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SuperWooper
04/02/2004, 05:44 PM
Well, I ran Aggron EX/Wailord at my previous CC, and it did well. I'm thinking though, now that Blaziken EX is out, Wailord might not be able to "cut the mustard", since it's extremely unlikely I'll ever have five energy on a Wailord. It's HP is good, 120 is out of the reach of Blaziken EX, but after Take Down, 100 is exactly enough to kill it, and Rayquaza resists it. Not looking good.

History is often said to repeat itself, and it may be today. Back about a year ago, Espeon/Steelix was a popular deck. It was a very viable deck, playtested to death and often won at SBZs and the like. I was just thinking...

Isn't Blaziken EX weak to Psychic? Yes. Wouldn't Espeon be a decent supporting pokemon in Aggron EX decks? Yes. It also beats Gardy more easily, adding even more ease to the deck's victory. I thought, thought, and though some more, and came up with a metal/psychic deck for the CCs:

Pokemon: 22
4 Dunsparce
3 Aron
3 Lairon
2 Aggron EX
3 Eevee
3 Espeon
2 Sentret
2 Furret

Energy: 17
7 Psychic
4 Metal
4 Boost
2 Warp Energy

Trainers: 21
4 Birch
3 POR
2 Shaman
2 Power Charge
2 Crystal Shard
2 Warp Point
2 Potion
2 Oran Berry
2 Weakness Guard

After designing this deck, I wondered if I could shake things up a little. So I made these OPTIONAL CHANGES to the deck:

-1 Sandstorm Espeon
-2 Warp Energy
-3 Psychic Energy
-2 Warp Point
+4 Water Energy
+2 Sandstorm Vaporeon
+2 Switch

It's more "you send up something and I'll counter it" type of deck. It's not needing Warp Point because I don't want to force them back to the bench, I have four different types (with crystal shard) in my deck and I'll take whatever they dish out. I added Vaporeon for Blaziken regular, and dropped an Espeon because I thought Vaporeon could take some of the burden of beating Blaziken, but not too much: it can't KO it in one shot, and needs at least two energy cards attached to it. Whereas Espeon needs only 3 extra energy on the opponent's bench after Blaziken EX's Volcanic Ash attack. It's a bit conditional, but possible.

I also designed this deck for the SCs:

Pokemon: 25
4 Dunsparce
3 Aron
3 Lairon
3 Aggron EX
3 Corphish
3 Crawdaunt (Rare)
2 Sentret
2 Furret
2 Wobbuffet

Energy: 16
6 Psychic
2 Rainbow
4 Metal
4 Boost

Trainers: 19
4 Birch
2 POR
2 Shaman
2 Power Charge
2 Shard
2 Switch
3 Potion
2 Oran Berry

This deck uses Wobbuffet for the psychic type, and Crawdaunt can also be boosted for backup. Rend goes well with Metal Surge, since if Blaziken EX retreats to the comfort of its bench, I can Metal Surge and do some big time damage, then Blaziken EX will come out and KO my Aggron EX, then I'll rend for a KO, even with Weakness Guard, assuming I had Flipped Over. The deck has all the bases covered - well, a lot of them, at least.

I'm not sure which deck would fair better at the SCs in Maryland...I personally love Sandstorm Espeon to death (ARTWORK!) but I'm not going to worry about art when the time for big tourneys comes around.

Give me your feedback, people. And as a pre-signature PS, I want to say sorry for posting like 3 decks at once. I'm kind of hogging the forum (XP) to myself, but it's that time of year, by which I mean, the SCs, and I need the preparation.

In addition, don't be afraid to tell me to just play regular Wailord from RS. It's cool if you don't like the ideas I've posted. Right now I have about 5 modified decks and one future deck (BEGIN BLATENT ADVERTISEMENT...SEE MY SIGNATURE...END BLATENT ADVERTISEMENT), so give me foodback...wait....feedback.

Um........

Yeah.

Wooper

MonkeyMan
04/02/2004, 05:52 PM
1) Steelix/Espeon wasnt a good choice for a SBZ because it got SMASHED by entei cargo

2) Scrap the first deck it has NO shot against rayquaza that blaziken ex is packing

3) The best option but I dont think crawdaunt is fast enough to deal with the beatdown BAR can lie on you.

Overall I dont think this deck can deal with BAR realisitcally but vs everything else it seems viable.

