KidsWB announces Fall schedule

[Orange Soda]

Here's the whole thing. (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1161882)

But here's the interesting part:

Kids WB will unveil new episodes of various returning series, including: MegaMan NT Warrior (26 episodes); Yu-Gi-Oh! (25 episodes); Pokémon (52 episodes); Jackie Chan Adventures (13 episodes); ¡Mucha Lucha! (13 episodes); What's New Scooby-Doo? (13 episodes); and Xiaolin Showdown (26 episodes). Teen Titans will also be on the fall schedule.

KidsWB ordered more than twice as many Pokemon episodes than Yu-Gi-Oh. Heck, MegaMan NT Warrior and the ultra-crappy Xiaolin Showdown had more episodes ordered (unless that 25 is just a typo, and 26 was intended, in which case they'd have the same amount, and be exactly half as many as Pokemon). Is there just not much Yu-Gi-Oh left to be had, or is Yu-Gi-Oh loosing steam? Or both? Cause it seems like in the past they would've ordered a full 52 episodes, I think.

[ultimate_healer]

Lets me hope it is both. 52 is a bog number when you think of it in that way.

[The Anaconda]

I think it may be because they like to run Pokemon year round, but with Yu-Gi-Oh and the other shows they want a season break.

[Orange Soda]

Then again, it just occured to me that maybe they meant for the 25 to be a 52.

[Water Pokemon Master]

The reason for that is because Pokemon has been the number one show on Kids' WB in various categories for the last 3 months. It is more popular than YGO according to the ratings, and that is most likely why they are airing way more episodes.

[Cooltrainer Aaron]

also, I don't think we're that far behind on YGO as we are on Pokemon Advanced. I'm sure that they've already translated and recorded the voices for Pokemon, but YGO isn't.

[The Anaconda]

Actually we're about two seasons behing Japan as far as Yu-Gi-Oh goes.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

Oh no! Not Megaman! That show...i gave it a chance, watched every ep of the season...gave it a thumbs down. It just wasnt worth waking up for. I would much rather Astro Boy in its spot...

I think its great they Costco ordered Poképisodes. The show has witnessed a sudden spike in quality. Last week's episode was great! The week before was great too. I loved the arons' collective arg's. I have hi expectations for the coming eps.

Oh, yeah, and Xiaolin Showdown is great! I could see a video game, easy!

One more thing! Do you know if the Jacki Chan eps will be new? I am under the impression that they are based on what you said. I thought the show ended for good. I guess you could see Jacki Chan Adventures as the Michael Jordan of cartoons, in that you can never tell when he's out for keeps.

[Orange Soda]

If it says they ordered episodes, then they mean new episodes. Thus, the Jackie Chan episodes will be new.

[bullados]

no Static? No good. That's the best non-Japanese anime that they've got, and they're dumping it AGAIN...

[Elite Trainer Raven]

As long as there isn't any new Ozzy and Drix, I'm content. Then again..Much Lucha still continues. What is up with everyone getting into the wrestling shows all of a sudden? Ultimate Muscle does a fine job and should remain as the only one. :\

As far as Yu-Gi-Oh! goes, the dub is annoying as is. No one's really tuning in because the little mini-series involving Seto's step brother is really just..stupid and seems like the equivalent to the Garlic Jr Saga from DBZ to YGO, sidetracking from Yugi's duel with Mallik.

[yoshi1001]

no Static? No good. That's the best non-Japanese anime that they've got, and they're dumping it AGAIN...

Static Shock is mostly a sprintime thing.

[GOROY]

I'm just happy they still have pokemon and Jackie chan adventures, those are my faves! :)

[Bigpoppabeatdown]

hey, i just gotta know, what happened to batman beyond???

that was an awesome show and they trashed it....... AAARRRGGG

[bullados]

I'm ticked off at many of the DC Comics snubs that they have on there, including, but not limited to...

Static Shock
Justice League
Batman Beyond
The New Batman/Superman Adventures (for those of you who don't remember, it's basically the precursor to Justice League, and much better)

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

you know, i was going to make a thread dedicated to what you would/n't want to see on the saturday morning line up. But I guess it works here..

