View Full Version : 2007-10-22 Holon's Castform- HP 044/110
10/22/2007, 06:42 AM
Sorry for the lag in putting a card up.
It was a crazy weekend!
Sticking with the posted list, here you go!
10/22/2007, 06:45 AM
Still donkable, just dont play this card....7/10.
10/22/2007, 06:49 AM
Last seasons Best starter, HP-on it's just a TeCH to some Decks cause it can be a energy.
10/22/2007, 07:21 AM
It has its ups (DD and Energy) and downs (weakness) but people still play it.
Ky00ber the III
10/22/2007, 07:30 AM
A great card for delta decks..too and for the donkage by Mario and friends
10/22/2007, 09:11 AM
Better known as "the other DRE", you will rarely, if ever, play this as your starter except in a delta deck. It's list of uses is even longer than the text that allows it to be used as Energy. It's Mentorable, can be attached to a basic, and can be easier to find than your special Energy Cards.
10/22/2007, 10:54 AM
So it's a good card for the 'double energy' clause, but not very good for the card draw ability in the current format? Is that what I am reading?
Dad of Three Pokemon Players
10/22/2007, 11:09 AM
Mentorable energy is still uber good.
10/22/2007, 11:22 AM
The current format, delta draw isn't what you want to relay on for a starting engine.
The format isn't 4 Castform 4 Holon Trans and 4 Mentors.
The format has Several Pokes that will destroy the castform T1.
T2 Holon Mentor start's are guarenteed,
Wager threat can spoil a 5 card Delta Draw.
In a delta deck, one could look to the benefit of having the energy versitility of the card. 1 or 2 castaways in a delta deck wouldn't be the worst thing to give a deck good nrg diversity.
Thus current format 6/10.
10/22/2007, 12:02 PM
9/10 For me
Its a good card but bad when by itself with no bench.
Works very well in R-Gon but not much else anymore =/
Mentorable (Holon Mentor can fetch it since it is a basic)
Is sometimes good as a starter, but unlike most starters, it severs a helpful purpose late game (energy)! :D
Good way to get tons of cards in hand
Very bad con is that it can get OHKO T1 by Riolu!
Things get ugly when it is the only pokemon in your starting hand and no mentor is present or an energy
Can't do any damage
Is subject to attacks that disable
Doesn't have a free retreat cost
Has no resistance
Doesn't work well with Great Ball or Pokemon Fan Club (to get castform) since those cards put the basic immediately onto the bench, meaning it can't be attached as an energy
Usage for the average deck in modified: 2/10
Usage for R-Gon or possibly Kingdra or other weird delta species deck: 8.9/10 because it can get donked, but it still should be played!
10/22/2007, 12:57 PM
Good for the energy part, not so much on everything else though.
10/22/2007, 02:13 PM
9/10 For me
Its a good card but bad when by itself with no bench.
isn't everything a bad card by iteslf with no bench?
10/22/2007, 03:27 PM
This is a pretty good card if you run one in a delta deck, but it has low hp and a bad weakness. It is especially bad by itself because of the hp and the moves. Its attack would be good if you just need one card and then that will help the chances. Its also very good for the energy. I would give it an 8/10 for delta decks.
10/22/2007, 03:34 PM
+ It's the last Mentorable Energy card in the format
- It doesn't work unless you already have an Energy
+ It's a great draw start in delta decks, especially R-Gon
- It's a horrible start in anything else
- It can get donked by Riolu and Machop
+ It provides any two Energy
+ It can be attached to Pokemon-ex
- It can't be attached using Delta Supply
+ If you use Delta Supply on a different Energy, you can then attach Holon's Castform to that same Pokemon
- After you play it and retreat, Super Scoop Up is the only way to clear up the Bench space.
Yeah, that's basically it.
10/22/2007, 03:59 PM
one of my favorite cards cause of the dre
10/22/2007, 04:32 PM
Still works great for mentorable nrg, in Hurricane and R-gon. Dosn't work in any thing that dosn't have a ton of basic so you never have to start with it.