SuperWooper
04/02/2004, 06:01 PM
1) Steelix/Espeon wasnt a good choice for a SBZ because it got SMASHED by entei cargo

2) Scrap the first deck it has NO shot against rayquaza that blaziken ex is packing

3) The best option but I dont think crawdaunt is fast enough to deal with the beatdown BAR can lie on you.

Overall I dont think this deck can deal with BAR realisitcally but vs everything else it seems viable.

1) This is true, but if you got a few Espeon out quickly, you could do some serious damage when they discarded all their energy, since then they'd have to use Howl again. They couldn't attack when they used this power, and kept the energy on them, so Espeon could get in a decent shot. Focus Band on Espeon and hope to survive. Psychic next turn=KO. Against others it worked even better, but it's true that it had some trouble. I'd seen it go 1st in many SBZs.

2) Yeah, that's why I changed it to include Vaporeon and Shard=KO. However, it needs a lot of the right cards at the right time, so I've decided of either Crawdaunt or Wailord with Aggy for the SCs. Hey, I'm broke, man, can't afford BAR or Turbo Amphy, my two faves in the current modified, at teh moment, saving up for Stoise EX, baby!

3) With a greater amount of skill than my opponent and a little luck, I could pull off a few wins against some of the best, just ask Mudkip, he'll vouch for me (end inside joke). You're right though, but heck, everything has trouble with BAR, this more so than others sometimes it seems, but I think I'll tough it out.

Thanx, Monkey, your opinion counts. Should I run CRAWDAUNT OR WAILORD? It's up to you.

Well, actually it's up to me.

But I'm listening.

Sort of.

Wooper

Pidgeotto Trainer
04/02/2004, 08:21 PM
You definately can't run just Espeon as Blaze swarm after taking down Aggron ex is enough to win. I don't like the idea of relying on Crawdaunt and your opponent already has damage. If you stick with this deck go with the Wailord/Wobbuffet version or the 2 Eeveelution might work too. Wobbuffet was too slow for this deck before and probably still is. I don't think there is too much a chance against Blaze ex for any of them.

lookinforwailordex
04/03/2004, 12:17 PM
do you guys think that wailord ex can beat aggron ex if it was faster then it becuase i played one person who plays a aggonr ex and i cant beat it when he gets it out but my wailord ex is out before it?

SuperWooper
04/03/2004, 06:15 PM
do you guys think that wailord ex can beat aggron ex if it was faster then it becuase i played one person who plays a aggonr ex and i cant beat it when he gets it out but my wailord ex is out before it?

No, a fully built Aggron EX would tear your fossils apart, since you need some benched to Super Deep Dive back to. And if you're not playing fossils, then...it'll be the mismatch of the century if you're ever playing somebody DECENT. Try it sometime, I'll take you on, AIM me at RecnepS0070 for a battle. Try not to go off topic, even though this was about Aggron EX, you can make your own Wailord EX thread (not that you haven't made about 50 interjections of other people's posts about Wex).

My Aggron EX vs. your Wex, I know who wins.

Wooper

PS. I've decided to go Wailord if this is what I run at my SC. Replace the Crawdaunt with Wailord in the last deck in the first post and comment away.

Tyranitar666
04/03/2004, 08:26 PM
-4 Dunsparce, +4 of those 1337 VIP Plush Phanphy. Seriously, they are actually awesome as heck. I traded a Foil Swampert for mine! Every deck needs FOUR.

MonkeyMan
04/04/2004, 01:53 AM
WTF are you talking about fulop? Im intrigued :P

GodTrainer
04/04/2004, 04:42 PM
well superwooper, since you are so rude to everyone else

your deck sucks

just play BEX

SuperWooper
04/05/2004, 10:01 AM
I don't think I'd take advice from somebody using a Shedinja/Whiscash deck, GodTrainer.

I'm only rude to those people who play bad decks and talk about them like they'll be the bomb. I try not to brag too often, bad I inject my opinion when I feel like doing so: and in that Shedinja/Whishcash deck (you're ticked about that, aren't you?) help was needed. If you want to play a winning deck, change the whole theme, from the way you talked, you thought the deck could actually win, because Aggron EX/Wailord/Wobb still at least stands a small chance.

Whishcash... X_X Somebody kill me.

Wooper