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Mr_Fuji
08/19/2003, 09:32 PM
Rocket's Casino
(Statium Card)

Discard this card if another statium card comes into play.

When you play this card from your hand to the field chose one: Heads or Tails. From the point this statium card comes into play untill it is discarded, all coin flips (Both yours and your opponent's) are the stated.

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Basically, This can either make baby decks seriously VIABLE, or can make babbies completely useless. This can cause the depletion of the baby rule for a turn (or turns ;x), but in the same aspect, it can make agility perminate with slowking. Intresting strategy, really. Slowking/fearow would be so deadly...

dkates
08/19/2003, 09:36 PM
I don't know... seems overpowered. But here's a similar text that might not be:

At the beginning of each player's turn, that player flips a coin. Until the end of that player's turn, all coin flips are considered to have the same result as this flip.

Mr_Fuji
08/19/2003, 09:58 PM
naaah I like mine better...

Pikachu/Slowking all the way!

Kyogre
08/19/2003, 10:14 PM
Actually this card isn't all that broken. B/c if you choose heads, then your opponent would get the benefits as well as you. But if you choose tails, then both players get the disadvantage. It would almost need a deck based around it.

yoshi1001
08/19/2003, 10:30 PM
I can name a few cards that could totally abuse this card. Fossil Geodude EX Linoone. Not a good idea.

Mr_Fuji
08/19/2003, 11:31 PM
Forget that... ANY card with agility, paired with a 2-2 slowking line. Imagine, Pikachu would become a MAJOR archetype!

dkates
08/20/2003, 12:00 AM
Actually, that would bring up an interesting question. Say you choose heads, and someone attacks with an attack that reads, "Flip a coin until you get tails. This attack does X damage for each heads." Since the tails can't occur, what happens?

Mr_Fuji
08/20/2003, 07:40 AM
rofl, obv. you can stop once the pokemon is KOed... but the idea is to always use agility sucessfully, meaning however much damage is done, followed by instant immunity durring your deck turn, meaning geodude and such are useless.

Was also concidering fearow, but that's an evo...

yoshi1001
08/20/2003, 09:59 AM
Here's the problem. Let's move into Unlimited for a second here. Suppose I declare heads and play Slowking. Now nothing short of a power stopper will allow trainers to be played. This is just a sampling of the many flaws in this card. It creates a terrible game dynamic where only a small subset of cards are actually playable.

dkates
08/20/2003, 12:45 PM
Not to mention, the only counter would be another Stadium or another copy of this one in the other mode. That's why I suggested a single flip at the beginning of each turn. At least then, it's a risk.

Turbo Blastoise
08/20/2003, 01:16 PM
Not to mention, the only counter would be another Stadium or another copy of this one in the other mode. That's why I suggested a single flip at the beginning of each turn. At least then, it's a risk.

What I'd like to know is how this card would handle cards like Fossil Geodude (when you flip heads for Rocket's Casino) that say "Flip a coin until you get tails, this attack does ___"?

Carrington388
08/20/2003, 01:25 PM
Declaring heads and playing Mary's Impulse will cause you to deck. The original design does have some drawbacks, but dkates's fix is more balanced and would do better.

dkates
08/20/2003, 02:32 PM
Of course, even with my fix, Mary's Impulse would be unplayable with this Stadium in play -- a heads means you deck, a tails means you get nothing. Another thing -- a Banded Baby would be even more powerful with this Stadium -- as long as the Baby is Banded, it can't be KO'd -- either the attack misses, or the Band activates. It would take a minimum of two attacks to KO the Baby.

Nick15
08/20/2003, 05:58 PM
Heads: Auto-Paralyzation.
Tails: Can't kill Babies.

It's broken.

dkates
08/21/2003, 01:59 AM
Agreed, but I would like to see if there is a way to have a similar effect without it being broken. I've already proposed one fix. Any ideas, nick -- or anyone else, for that matter?

Mr_Fuji
08/21/2003, 03:15 PM
Have any of you read my comments durring this post? The idea was to BE broken! This makes pikachu/slowking the ultimate deck in unlimited!

