2009-1-16 Mismagius SF 7/100

[BLiZzArD]

2009-1-16 Mismagius SF 7/100

[Regis_Neo]

Today's CotD is Mismagius from SF. Statwise, Mismagius is ok, with 80 HP (10 less than usual for a Stage 1), a +20 Weakness to :dark: (good since :dark: is an uncommon type played), a -20 Resistance to :colorless (ok since :colorless Pokemon are around), and costs a cheap :colorless to Retreat. Crash Chant is an ok attack, letting you discard any 4 TMs or Pokemon Tools in play and dealing 20x the number you discard, up to 80 damage total; however, despite the fact it is a free attack, it's rare when you'll ever see Pokemon Tools or TMs, especially ones that last over a turn (Unown G blocks Crash Chant I believe, so you can't get rid of it sadly). Horror Chant is interesting, dealing a solid 40 damage for :psychic::colorless and if your opponent has 4+ Pokemon on their bench, you can send 1 of them and all cards attached back into their hand. This isn't as attractive as Dusknoir DP's Poke-Power (which you can use on the bench), but still viable.

Modified - 6/10 (Ok and can fit into some decks, but overall is outclassed usually by Dusknoir DP)
Limited - 7/10 (Odds are you won't use Crash Chant, but Horror Chant is a decent attck)
Unlimited - 1/10 (No...just no)

[ArmoredMewtwo]

Worthless since you can't get rid of Unown G with its first attack. Second attack is only a good staple for those whom don't want to bid farewell to Dusknoir (DP) after the format change.

2/10

[Pinsir52]

I don't believe it can get rid of Unown G, so its one potential use is shot down the drain, and Horror Chant is overshadowed by Dusknoir. She's just not that usefull...

I'll give her a 6/10, but only because Horror Chant can still be pretty effective.

Oh, someone please correct me if I'm wrong about the whole Unown G thing.

[ArmoredMewtwo]

I don't believe it can get rid of Unown G, so its one potential use is shot down the drain, and Horror Chant is overshadowed by Dusknoir. She's just not that usefull...

I'll give her a 6/10, but only because Horror Chant can still be pretty effective.

Oh, someone please correct me if I'm wrong about the whole Unown G thing.

Crash Chant

Q. If Unown-G is attached as a tool to a Pokemon and the opponent uses Mismagius' "Crash Chant" attack, would Unown-G be discarded or not?
A. No, Unown-G's GUARD would prevent it from being discarded and you don't get to add 20 for that tool to Crash Chant's damage either. (Nov 20, 2008 PUI Rules Team)

Seems your right.

Well, that seems a little monotonous (seeing as its effect targets G and not the pokemon it is attached to), but, keh, the ruling's team are whom get to decide that and not me.

Rating reduced to 2/10. Just not worth it anymore, unless you really need the second attack.

[vadrake]

Mismagius cannot discard Unown G. Like Pachirisu, anything that discards cards off the defending Pokemon (be it energy, trainers, tools, or even evolutions), it is considered attacking the defending Pokemon.

Currently, there is no legal way to be rid of Unown G.

[Ikari]

Crash Chant
Q. If Unown-G is attached as a tool to a Pokemon and the opponent uses Mismagius' "Crash Chant" attack, would Unown-G be discarded or not?
A. No, Unown-G's GUARD would prevent it from being discarded and you don't get to add 20 for that tool to Crash Chant's damage either. (Nov 20, 2008 PUI Rules Team)

It's in the compendium people, use it. :thumb:

[ArmoredMewtwo]

It's in the compendium people, use it. :thumb:

Yeah, got to love it when your internet connection cuts out every five seconds. ^^;; Only a few moment after you'd said this, I placed it here myself...

I still am a little sore on that note, but I'm not in a position to do much about it. :frown:

[Ignatious]

A card with a lot of potential, if it had 20 more HP, it would be amazing.

[headsrcool]

If it had no damage cap, it would be up there with Kingdra & Dusknoir. But with the damage cap, it is only a tier 2-3 deck.

[Ikari]

Yeah, got to love it when your internet connection cuts out every five seconds. ^^;; Only a few moment after you'd said this, I placed it here myself...

I still am a little sore on that note, but I'm not in a position to do much about it. :frown:

It can be worse, you can be ninja'd by vadrake :lol:

[Rogue Archetype]

no good... just use DP Dusknoir as tech instead...

N E X T ....

[LINX009]

Mismagius cannot discard Unown G. Like Pachirisu, anything that discards cards off the defending Pokemon (be it energy, trainers, tools, or even evolutions), it is considered attacking the defending Pokemon.

