taken away from the US players.

I can sorta see how this would boost attendance but I'm really skeptical as to how it would help the game overall. Once Pokemon goes World-wide, you're in a lottery with a dozen other countries and I wouldn't feel comfortable not knowing, at least within reason, where Worlds will be next year. Its bad enough we have a game with so much luck involved in it, now you gotta get lucky and have Worlds in your homeland, too.

I like the variety and all, I just worry that people would be less inclined to play if they know they have to win Nationals or a Gym in order to get to Worlds. A lot of people go to Worlds just for the experience and I don't see many people flying to Australia to trade cards (no offense).

The other thread mentioned that players in SoCal can just get into Worlds through the LCQ. That is the most ignorant statement currently posted on the Gym. 256 players, you need to go 7-0. Ehh, I'll just show up and breeze right through it. C'mon, be serious. And that's assuming that you even GET IN to the LCQ, which I am predicting will be filled up this year in the 15+ Division.

I dunno, we'll have to see how the cookie crumbles on this one but I am hesitent at this point. It won't drastically affect my Worlds attendance one way or the other, I can assure you of that. I just got an offer of $300 for 3 nights in a hotel plus airfare to London. Working for an airline = :thumb:

[Kempley05]

I like the variety and all, I just worry that people would be less inclined to play if they know they have to win Nationals or a Gym in order to get to Worlds. A lot of people go to Worlds just for the experience and I don't see many people flying to Australia to trade cards (no offense).


But thats the situation for everyone outside the US, I won't go to worlds unless I finish in the T2 of my nationals, we don't even get Gym challenges. I believe the Nationals should usually be held in Japan/US, but occasionaly they should be held elsewhere, not every other year or anything like as often as that, but enough to be in proportion with the number of players in that country/continent. We could select venues in an IOC style lol!

[TacC]

That's my point though. Attendance in other countries is low because there's not many events on the schedule. By taking Worlds outside the US, you are taking 1 HUGE event off of the schedule and thereby discouraging US players. I'm not saying this is flat out bad. I'm simply saying I'm going to wait and see but I will say up front that I am skeptical.

[metagross]

Just think about the boost in attendance that is sure to come in the country hosting Worlds next year (if its not Japan or North America). It would be something to base PR on in that country.

[Kempley05]

That's my point though. Attendance in other countries is low because there's not many events on the schedule. By taking Worlds outside the US, you are taking 1 HUGE event off of the schedule and thereby discouraging US players. I'm not saying this is flat out bad. I'm simply saying I'm going to wait and see but I will say up front that I am skeptical.

But whats the difference, in the US you discourage the rest of the world, in Europe you discourage the rest of the world, at least a rotational thing would give all players a chance of playing at Worlds.

[Moss Factor]

I love it how you guys assume that if Worlds is held abroad that it is going to automatically be more feasible for you to get there. For anyone in East Asia/Australia, there is really no difference between Worlds being in the US as it is in the EU. Visa versa for EU players if it's held out east. And even if it is held in Europe, if you guys have the same number of invites it won't really help much but for 8 people. I dunno how many gamboling addicts are willing to travel that far just for 8 seats.

What will make me upset is if Nintendo takes away a bunch more US invites and gives them to the host country of Worlds due to decreased travel expenses of shipping someone within their own country rather than across oceans. If Nintendo maintains or increases the current number of US invites I will be very content. A decision that reduces the number of US (Nintendo's strongest market by far) invites just screams "bad idea" to me.

[metagross]

I wonder how many Intl players didnt make it to Worlds last year because they only had Invites. Its a big number, I am sure. If the Worlds are held in Europe (preferebly not an island like GB) people will have much better shot at getting there.

Edit: Moss, would you be comfortable with US players just getting Invites at Gyms? Without trips? That way the number of Invites wouldnt decrease.

[Moss Factor]

I wouldn't mind, but that simply isn't going to happen and everyone knows it.

[moza]

I think that would be fair, If they also give out invites at regionals, but not trips. You should only get trips from Nationals. That seems fair to me.

[Kempley05]

I love it how you guys assume that if Worlds is held abroad that it is going to automatically be more feasible for you to get there. For anyone in East Asia/Australia, there is really no difference between Worlds being in the US as it is in the EU. Visa versa for EU players if it's held out east. And even if it is held in Europe, if you guys have the same number of invites it won't really help much but for 8 people. I dunno how many gamboling addicts are willing to travel that far just for 8 seats.

What will make me upset is if Nintendo takes away a bunch more US invites and gives them to the host country of Worlds due to decreased travel expenses of shipping someone within their own country rather than across oceans. If Nintendo maintains or increases the current number of US invites I will be very content. A decision that reduces the number of US (Nintendo's strongest market by far) invites just screams "bad idea" to me.

But in reality through the grinder more European players would turn up, just like the US held events, And I think that worlds should be held in Asia 2, a rotational thing is the way to go, proportional to the number of players.

[metagross]

Europe - Asia - America - Europe - Asia - America

thats the way to go. Of course 2012 has to be London.

[sdp]

this has been discussed many times but the problem is it is not really "worlds", it is viewed as an American event, like prime said (i think) "Nationals with a small spice of other countries", and its true, it is basically how few people from other countries can do against all the americans.

Yes, removing invites from the US and giving it to other countries and it being held in other places would make it feel like "worlds", instead of just "the Nationals that matters" in the US...

[Kempley05]

I wonder how many Intl players didnt make it to Worlds last year because they only had Invites. Its a big number, I am sure. If the Worlds are held in Europe (preferebly not an island like GB) people will have much better shot at getting there.