8/10 for nrg provideing 5/10 as a starter
10/22/2007, 09:03 PM
i think this card is going to be a a little more playable with the new supporter, hamana's research. It lets you search for either 2 basic pokemon, 2 basic NRG or a combination of 1-1. So you could search for 1 other pokemon and H. castform. Attach the H. castform, and still have an NRG in hand to play the next turn, while getting your other basic. So it could free up 2 basic NRG spaces, but then the odd factor of starting with it always have to be taken into account. But with all the lucarios running around, you don't want to use it as a starter, probably not even in an R-Gon deck.
Hamana's research started to dig H. Mentor grave once it was invented and is going to finish the job this coming weekend.
10/22/2007, 11:53 PM
um basically i hate this card, if it wasn't a basic it would be playable but since it is i in no way find it playable in multiples of more than 1 in any soley delta deck, i suggest multiples of 0 for non delta decks
this is actually so bad that it can get donked by non fighting type cards, I HAVE LOST TOURNAMENT MATCHES FOR RUNNING THIS CARD... aand that was last year when i realized it stunk
btw DID rgon use this as a starter? by Rgon i mean Rgon, not archetype flygon with techs
10/22/2007, 11:58 PM
Holon's Castform is easily one of the most versatile Pokemon to exist. Back in last format, it made the perfect starter for Holon decks, often Delta Drawing for 3+ cards Turn 1. Additional copies made it an excellent source of "every energy" as well. In today's format, Castform takes a dive due to the downfall of Holon decks (which came with the loss of the Holon Engine and good old Metanite), but still makes a decent tech for the energy effect, as well as a great starter still for what Holon-oriented decks remain.
Modified - 8/10 (Main flaw is that it's OHKOable by Riolu, but still a great card overall)
Limited - 10/10 (Acts as both a great source of draw AND potentially as Energy? Give me some!)
Unlimited - 2/10 (Maybe with Metanite or something? Not going to be used much here imo)
10/23/2007, 04:58 AM
Like Holon Adventurer, Holon's Castform is a card who's seen better days. The only good Delta decks out there are Flygon d variants and Kingdra ex d variants, although Meggy d and Nidoqueen d are worth trying. As draw power, Casty is a risky starter these days due to the presence of so many :fighting: type Basics that can do a number on it (DP Machop, Horsea d, and especially Riolu!).
As an Energy card, Castform is better in this regard, and may even be teched in non-Delta decks. However, this runs the risk of having Casty being your only Pokemon in your starting lineup, so using him for this purpose is strongly discouraged.
Holon's Castform gets a 2.75/5 in today's format.
- Croatian "poor little fluffy cloud" Nidoking
10/23/2007, 08:44 AM
Now im aware that fighting has became big again, but dont let that stop you from using this card.
I run a only 1 in my deck, and have only started with it once in the whole 30+ battles i have played with it, but of course im running only 1. I could use its attack but only 2 pokemon in the deck are delta. I run it because of its ability to be a DRE. Its mentorable, celioable, Maganium d able lol.
Now running it as a starter could be bad, but could be good. Since fighting/lucario is played alot, if you dont mind an every now and then t1ko then go ahead and abuse it, but if your not for it, find something else.
Mod. 8/10 (Even in this format it still works well.)
Limited. 8/10 (For those who must run more than 2 types, this card is useful)
Unlimited. 3/10 (Havnt seen it here, so i assume its not needed)
10/23/2007, 03:48 PM
Holon's Castform went from the most broken Pokemon ever printed to a below-average card in a single format shift.
A Bajillion/10 last format, 3/10 this format.
10/24/2007, 03:48 AM
I played 4 of these bad boys in every deck I played at a major tournament up until nationals last season. But with the format change and Delta decks on their deathbed, this card has lost almost all of it's worth. Even when you only run it for energy, it's risky because it's probably the worst starter in your deck. (Holon's Magneton/Electrode were infinitely better for that cause)
So for HP-on... It's still playable in a delta deck, but considering how well THOSE do in this format...</sarcasm>
10/24/2007, 03:48 PM
slow deck's rating is right on the money here.
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