Currently, there is no legal way to be rid of Unown G.

The problem is it doesnt discard off of the defending it just discards it doesnt even mention the defending pokemon in crash chant so if i were to come across this problem in a tourny i was judging i would honestly have to rule it the way the card reads becuase the card just says to discard pokemon tools and technical machines if u agree with me on this pm me with your views on it

[Rogue Archetype]

The problem is it doesnt discard off of the defending it just discards it doesnt even mention the defending pokemon in crash chant so if i were to come across this problem in a tourny i was judging i would honestly have to rule it the way the card reads becuase the card just says to discard pokemon tools and technical machines if u agree with me on this pm me with your views on it


There is a ruling. Mismagius CANNOT discard a G because it's discard function is an EFFECT OF AN ATTACK...

G PREVENTS effects of an attack.

So, yeah... even without the ruling... you just read the card. It's sort of obvious.

[Pajamas]

The problem is it doesnt discard off of the defending it just discards it doesnt even mention the defending pokemon in crash chant so if i were to come across this problem in a tourny i was judging i would honestly have to rule it the way the card reads becuase the card just says to discard pokemon tools and technical machines if u agree with me on this pm me with your views on it
This has been explained countless times. There's no reasonable way to say that discarding an Unown G doesn't have an effect on the Pokemon it was attached to. To paraphrase PokePop, if I steal your wallet, you'd still complain that it had an effect on you, right? I could word it however I wanted... just call it "a wallet" and leave all mention of you out of it. You'll still be upset that I jacked your wallet. It's an effect, so Unown G prevents it. You might want to start carrying one in your pocket just in case. :tongue:

[stalkerex]

The problem is it doesnt discard off of the defending it just discards it doesnt even mention the defending pokemon in crash chant so if i were to come across this problem in a tourny i was judging i would honestly have to rule it the way the card reads becuase the card just says to discard pokemon tools and technical machines if u agree with me on this pm me with your views on it

If u was to rule it so that it could be discarded,
you would NOT be following the ruling
in the compendium..

Crash Chant
Q. If Unown-G is attached as a tool to a Pokemon and the opponent uses Mismagius' "Crash Chant" attack, would Unown-G be discarded or not?
A. No, Unown-G's GUARD would prevent it from being discarded and you don't get to add 20 for that tool to Crash Chant's damage either. (Nov 20, 2008 PUI Rules Team)

Just because you feel different wouldn't give
you the right to go against the LEGAL
ruling.

Any judge that does do something like that
shouldn't be judging in the first place.



§ No matter how its worded, it is an effect from the attack
and it will be affecting the pokemon Unknown G is attached to.


Could we keep this thread on topic now =/

[honchvire]

This is THE mewtwo x counter in regigigas and other basic decks.
No need to add in psychic energy. An oft overlooked fact is that you can discard your OWN unown g's with its first attack. Since gigas plays 2+ Gs and usually a Q or two, finding fodder for a quick discard and then TSD/NM etc them back next turn is no problem.

Every other counter I have seen people post involves several colorless energy which waste valueable time and turns to power up(Driftblim LA) or some sort of colored energy which takes up deck space(Exeggutor LA). This card only needs minimal support. At most, you'd need to add in 3 cards to your deck. Misdreavus, Mismagius, and an extra Unown Tool card(take your pick, E, G, Q) so that when the need arises, you can have 3 tools to discard for a cool 120 to a Mewtwo Level X.

I do wish there was no damage cap on Crash Chant. That would make the card a contender rather than just a counter.

7/10. Average HP. Cheap attacks with nice effects. Damage cap limits potential.

[ArmoredMewtwo]

God, my mistake made too much of a discussion here... o_o;;

My apologies for the goof up.

[stalkerex]

God, my mistake made too much of a discussion here... o_o;;

My apologies for the goof up.

Lol you are not at fault :tongue:




I liked this card at 1st.. Then I realized it couldn't
kill Unknown G and wasnt happy =(

Its "Horror Chant" attack could be useful in place of
dusknoir if your not stage 2 crazy..

I have seen it put with Dusknoir before. Pretty much
was a deck that said "NO BENCH FOR YOU" lol.

Im going to be gentle and give it a 7/10 just because
it is still a decent card... Just has Dusknoir's shadow
casting on him 24/7

[TheDoctor]

You know the attack is energy-less so make a tm/item deck and this as the main, first turn attack 80 damage-can equal auto win, other then that it can support some other Pokemon but you would need more luck compared to other :psychic: typed decks such as of course Dusknoir, Gengar, Cresselia, AMU, Alakazam ETC.