I can only think of these shows as slot worthy: Pokémon, Astro Boy, Static Shock, YGO, Batman Beyond, Batman: The Animated Series, and i guess that's it for now...

Definately not worth a slot: The Zeta Project, Superman, [That one with the ghost buster-type kids in stop motion animation], Generation O, The Powerpuff Girls, Teen Titans, and any incarnation of Scooby Doo!!!

[Water Pokemon Master]

I say ditch Static Shock and go along with the Zeta Project. :)

[GOROY]

Don't forget Jackie chan adventures, you've gotta love jackie chan adventures...

[bullados]

TV Worthy: Pokemon (kiddie bait), YGO (more of the same), Justice League (I like this thing a ton), Jackie Chan (always good), Static (One of the better DC Comics shows)

NOT TV Worthy: Mucha Lucha, Xolian Showdown, Astro Boy (I don't like the thing)

[Bigpoppabeatdown]

yeah showdown, astro boy, mucha lucha, static, jackie chan, all of them are NOW horrible, the original chan adventures made a little sense, and now they are just looking for magic things to collect!!!

but pokemon, YGO (after this stupid NOAH thing), batman beyond...... ok those are the only three that are actually worth it....

they should be forced to show an entire dual in YGO, not two moves and 18 minutes of random talking....... arrrggg that's why i don't like that show

[bullados]

how can you call Static terrible?

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

true. But i think Astro Boy has yet to screw up so much as to be unworthy of a morning slot.

And i cant believe i forgot Jackie Chan! It's a good show. A good one.

Static's waaaay better than Zeta. The animation, the plots, everything! If anything, it is not terrible. I can live with someone calling it bad or lame, but terrible? That's a little much.

And they definately would make more fans of YGO if they cut the chatter. Remember that one ep when they had one hour to duel one duel and they ended up going overtime? Man...

And Mucha Lucha...i can see how some would like it and why its a valid show. That's why i didnt put it on my unfit for TV list. It is just there. Nothing remarkable about it except its catchy theme song.

On another note, i saw the The Batman teaser trailer/ad this morning! Anyone else? It looked like sleek animation. So far, high hopes for that show. Hope it is as good as the old series, otherwise they shouldnt have gotten it past test screens in the first place.

[ILikeAnime]

Megaman was kinda...boring compared to the game they had for the GBA. (That was a fun addictive game, but off topic) I think they should keep: Jackie Chan Adventures, Pokemon, YGO, Astro Boy (I only saw one episode, but it was interesting.), Zeta, Static Shock, and Megaman. (I said it was boring...but only 'cause I didn't really pay attention and watch it. It might get better. They also changed the names from the game, and I kinda didn't like the anime 'cause of that.)

[Cooltrainer Aaron]

Some of the MegaMan episodes were interesting, but this season was mainly to introduce the characters and start the plot off. What I found annoying is that MegaMan didn't force a logout of half of his opponents, they did it of their own occord. The new season is supposed to reveal some new chips, new powers, and more program advances.

As for YGO, I think they extened the Noah thing way too long, but we needed a break from Marik, because that seemed to be really intense. Noah is like the comedy relief. I find it kind of funny that it ties in to the VirtuaPod MiniSeries of YGO. Once they finally get out of this virtual prison, it should pick up.

Astro Boy, I've only seen one episode. The animation is solid, but the dubbing can be a bit annoying. The episode I saw seemed to let on a dark mood for the entire series, a sadness and mysteriousness that averts you and glues you to the TV at the same time. I need to see it more before I can judge.

Jackie Chan: I love that show, my Mom loves it, my Dad likes it. Granted they are only searching for magical objects half the time, but that's filler in between the important missions. It does seem to be rather redundant sometimes with the Masks of the Shadowkan because the bad guy gets the mask, puts it on, Jackie runs interference until the spell is ready, and then he pulls the mask off. At least with the Talismans it could go back and forth between the 2 sides.

