Babies Lose Protection!

[GOROY]

Has anybody notice that the baby pokemon pichu and elekid have no baby power!

[GOROY]

oops, the babies in Sandstorm don't have the power.

[Prime]

Yeah starting with R/S, all the babies didn't have the baby rule on them anymore. Now they really ARE useless.

[GOROY]

Wynaut and Azurill don't have them either.

[Mob2099]

its more than likely because they are not 30 hp, free retreat, and unsplashable(ie colorless attack). well that my 2 cents worth.

[)v(ajin_ipg21]

LESS flips make me happy...

[Nick15]

And this is a BAD thing?

I just got to say this again, I'm GLAD TPC got their heads out of their butts and fixed this game up. Less flips the better.

[Big Daddy Snorlax]

If you'll notice, they are no longer classified as Baby Pokemon, they are now classified as Basic Pokemon. The have a PokePower that allows them to evolve into another Basic, but the change in classification should get around cards that are worded to exclude Babies.

BDS

[Mr. Raichu]

I will miss not being able to EEEEEEEEEK!!

[RainbowRichards]

I will miss not being able to EEEEEEEEEK!!

2 "E"s too many ;) - no Cleffa with "Draw 9" move...

[FlygonChampion]

And this is a BAD thing?

I just got to say this again, I'm GLAD TPC got their heads out of their butts and fixed this game up. Less flips the better.

I agree. One thing, now that they arew Basic Pokemon and Babies have been eliminated, why is Lanette's Net Search worded the way it is?

[Dek]

well in this case, if the next format is gonna be E-on, does this mean that the Expedition-Skyridge Babies are gonna have their baby power disabled?

If so, I will become one happy little boy.

[Nick15]

No, Baby Pokémon still exist, and so does their ruling. But it looks like the EX-sets are working hard on trying to eliminate any knowledge of them from the game (Lanette's Net Search is a good example). I say GOOD RIDDANCE. :lol:

[GOROY]

Originally posted by Nick15-"And this is a BAD thing?"

I never said it was Bad I was just surprised when I saw the scans, I didn't realize they were changing that.

[Charizard19190]

Ya know, being not to be able to use baby power is kinda sad because i use it to an advantage!
Tyroge, i'll miss your baby power!!!
The baby power was the best power, besides charizards Energy Burn!!!

[Kanga Da Roo]

Did anyone still happen to chck in the back of the EX rule book? iF you did u will all stand corrected. Look in the Expert Rules of the EX: Ruby and Sapphire Rule Book.

a) If the Defending Pokemon is a Baby Pokemon, flip a coin to see if your turn end without an attack. (If you turn ends without an attack, Don't do any of the other steps. You're done now.)

I guess Nintendo just decided not to print in on the card. Its kool thought cuz the only coin flip i dont mind in the game is still in it. Plus it also gives that helpful Pokemon Power it has.

[Tego]

Good thing. The Baby issue was getting out of hand now, it was crazy. At some points in Modified's lifespan, people played with more Babies than normal basic Pokémon. 3 Cleffa and 2 Tyrogue were standard for every deck, and very many decks had some Pichus too on top of that.

Babies, rest in peace. I was tired of flipping by now anyway.

[Kanga Da Roo]

Good thing. The Baby issue was getting out of hand now, it was crazy. At some points in Modified's lifespan, people played with more Babies than normal basic Pokémon. 3 Cleffa and 2 Tyrogue were standard for every deck, and very many decks had some Pichus too on top of that.

Babies, rest in peace. I was tired of flipping by now anyway.


Oops I guess my post wasnt edited fast enough. View above post. Babies still live!

[pokeprofRaymond]

Well at least the baby issue is resolved. Stickin to the rulebook helps a lot. :)

[Kanga Da Roo]

Well at least the baby issue is resolved. Stickin to the rulebook helps a lot. :)


Yeh i wish alot more people would realize that the rulebook is your friend and solves alot of things.

[old man]

That may settle the question on the "older" babies but I bet there will still be some argument about the "youngest" "so called" baby pokemon like elekid & wynaut.
No where on the newest ones does it say that they are a baby pokemon. They say they are basic's. Yes they have a poke power that's called baby evolution but it still is NOT a baby pokemon

[League Leader Terry]

Well, if the new "babies" say Basic Pokemon instead of Baby, then the flip for the Baby power doesn't happen.

[Kanga Da Roo]

Well, if the new "babies" say Basic Pokemon instead of Baby, then the flip for the Baby power doesn't happen.

Yep ur right on that one. They do say basic so you would not have to flip for them.

[Big Daddy Snorlax]

And the debate goes on! I think this new set has energized the game. Lots of discussion, maybe no drastic changes, but certainly some new directions.

I agree with those that have pointed out that the newer 'Babies' wouldn't require a flip, because they are not classified as Babies. Since nothing on the card says the Pokemon is a Baby, like the older cards did, it would be pretty hard to make a case that the line in the rule book referencing the Baby flip would apply to them.

It will be interesting to see if the traditional 'Baby' reappears in future sets or promos.