I tried it with my Dusky deck BEFORE it was beefed up by +2 Gengar and +1 Dusky X and +2 Giratina, so I can't say for certain until I get enough items/tms, remember amulet coin and leftovers aren't always bad...
For now 6/10

[PokePop]

Seems your right.

Well, that seems a little monotonous (seeing as its effect targets G and not the pokemon it is attached to), but, keh, the ruling's team are whom get to decide that and not me.

Rating reduced to 2/10. Just not worth it anymore, unless you really need the second attack.

Actually, no, we don't.
The rules team doesn't get to decide one single ruling.
Not. One. Single. Ruling.

Each and every ruling is approved by Pokemon USA's R&D team.
That's the point. They are official rulings because they either come from Pokemon USA or are approved by Pokemon USA. And I don't use "approved" in the general sense. I mean they read it over and say "yes, that's right" or "no, it should be this". Each and every ruling.

The ruling that it doesn't remove Unown G is not something we made up to screw around with the players. It is per the intent of the card designers. Sorry guys. the ruling is right. It follows the cards wording if you know how to read their templating.

Judges need to apply rulings that they disagree with. Believe me, there have been and are rulings that I don't personally agree with. That doesn't mean that I ignore them and do what I think is right because I feel that I'm so much smarter than the game designers or managers at Pokemon USA. No. It is important that players around the world get a consistant experience at tournaments no matter where they are. That judges follow rules correctly so that players can make informed choices both in deck construction and game play decisions. If judges start doing what they think is better, that all goes out the window. It is more important that rulings are consistant than that they are "right".
That is so important, I'll say it again:
It is more important that rulings are consistant than that they are "right".
Judges need to put the integrity of the Game ahead of themselves or their local game.
Sorry for breaking my own rule for the Card of the Day forum and getting into a sermon here, but this is such an important point, that I feel if a judge does not "get" this point, they should not be a judge.

[ArmoredMewtwo]

My apologies on that note then, PokePop. I'm a tad new on the Online Pokemon TCG scene and need to get some of my facts straight.

Anyway, back on topic. TheDoctor brings up a good point: built in a deck based around it, this card could be more devastating than we give it credit for. I'm almost tempted to make a deck just to test his little plan out...

[ShuckleLVX]

Remember guys, Mismagius CAN discard Unown G.

Just your own. Check the Erratta. Unown G only prevents effects of attacks done by your opponents pokemon. As long as your Mismagius isnt your opponents pokemon for whatever reason, your Unown G's are fair game as fuel!

So, Tool deck! Mismagius needs 10 more HP to be viable? Unown E! Want to protect your Claydols? Unown G! Pesky Candy-Kingdras getting you down? Devoluter! At at the end of the day, POW. Strong hit on a free attack for a S1, as well as a decent hit on a S1 (2 for 40) with a great effect behind it. This card isnt bad, by any stretch.

7/10

[Dennis Hawk]

This might get slightly more useful with Galactic's Conquest coming up, as Energy Gain is THE tool to use in those decks.

Other than that, it's a Mewtwo counter alright. The 2 energy attack is just too expensive for a pokémon with 80 HP to be played in this speedy format.

I'd 6/10 it.

[Rogue Archetype]

This has been explained countless times. There's no reasonable way to say that discarding an Unown G doesn't have an effect on the Pokemon it was attached to. To paraphrase PokePop, if I steal your wallet, you'd still complain that it had an effect on you, right? I could word it however I wanted... just call it "a wallet" and leave all mention of you out of it. You'll still be upset that I jacked your wallet. It's an effect, so Unown G prevents it. You might want to start carrying one in your pocket just in case. :tongue:

THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS!!!

Scenario ...
You'd be in the middle of getting mugged in New York.
The mugger would be like "take out your wallet."
You say "it's your move. YOU have to go for it."

Then he, reluctantly, reaches for your jacket pocket and tries to take out your wallet.
Then you're like "CAN'T DO THAT. .. unown G is attached."

He grimmaces and runs down the alley empty handed....

Moral of the story...
If a common criminal can follow the Compendium, can't you ?? :cool:

[gashmoigidy]

I think this card is extremely overrated, and I know you guys are thinking, this card is only about a 6/10, how could it be overrated. But I think everyone's saying it's better than it actually is. First attack: there are no tools in the format. None. Other than unown g and guess what, it doesn't work against unown g. awful. Second attack: This is the part where people think it might work. But the truth is it doesn't. Dusknoir does way better at sending things back, because with this attack it only goes back to the hand. T2 40 damage is actually pretty bad also.

[machampX]

its another dusknoir form DP
just need to use the energys lol
i saw some dusknoirs decks play this card