Its about time anime is in theatres (again)...

[Dek]

I woke up from my hotel this morning and turned on the TV and put on Cartoon Network. Then, it happened...

I saw an advertisement for Yu-Gi-Oh!: The Movie...COMING TO THEATRES!!!

Just like the first 2 Pokemon movies, whenever you go to see the YGO movie, you get (randomly) 1 of 4 special (and playable) cards.

Although i dont remember everything, I do remember that the YGO movie will come out either during the 2nd or 3rd week of August. Its going to be rated PG (not that it matters)

So my only question is Why the heck 4Kids didnt do this with Pokemon 4ever and Pokemon Heroes as well as Wish-Maker?

[Mew Master]

I wish that thay did, movies look better in big screen.

[PokeWisconsin]

I think it is pretty obvious that the popularity of Yu-Gi-Oh! is steadily declining. More and more people are getting back into Pokemon, and it is only a matter of time before Pokemon movies are back in theaters.

[Marril]

YGO is trying to compete with Duel Masters and M:TG for popularity any way they can. Face it, WotC has two hugely popular TCGs (even if one is a fad game—the other's been around for over ten years) and YGO is floundering because it's losing fad status and it's also finding that its niche is a lot smaller than it wants to be. Thus, they push for popularity any way they can. If it involves setting Yugi against Anubis who has some crackpot eighth Sennen Item, then so be it.

YGO does, however, get better as an anime past Battle City, assuming the dub doesn't royally **** it over.

[Mew Master]

Duel Masters is just a rip-off of Yu-Gi-Oh!, and like every other rip-off it wont last more than a year befor everyone of the few people who like it turn from it. I think that pokemon will be more than a fad, I used to know a word for something like that but I forget what it was.

[Cooltrainer Aaron]

Actually, I think Duel Masters is a rip on M:TG more than YGO.

[Mew Master]

Yu-Gi-Oh! is also called duel monsters if you didn't know, it's the name of the card game thay play on the show.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

You know, I crave some serious numbers. It's great to rag on YGO, but does anyone have any real cold, hard numbers for YGO? I mean, we all like to think YGO is declining, but I have yet to see some real evidence to confirm that YGO is in it decline.

Could someone please produce some reports or something that show sales slipping, or something that can give a nod towards desperation on the part of UD?

I myself love to think that PTCG will eventually swallow up YGO and its players, but I am beginning to wonder if these hopes are even reasonable. For all I know, YGO could be doing just fine. Has anyone ever even seen official reports that point to YGO as a sinking ship?

Thanks.

[bullados]

YGO is declining, but so far seems to be surviving. Their big tournament at Origins, to my knowledge, had around 200-250 ppl, which is pretty decent considering Poke's turnout. Not sure what they had last year tho.

[Mew Master]

I hope Yu-Gi-Oh! never goes out because it's my second favorite show after pokemon and I like the card game better than pokemon because it involves alot more stratigy. I'm also the best duelist in my town and three other neer-by twon, I only wish I didn't live too far away to join a termament and wipe the floor with my power Mwahahahahaha.

[Marril]

Actually, I think Duel Masters is a rip on M:TG more than YGO.
DM is made by WotC, so yeah, they're ripping off their own game moreso than YGO.

M:TG is still the best TCG in existance, though. I just hope they never make an animé of it.

[Mew Master]

What's M; TG? I never heard of it befor.

[The Anaconda]

Magic: The Gathering... I'll bet you have heard of it.

[Mew Master]

I heard of it, and I can't beleave that's still around, there must be some perty sad people out there to like a crad game so much it stays around this long. Expecaily one based on magic.

[Marril]

Have you ever even played Magic? It's the best TCG out there. Plus, MENSA rated it as being a very good mind game. Can't go against that.

[Psycho_Lugia_X]

Oh, I heard of that. It's in Wizards' awards section, right?

You know, I read that Toshihiro Ono did (by now) or was going to do a manga based on MTG. It was in an interview--vizkids I think. But i haven't heard much about it and that announcement was made some time ago.

Ono did a series of Pokémon mangas, the Electric Tale of Pikachu variety.