Pokemon: It's POKEMON, what more can I say.

Xaolin Showdown: The best of the worst. The animation is smooth but completely weird. The plot is dumb, the characters are dumb, and the attacks are dumb. Get this show off the air and use the tapes for a bonfire.

Mucha Lucha: Not a fan of wrestling here, so I'm biased. Its animation is terrible, the characters and signature moves are completely worthless. Add these tapes to the bonfire as well.

Zeta Project: I actually liked it. The animation is solid, and the plot is solid, its just that the adventure is a bit different each time. Zeta's voice is famous, he's of course Oswald in the Drew Carey Show, and Warp Darkmatter in Buzz Lightyear. I'd like to see it come back.

Static Shock: Better than I first expected. It's rather clean, and the problems it deals with are in everyday life, just with a bit of a twist. I like that Richie has become Gear, just goes to show you that a geek can make a difference too.

For the shows that don't seem to make it, they always seem to end up in one of two places. Late night on Cartoon Network, or in the Japanese Anime section of ABCFamily. I hear that Toon Disney is another place where they're gonna put the failed toons.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

i dunno...did they have to make Rich Gear? I do like that show, though. They handled race stuff nicely.

And as for Zeta, i dunno, i just didnt buy it. I tried, but it was too...unimaginative. It didnt really bring anything new to the table, you know?

And i dont know what you guys have against Showdown, but i like the show. It makes me think of Pokémon, kinda, but with items...kinda...yeah. I like the plot. Find stuff and beat your opponent to it. I could see a video game easily...but i'm sure they'd screw it up somehow. I like how a simple challenge warps the entire geography of the site. They have to step along stepping stones, but then the ground gives way and the steps tower above the earth, bringing clouds within reach of you. I think its a great idea.

And Mucha Lucha. I dont like wrestling either. I'll admit it was not on my must see list to start off, but then i gave it a try. And i still didnt like it, but man that theme song is great, isnt it? Isnt it? I love that theme song!

And to wrap this up, an interesting item: believe it or not, but some people see Jackie Chan Adventures as a giant racial slur against Chinese people. Yeah, someone i know told me his grandparants or someone or other took offense to it along with their fiends. There's always someone who'll get offended. Later!

[Water Pokemon Master]

I was just going to say "there is always someone" but then read the last sentence. :)

Yeah, so nothing is ever undisbutable. There is always someone. :)

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

well, that's not implying that there is never a need for criticism. I made a thread on the Jynx controvercy and i still stand on what i said. Basically: Sometimes people fish for reasons to get mad over stuff, but sometimes there are legitamit reasons for being upset. In this case of JCA, however, i see very little ammo for someone in the hidden-racial-slur camp.

Good thing i was able to call that one in the last line of my post. Any opinions on the "always someone" debate? I believe that there is the possibility that someone could get upset over something they see, not neccessarily in JCA, but in other stuff.

With that, i bid you uh-dooo!

EDIT!!!
My Jynx thread is here: http://www.pokegym.net./showthread.php?t=3484&page=1&pp=25, feel free to see the full extent of that debate. See post 10 for a familiar face!

[Marril]

As for YGO, I think they extened the Noah thing way too long, but we needed a break from Marik, because that seemed to be really intense. Noah is like the comedy relief. I find it kind of funny that it ties in to the VirtuaPod MiniSeries of YGO. Once they finally get out of this virtual prison, it should pick up.
Well, the Noah plotline was added just for the animé. It wasn't in the manga at all, Battle Ship went on uninterrupted to Yugi vs Kaiba and then Yugi vs Malik (that shouldn't be a spoiler because a blind person could see it coming). After the current plot arc is the Alcatraz Duel Tower, then the Doom arc, then Kaibacorp Grand Prix.

That is, of course, assuming that Kids WB continues to host YGO. YGO isn't a kids' show at heart, and it gets dark and violent later on. Their only choice would be to make the dub worse than it is, or to drop the series entirely. I don't want the latter to happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does. It's mostly a show aimed at teenagers, and 4Kids seems to have the "for kids" attitude.