Here's why... 2-2 slowking line, as long as yu get ONE slowking out by turn two, and a pikachu... and the gym... agility goes on forever. Even if a baby was banded before slowking came out.. Pikachu cant get hurt. the ONLY way out of it is to play 4 gyms and a 4-4 muk line...

yoshi1001
08/21/2003, 04:17 PM
Mr Fuji, forgive me for what I'm about to say, but we really don't care. Broken cards have no place here as far as I'm concerned. They're boring and pointless. Anyone can come up with such cards with no skill involved. So don't be surprised when people start harassing you if you keep posting cards like this. Eventually people will just give up and start ignoring you. I'm sorry if that sounded rude, but that's the way it is.

Mr_Fuji
08/21/2003, 04:23 PM
We really don't care. Broken cards have no place here as far as I'm concerned. They're boring and pointless. Anyone can come up with such cards with no skill involved. So don't be surprised when people start harassing you if you keep posting cards like this. Eventually people will just give up and start ignoring you. I'm sorry if that sounded rude, but that's the way it is.

No, that wasn't rude... much. Broken cards are when the game has been based arround. It didnt used to be that way, but it is now. You need to face the music. Nearly every deck played in tournaments (like the FAT) were archetypes. I know the winning ones were, for sure. Now I know how much you like to be smart (For example, Your match against my dad at Gen Con. You didnt wait for focus flips before taking your prize, my dad let you just put it back after the focus band worked, but as soon as he does something similar - no - wait - He didnt even look at the cards.. You went and called the judge.)

You can sound smart all day and all night. The last time I checked, The boards were for recreation and learning. well, This card happens to be a funny card, so I posted it. and guess what, it was created to counter the deck you lost to. The baby deck.

Anyway, how about you stop riding my back for awhile, k?

"Fifty bucks says this goes right to a mod"

yoshi1001
08/21/2003, 04:42 PM
I will ignore your personal attacks. Just because it's an archetype doesn't make it broken. Modified right now is actually pretty balanced (compared to previous formats). Why upset that balance, particularly with a card that creates a game dynamic unfavorable to creative thought? Rather than expanding the game, you contract it. That's the real problem. Your card isn't interesting, it's suffocating.

Fawkes0126
08/21/2003, 04:42 PM
I like this card, myself. It really does good for the steel magnemite card from Neo Discovery, especially.

Sunflorazumarill
08/21/2003, 04:43 PM
Exactly what IS an achetype anyway?

Mr_Fuji
08/21/2003, 04:48 PM
In seriousness, If there was going to be a card made for controlling flips, it'd be a pokemon tool that discards itself at the end of the turn. Any flips involving the pokemon this card is attached to are to be concidered heads.

Carrington388
08/21/2003, 05:03 PM
Archetypes are cards that can become dominant in decks, sometimes combined. An example is Blaziken/Cargo.

treecko_332
08/21/2003, 07:29 PM
Another version of this card could be:

Discard this card if another statium card comes into play.

When Rocket's Casino Comes into play filp a cion if heads you pick heads or tails, if tails your opponent picks heads or tails.
Whenever a cion is fliped that is of the chosen type re-flip. A coin flip may only be re-filped once.

Mr_Fuji
08/21/2003, 07:38 PM
Hmmm... Maybe

invisible
08/22/2003, 06:57 AM
i think it should be more of a per turn thing, such as flipping every turn for the effect, which would pretty much be the same as flipping for the outcome. except that banded babies wouldn't die.... it is broken...

dkates
08/24/2003, 09:45 AM
Here's a text that gets around the Banded Baby problem:

Rocket's Casino
Stadium Card
(Stadium Rule)

At the beginning of each player's turn, that player flips a coin. If heads, until the end of that player's turn, all coin flips by that player are considered to be heads. If tails, until the end of that player's turn, all coin flips by that player are considered to be tails.

The key difference is the phrase "by that player." Since the Baby check and the Focus Band check are done by different players, the Focus Band check is unaffected. Of course, Sneasel would still have a field day with this one, but no possible version of the text would prevent that one.

Jeremy Badeaux
08/24/2003, 11:27 PM
I'm thinking that you could make it your choice on the outcome of your first flip every turn.

You could, however choose to make it affect everything other than attacks.

invisible
08/25/2003, 04:25 AM
well, that's basically the premise of the card, to be able to control the multiple flip attacks and effects. which makes it broken for so many reasons. that's why they made coin flips in the first place, so some effects will NOT take place...