[The Anaconda]

They were also going to make a M:TG Movie, but again that was several years ago.

[Marril]

What the heck would an M:TG movie be about? I'd imagine they could do the Invasion storyline, but the Weatherlight crew has been done to death period. The Mirari (Odyssey/Onslaught) storyline was very, very lame, and Mirrodin... let's not go there.

[The Anaconda]

It was coming out about the time as the Mercadia block was out , it did have the Weatherlight crew. I believe it was based on the Tempest story arc though. There was a poster that came out for it (in Scrye I think, I don't know I've never seen it). I think it would have been more interesting to do something with Urza though. Or something else with Phyrexia.

[Marril]

Personally, I think the Brothers War would be a fun movie. But that's just me.

[Mew Master]

Why did this topic turn to a stupid card game that involves little stratigy? Yu-Gi-Oh! has more stratigy to it than chess. The chances of winning are 30% cards 59% stratigy and 1% luck.

[Marril]

Yu-Gi-Oh! has more stratigy to it than chess. The chances of winning are 30% cards 59% stratigy and 1% luck.
*takes a deep, deep breath*

WHAT?

Seriously, almost any TCG is reliant on luck. The odds of drawing any single card in Magic after the opening 7-card draw (assuming a 60-card deck) is 1/53, or 4/53 if you have four of the card and didn't draw one already. A lot of Magic is strategy, yes, but it's also got a very high luck factor. Chess has zero luck factor and is completely reliant on strategy.

YGO is so broken as a game that it's 90% cards (since if you're not playing with a deck of 40 broken cards you lose), 10% luck (since you need to be able to topdeck like Yugi does to win), and 0% strategy (since you just play big monsters, broken spells, and win). I've played YGO, I should know. Fun decks simply don't win, and strategy is nonexistant.

Edit: Also, Mew Master, stop trolling. You completely ignore all retional arguments thrown your way and repeat the same things over and over. So, stop.

[Mew Master]

Magic is stupid and Yu-Gi-Oh! has more stratigy than any game, your just jelious that your not smart enuf to play good.

[Marril]

In YGO, I could win on turns 2-3 usually, pre-bannings (getting rid of Thunder Bolt, etc). Post-bannings, I can win on around turn 4-5 with a fair consistency. There's no strategy involved, other than "play aggro-control".

[Mew Master]

Some duel I've played took over two hours to play and over 50 turns, what's the longest you've ever played your old day game?

[poinko]

Must have been some pretty bad cards being played.

The very idea that any TCG has only a miniscule of a luck factor involved in the gameplay is laughable at best. Unless the playing field of YuGiOh has changed in what, the 2 expansions that have been released since I played, the skill level of YGO is far outpaced by its luck factor.

Take it fomr me, someone who worked on the YuGiOh Mall Tour for over a year. If you have 2 players who know the decks like the backs of their hands, and the two decks share a similar strategy(which was usually beatdown/control/exodia), it always, always, ALWAYS came down to luck. Who got the better opening hand, who got the one card they needed, who simply had the fortune to go first and get precisely what they needed.

Does YuGiOh require strategy? Of course. When I played, you had to know what to do with your cards to have a chance at winning, especially against someone who LUCKED OUT and got their combo or big bad monster off first, and that required knowing what to do with what you had. Strategy played a role in YuGiOh to be sure, but not as much as a whole lot of people would like to have you believe.

I've had games of Pokemon that took 2 1/2 to 3 hours to finish, and definitely more than 50 turns. Just because a game lasts forever doesn't automatically make it a battle of wits. When I was on the YGO tour, I played against a kid with a deck that I knew backwards and forwards. He beat me in 2 turns with a control deck, because he got every card he needed off the bat and I didn't get a single one that could save my life. But it was easily one of the best games of YuGiOh I played, just to see such a mad combo and insane luck come together in so few turns. A duel in YuGiOh, when played by 2 people who really know what they're doing sometimes won't last more than 10 turns total, mainly because of the high luck factor involved I mentioned earlier.

You can tell everyone there's no luck involved, you can tell people it's all about endurance, wits and brain activity, and you can tell people that an ancient game like Chess can never compare to it. But you're still 100% wrong.