Also, if they get to Doom, then Amelda is going to be interesting to see. Vewy vewy intwesting.

Edit: Also there's a character named Christ in the Doom arc. I think someone is going to get her name changed for the dub. >_> <_<

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

marril: "4Kids seems to have the 'for kids' attitude"

imagine that lol! jk.

I think YGO will move to Cartoon Network, if the doom and gloom gets up. They take the rogher cartoons cuz they are cable and WB and CN are in league with each other (they're owned by the same people right?) so i think it's like a safety net.

So, Prediction: If it gets rough for YGO, CN is ready to back up WB.

[Marril]

Insert a long, ten-minute string of profanities right here if YGO gets shoved onto Cartoon Network and off of WB. You can't get that channel in Canada, period.

Maybe YTV would show it, but then again, they're completely inconsistent with not only their show times, but their episodes. It's sickening to see them halfway into a series, then going back to episode 1 for no reason at all, with no episodes past that halfway until their once-a-week episode gets to that point again.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

i thought in Canada there was a channel called Teletoon or something that was like the Cartoon Network's Canadian counterpart...?

By the way, we're studying Canada in school right now. Interesting...quick question: is Quebec really trying to become a new country (my book looks kinda old)?

[Marril]

First, Teletoon has pretty much no animé at all. There's, like, Rockman.exe and I think that's it. It mainly shows old cartoons, showcases Canadian cartoons, and occasionally shows that horrid, awful dub known as Cardcaptors (which is a completely different show than Cardcaptor Sakura). It's a channel that's aimed at ten-year-olds for the most part. The chances of it getting Yu-Gi-Oh are slim to none. It does have an adult-aimed block late at night, but that consists of really, really bad shows (although Undergrads is almost funny sometimes). Oh, they were showing the HBO Spawn series a while back, which is easily one of the best American-made cartoons I've ever seen. They have, however, dropped it since then, never to be seen again, right in the middle of a plot arc, too. >:\

Second, Quebec hasn't really said much in that regard for a long time, like a decade or so, if even that recently. Not that we would mind it becoming its own country of course, but we like the French. They're fun, and poking fun at them is a national Canadian pastime, right behind hockey and lacrosse.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

LOL! wow! our school sucks! LOL!

Since, according to my textbook, you guys have a Prime Minister, do you guys also have a King? If so, how does that work out? Does the king really run the show? And how do you view the USA? Oh, and the question i ask to ever non-USA person: do you think George Dubya is dumb?

Oh, and what Canadian shows are "showcased?" I've heard Ren/Stimpy's Canadian...any other Canadian made shows that might have crossed borders?

[Marril]

No, we have no king. Just Paul Martin. Can't say how we as a society view the USA, though. It's a matter of opinion. Although, yes, I think Dubya is an idiot.

As for what Canadian shows are showcased... I have no idea. I generally don't care what country a cartoon comes from. Animation is, to me, either animé or not-animé.

[Water Pokemon Master]

What is this a chat room? :)

I never really liked YGO. It was just too boring for me since it takes like 10 episodes to finish one battle. Most of the time they are just saying things like "I am going to beat you!" and things like that.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

COUGH! Right! Back to the relevence!

I agree, YGO could be so great if they didnt recap stuff MID-recap! I'll never forget that Slifer series. Every commercial break they had to recap what Slifer does with the hand size of Marik. And then while they're waiting for a move, they say it again. And there's so much pointless banter! I can understand pauses to build suspense, but these guys are just building agony!

But howabout somethign controversial? Something where we can get some different camps? How about this: Why is Static Shock a terrible show? Or at least another question like that. Showdown? Lucha? Somethin'?

[Marril]

Yeah, I agree that recapping Osiris' ability every two minutes in the dub was a little silly. It's not even the most difficult card ability to explain (now, I'd expect Chaos Emperor Dragon to be a royal pain to explain in the animé). While a lot of suspense can be built up mid-battle with the speech—and it often is in the original—the dub fills it with lame banter about "i r going 2 pwn j00 n00b" and the like.