Very True, and I do agree that if it was in Europe it shouldn't be in the UK,

[Kevin89]

If worlds would have an equal amount of players from every continent, USA's prize support would look like this:

States;
Winner gets a trip + invite
T4 invite
[only for residents]

Regionals?;
boosters for T8 or so? w/e think of something nice. but no invites or trips.

Nationals;
Winner gets a trip + invite
T4 invite

That would be sheer awesomeness.

@ Moss, it's still remarkable how the sales in Europe (or at least NL) go with the low (/no) support we get compared to you guys.

[Moss Factor]

Yeah but Prime forgets that Worlds isn't about representing every country equally. Its not the point to have a competition with equal numbers of players from each country. The point is simply about having the best players in the World compete to crown a World Champion. When half the World's registered POP IDs are from the US and the vast majority of the better players on Earth coming from the US, if you truly want the World Champion to be representative of the best player in the world, then you'll inherantly need a skew towards US players considering we have the most and best players in the World here.

Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:

Also special thanks to Pokemom, probably the worst mod on the gym when it comes to unnecessarily locking topics while leaving ones like "Get well soon Orion" that have absolutely nothing to do with Pokemon Gossip or News here instead of Random Topics where it obviously belongs, for locking the Worlds '07 topic and turning this topic about the Wikipedia Pokemon TCG article into an off-topic mess.

Locking that topic was a joke. You are a bad mod and this post is basically ruined. Unlock PokeWisconson's topic and move all the Worlds 07-based posts to it so this post can stay on topic. Be a good mod for once.

[PokeWisconsin]

My thread was about Worlds, this topic is about Wikipedia. Please open my thread.

[PokePop]

Get a grip on your egos.
All of those actions were proper for multiple reasons.

[Burninating_Torchic]

Get a grip on your egos.
All of those actions were proper for multiple reasons.

Leggo' my ego!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[The Gorn]

Hang On to Your Ego.

(I'll be impressed by who can get that reference without looking it up)

[moza]

^^ pwnd.

Moss, think you might add more, like the World Championships?

[Rulemaster]

All of those actions were proper for multiple reasons.

what reasons?

[Moss Factor]

No, it makes no sense Pop. If there were reason for locking that post, then you should lock this post as well since we're discussing exactly the same things. However, we have a clitch in that logic: this isn't supposed to be a post about Worlds 07, its supposed to be about the Wikipedia Pokemon TCG article, so I suppose you SHOULN'T lock it because it isn't about the same topic. The only reason people are talking about Worlds 07 here is because the post where people are supposed to be talking about Worlds 07 got locked for no good reason with the direction by Pokemom to discuss it here where it is CLEARLY an off-topic issue that has totally ruined this post. Obviously, we have ourselves a quandary due entirely to poor moderation. Either leave both topics unlocked or lock them both. And if we're going to leave this topic open, delete every post about Worlds 07; they are all completely off-topic. If it is ok to talk about Worlds 07 here, then why not do it in PokeWisconson's post where it isn't a post-ruining off-topic tangent? There is no reason for this action and that is why this move was completely illogical.


This is an open-and-shut pure case of bad moderation. Admit it, then open up PokeWisconson's topic.

[PokeWisconsin]

The sooner you stand up to her the sooner this board will get better

[GymLeaderPhil]

I don't see how information taken off of the Wikipedia article about Worlds 2007 does not relate to the topic at hand. The info was on the Wiki page. This topic is about the Wiki page. Creating an entirely new topic about purely speculative information with only one source is silly. If you continue berate other members or staff on this board - this includes anyone else - I'd suggest finding a new place and hobby to do so.

And back on topic or this topic will be locked.

[Moss Factor]

It isn't berating anyone when it is true.

This thread has become totally off-topic. Read the latest posts. Do they have ANYTHING to do with Wikipedia? Do they have ANYTHING to do with adding new facts and figures of the Pokemon TCG? Do they have ANYTHING to do with documenting the history of the Pokemon TCG? The answer is a resounding "No."

Essentially by your logic, if you post ANYTHING on the Wikipedia article about the Pokemon TCG that gets deleted, the topic then has fair game to talk about that. If I post something on that article about the Pistons going all the way this year, we can then talk about it here? No. This thread now has nothing to do with Wikipedia or the Pokemon TCG article. It now has everything to do with what you just said was "silly." This thread has now been dragged to a new topic other than what it was meant to be; it is now off-topic. This is because Pokemom directed people to talk about Worlds 07 here, she directed people to make this post more off-topic and also eliminated the thread where people COULD talk about it in an on-topic manner.

I'm not berating or attacking anyone. To say that this topic now has anything to do with the Wikipedia article is ludicrous. To say that talking about Worlds 07 or whatever is "silly" or "speculative" may be correct, however it is unfortunantly exactly what this thread has become. If you're going to lock PokeWisconson's thread, then lock this one too; quite the shame considering that this thread was only lead off-topic to something that should be locked due to the actions of a moderator.

These threats of a ban are even worse. I'm obviously trying to make this board better by pointing out where moderation has gone wrong while you guys simply refuse to admit it due to either pride or something else; who knows. I should be able to speak up in defense of my thread when it has been ruined; especially when it was ruined by the actions of a staff member. I'm not libeling or being personal about it, this is simply an open-and-shut case of a topic being ruined by poor moderation.

I should be a mod!

[GymLeaderPhil]

Good luck with that.

[PokePop]

And on the whole subject of whether the rumor is true, from the horses mouth:

Funniest thread I've read all week. You can always count on the rumor mill for a good laugh... :D

Sorry, but locking a topic about a baseless rumor is good modding in my book.