[Mew Master]

I think your lieing because you said you've seen pokemon battles last more than 50 turns but there would only be 47 cards in the deck on the first turn because of the 7 cards in your starting hand and than the 6 prize cards. I'm on to you humans.

[Marril]

I think your lieing because you said you've seen pokemon battles last more than 50 turns but there would only be 47 cards in the deck on the first turn because of the 7 cards in your starting hand and than the 6 prize cards. I'm on to you humans.
Your logic is flawed. 50 turns could mean 50 turns between the two players (so 25 card draws each). There are also effects that shuffle cards into your deck (Lass comes to mind), thus increasing its size by a small amount. Moreover, the mere fact that you refer to yourself indirectly as not being human vastly hurts any credibility you claim to have.

Also, the only real TCG that can come down to a battle of wits would be M:TG, because of the card Battle Of Wits (a silly card at best).

[Mew Master]

I meant 50 turns for each player, and I'll proove that Yu-Gi-Oh! has alot of stratigy. On an episode Yugi was dueling Nowa (I think that's how his name was spelled) and Yugi only hade 200 lp and Nowa had over 7000. By using certain cards in the right ways he was able to win the duel even though all odds where stacked agenst him.

[Marril]

I meant 50 turns for each player, and I'll proove that Yu-Gi-Oh! has alot of stratigy. On an episode Yugi was dueling Nowa (I think that's how his name was spelled) and Yugi only hade 200 lp and Nowa had over 7000. By using certain cards in the right ways he was able to win the duel even though all odds where stacked agenst him.
It's spelled "Noah", as in the guy who built the legendary Ark. The YGO Noah also used Ark of Shinato as his Deckmaster to become Ruler Of Heaven, Shinato, but that's beside the point. Citing the show as strategy is pure fallacy, plain and simple. In a real game, if your opponent had 200 life and you had 7000, there would be something seriously wrong with you if you didn't win. The animé doesn't have the same standards as the real game. The real game relies on attacking with level-4, 1900-attack monsters (Blood Vors, Gemini Elf, Newt, Demon Soldier, Sapphire Dragon, etc) and powerful level-6 monsters. Finishers include cheap summons such as Chaos Emperor Dragon, which can attack and then use its ability for a quick win.

Face it, the YGO game has no real, in-game strategy whatsoever. The animé is even worse, since it glorifies card disadvantage—if you're unaware of what card advantage is and you're still trying to talk about TCG strategy, you lose the argument, pure and simple—and mediocre cards.

[Mew Master]

I've over come great odds befor. Like the time when I wasn't getting any cards I could play I only had 2100 lp left and my oponent still had 8000 and I drew the main card in my deck and 20 turns later (that is 20 turns for both of us) I won with my 2100 lp untouched from the time I drew Gravity Bind (I have two in my deck and two cards to easly add it to my hand.

[Marril]

If your opponent had drawn any way to deal with that Gravity Bind, you'd have lost. That's the thing. Every card that you play is either a threat or a solution. Gravity Bind is a bit of both—it's a solution to your opponent's attackers, but it's also a threat to your opponent's attack plan. A good Yata-Lock deck can beat it thusly:

Me: Lay a Critter or Black Forest Witch along with Mirror Force or Attack Nullification.
You: Leave said creature alive.
Me: Summon a Chaos Emperor Dragon, activate its ability, and if you're still alive (doubtful by that point), put Yatagarasu into play via Critter's/Witch's ability, there's nothing you can do to win. Period. You will have zero cards in hand and in play and will be unable to draw any more.

That's not strategy, either, at least in the sense that you're referring to. It's what a deck is designed to do, not making innovative solutions with what you have. Anybody can turn a game around due to a lucky topdeck (which is all that win was), but in YGO's case, it's not strategy, it's blind luck.

Go win against an established archetype with a Ouija Board deck, then get back to me about strategy.

[Chrisbo]

Okay, so tell me what does any of this have to do with "anime in theaters (again)"??? Sorry, but this has degenerated WAY too far off-topic. :nonono:

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- CHRISBO, Administrator