Also, Static Shock is an okay show when they don't mutilate African legends (anything with Anansi) one or two episodes a season. The "hey look there can be black superheroes" attitude can be carried too far. Also, there really isn't a need to cross over into the Justice League ten times a season. It's like saying Static can't carry his own show, and that he needs the likes of Batman and Superman to make the show worth watching.

Xiaolin Showdown gets points for spelling xiaolin the Chinese way. Otherwise I have no opinions on it.

Mucha Lucha is completely retarded though. I'm sorry if I offend the people who like it, but really, it is. It's like Spongebob in that it aims to provide cheap laughs and not much else.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

lol!

Totally agree with the cross-over episodes. WAAAAAY too many. Plus its not like the Justice league is all that great...

And yeah, the African legends...i remember watching the Anasi (i think they might have used a "z" it's been a while since) Legends in that one tall tales and legends series. It was amazing art with a celebrity narrator. There was one of my favorites: Pecos Bill narrated by Robin Williams. There was How the Camel Got his Humpf with Jack Nicolson (greeeeeaaaaat voice), How the Elephant Got his Trunk with Jack again, and Anasi the Spider and the Tiger (or somethin') with Danny Glover. Check the library for these, it's worth it.

Anyways, i liked the Anansi episodes. Not up to par with Mr. Glover, but hey.

And Mucha Lucha: THEME SONG!!! ...Yeah, i got nuthin'...

[FireFighter095ReBorn]

The way yu-gi-oh goes right now it looks like it wone be long till they need a break to find new twist because they cut one twist to add one and they are on the brink of bringing the origional idea to an end so once that happens they need a new thing to work off of hense the low # of episodes.

I think pokemon will be a lomg run because they need to get ash past dewford island and get the next badges started so they will do what they did in johto and have a 10 episode run between badges. Thats just my opinion. Mucha lucha dosent have many episodes because cartoon network pulled new episides friday for the show.

[Marril]

The way Yu-Gi-Oh goes right now, it looks like it won't be long until they need a break to find new twist, because they cut one twist to add another one, and they are on the brink of bringing the original idea to an end. Once that happens they need a new thing to work off of, hence the low number of episodes.
Yeah, because going into a shadowy organisation that has reasons for vengeance with most of the main cast (I think it was Varon's father who got killed by Gozaburo Kaiba's war materiel), not to mention messing around with Atlantis (yes, that Atlantis) isn't new with what's been going on the past while. ¬_¬ Plus we actually get to see the pharaoh's duel against the high priest, from what I've read. If that's not good enough, well, then nobody's making you watch the show.

Oh, and I fixed your spelling and grammar. No need to thank me.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

By the way, any opinions about "The Batman?" I think it could do well. The look of Batman is a little shocking, but i think that can be overcome. I will put my money here: this is a show to watch for...literally.

Anyways, any insight?

[bullados]

Batman has always sold, for some odd reason. Personally, I think that he's the 2nd koolest super hero ever created (behind Your Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman)

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

Hmm...that's a tough one, I'll admit, but i think Batman takes it there. He is just a human. Like any other billionaire human, he can only do so much. He has no superpowers, he only has his wits. That is the coolest thing about him, i guess. It's so cool when you have a psychological trial to confront; Batman the Dectecive! That's waaaaay better than just having your amazing powers do your feats for you. The Riddler is one of my favorite villains, as you might guess. Brain power with a pinch of brawn when needed makes for the best possible DC comics could make! Marvel is all about...marvelous heroes. So, it isn't as impressive as someone who does all his own stunts, so to speak.

That is why i would support Batman over Spiderman. But hey, Spiderman is incredibly cool too, but that one brain factor beats him out.

Anyone agree with me?

[Marril]

Actually I think that a billionaire with no superpowers at all shouldn't be classified as a "superhero." I don't have anything against Batman, I just don't really like him that much.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

Well, note that I was very careful (as i always am when talking about Batman) to not use the word Superhero. I value the fact that he's not super, but he is a hero. That's another reason i didnt like that he was with the super friends. So, yeah. Plus the entire Batman world is cool. The best villains, plots, and stunts come from that Batman World. Batman is what every superhero should dream to be.