BDS

[League Leader Terry]

The Baby rule is probably in the rulebook for Unlimited games since Pokemon League is supposed to be Unlimited. At least, that's what I hope. :)

[Gym Leader Blaine]

A lot of players notice this at the Prerelease on Saturday. I think it is a good thing for the reason that some players used a ton of babies in their decks just to stall that game. I don't have a problem it a player wants to use them to give himself a little time, but just to stall out the whole game is another thing. I like that they are basic in the set.

[ScythKing]

You folks need to pick the nits back up from where you dropped them.
It's a rule - not a power. Most players are aware that this rule has never gotten the end-run because it is a rule. There is also a rule that says babies are treated as basic pokemon. This so there's no argument about mulligans, putting down on the bench etc etc.
My guess would be that since Pichu, Cleffa, et al are KNOWN to be baby pokemon, it matters not what is printed on the card as far as "baby" or "basic" goes - the baby rule still applies. Think about it. Elekid and Electabuzz. Does that make Electabuzz a stage 1 now that "babies are basics"? Nope. Representing a baby as a basic and not a baby anymore (do pokemon suffer puberty?) would raise way more questions and problems than it would solve.
Besides (warning: 2 cent soapbox coming up :p ) babies carry enough of a penalty as it is - They are balanced and the game is more interesting because of them.

[Nick15]

Besides (warning: 2 cent soapbox coming up ) babies carry enough of a penalty as it is - They are balanced and the game is more interesting because of them.

What a comedian!! .... Wait... were you SERIOUS?!

[Turbo Blastoise]

Yeah, I'll miss the whole baby rule thing but I'd have to agree with Nick15, "the less flips the better". Guess it seems that we've left the Golden Age of "babies" and now moved back to where we were when the game first started in '99 with now the Second Age of BBP's.

[GOROY]

Dark Feraligatr can't stop these babies from attaching then, right?

[PokePop]

If the card doesn't say "Baby" on it, it ain't a Baby and the Baby Rule (Rule, not Power!) does not apply.
If it says Baby on it, it's a Baby Pokemon, just like Shining Gyardos isn't a Stage 1.
You go by what's printed on the card.
There's no "assumption" about the stage of a card. It's whatever is printed on it.

[ScythKing]

Besides (warning: 2 cent soapbox coming up ) babies carry enough of a penalty as it is - They are balanced and the game is more interesting because of them.

What a comedian!! .... Wait... were you SERIOUS?!
Ka-Ching - man that chain you left laying there was too easy to pull Nick! :lol: and it only cost 2 cents...

[Porygon3]

Its a game mechanic, I really dont think people should refer to it as a "power" (because its NOT) calling it the "Baby" rull is also strange- just call it the baby-mechanic, or ex-mechanic or whatever. Less flips the better? Ok then... whatever, I like fliping, eh go figure. I belive these new Pre-evolved forms (tech term from Pokemon show heh) are really `Stronger' types, like the Magbi in one of the eps, able to dish out some dammage, thus they gain weakness, retreat cost, etc- and lose the mechanic, also this pulls it inline with the gameboy version and that (seems) to be what NoA and Japan (?) want.

[JohnnyBlaze]

It doesnt matter what the back of the rulebook says. If it isnt printed on the card then you dont have to flip before attacking it. Period.

These "new babies" are interesting. I especially like Wynaut. His attack is very good if Trader will not be allowed in the upcoming format.

[PokePop]

I guess they're more like "Toddlers"

[RainbowRichards]

I guess they're more like "Toddlers"
:clap:
:lol:

:lol: LOL :lol:

[dkates]

It doesnt matter what the back of the rulebook says. If it isnt printed on the card then you dont have to flip before attacking it. Period.
Exactly. You can't assume text that isn't printed to be there, unless it was added in a later printing of the same card. There are exceptions, but each has been specifically noted, such as the Poke-Powers that should have had "You may" but didn't. Always play exactly as written unless and until given a reason to do otherwise.

[Gym Leader Blaine]

I guess they're more like "Toddlers"

That sounds good to me. So we have babies, toddlers, basic, Stage 1, and stage 2, and some got to stage EX instead of stage 2 :p

[Charizard19190]

Me TO!:)

[FlygonChampion]

Maybe just basics that evolve into basics. Toddlers is such a harsh word, it sounds like the next thing you'll see is an Elekid with diapers needing changing.

[mysterioustrainer]

I think it is great that babies are more now in control but now what the heck do we do with our current ones? Do we treat them like their new counterparts or do we treat them like they always have been.

[yoshi1001]

I believe you play each as written.

[League Leader Terry]

Exactly. They haven't errata'ed the old Babies. They've just made some "Baby" pokemon that aren't Babies.

[Charizard19190]

I agree, Terry. I think that they will probly be new babys with that certain power. If not, well, that'll be that:(.....OK???????

[Turbo Blastoise]

Guess without the baby mechanic, we won't see them played nearly as much as with the neon format. Personally, none of the new babies that I see in Sandstorm are really worth getting excited over. What do you think? Do you think people will just stop playing them all together without their beloved baby power or will they end up seeing any play?

[Charizard19190]

I think that's true,:( sadley.... there useless now!