[bullados]

I chose Spidey mostly b/c he's the most human out of all the heroes that I've ever seen. He has problems just like the rest of us. His gf dumps him more times than a trashbag, his job is worthless, and, yet, even with all of those powers, he refuses to steal anything. That's what I call a superhero. No disrespect to Bats, I just don't like the fact that he relies completely and 100% on technology and his monetary resources to back up his ability to beat these villians.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

well let's not be brash; Batman is the one with the wits! Wits! He can out think opponents. I do enjoy that Spiderman is humerous by nature, though. But i like how Batman is stoic, too. He doesn't rely 100% on his money and technology; that's a bit of a stretch. But think of those as his superpowers. To compensate for his lack of superpowers, grant him unlimited funds and sophisticated tools. Plus he knows martial arts. Spiderman gets a bunch of publicity too, you know. I think it is definately Batman's turn by now.

[Lanturn_Trainer]

I, think that the DC heroes have never really been as cool as the Marvel heroes, because DC just has one guy with so invincible superpowers [GL, Superman, Wonder Woman etc.] but Marvel focuses on teams [The Avengers, X-men, Fabtastic Four] which i think is cool because it's like a big multiplayer game in which everyone represents one power that one DC guy is made of.

[Prime]

We all have different opinions, so lets just leave it at that. This would be my fav schedule:

[8:00-8:30]-Jackie Chan Adventures
[8:30-9:00]-Megaman NT Warrior
[9:00-9:30]-Astro Boy
[9:30-10:00]-Xaolin Showdown
[10:00-10:30]-Pokemon
[10:30-11:00]-Yu-Gi-Oh
[11:00-11:30]-Mucha Lucha
[11:30-12:00]-Static Shock

Why no TT? Because that is on CN now. Why no scooby doo? Because the old ones were MUCH better...especially the one with batman and robin. The new ones are overated. I like this schedule because it starts out with a good show, then a new show that might or might not be good. Then add in some astro boy which is a great anime, then alittle xaolin showdown which is funny and cool, followed by the clingers, pokemon and yu-gi-oh. Finish the mourning up with some funny mucha lucha and some cool static shock. I like all these shows, some more than others, and the ones I don't like as much are grouped between two shoes I do like, so I will watch it anyways.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

that's a good idea: ideal line-ups.

For now, I'll say, the best shows should be put on a little later.

Here's what I'm thinking in terms of quality:

Start with lesser quality shows early so that you dont have to wake up early--barely awake to see the best shows (I'm Pacific time).
Go on to one of the better shows
Get to one of the sure fire hit shows
Finish softly with another show that may or may not be better than the early morning ones--Maybe a show that is not terrible, but not a great show either.

Ex (in my opinion of quality) :
Scooby-*** type show
Static Shock type show
Pokémon show
Mucha Lucha type show

And that's how i would break it down. As you can see there's four basic stages of shows. I would put a new show that just got launched somewhere between here and here to make sure it gets some exposure.

Look at the line-up as a meal at a pricey resturaunt. First you have your drink, then your apetizer, then your main course, and finally your dessert to wrap it all up.

Later on i'll see if i can peice together my own line-up.

[bullados]

9:00: Mucha Lucha (this sux)
9:30: Jackie Chan (old episodes, new ones are not that great)
10:00: Xiolian Showdown (not all THAT bad...)
10:30: Astro Boy (VERY NICE, just underappreciated...)
11:00 Pokemon (boring, but people like it)
11:30 YGO (it has its ups and downs)
12:00 Megaman NT Warrior (right here it gets some exposure)
12:30 Static Shock (good, but not great)

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

what's so bad with newer Jackie Chan? The only newer saga that was not so great was some of the Shen Du's siblings saga.

And as for Mega Man, i would treat it as a show that has already had some exposure, but then again, it has faded from memory recently, so i guess executives would want to consider that...