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Matt vs. Matt: Stale Format
Posted 07/20/2008 at 09:51 PM by Prime
Matt vs. Matt
Two Views on Issues
Today's topic is...Stale Format, going to change? What about the new set? What about the rotation?
Quote:
Matt: I really like the new Japanese set. There are a lot of interesting cards in the set. I hope that we will see a striving format next season with all kinds of good decks.
Matt: I kind of doubt we will. Look at how the cards having been "evolving" (no pun intended). They have been getting more HP, and have been doing more damage for less energy. Pokemon ex that used to do 50 to anything for LC now are trumped by Pokemon that do 50 to anything for P. How can you beat a deck that does massive damage really quickly and consistently? By doing more damage, quicker and even more consistently.
Matt: I see your point, and that was kind of evident this season, but the new set offers many disruption-based cards that could throw off the big attackers. We really didn't have that many disruption cards this season. I think that is why big DMG/big HP dominated. And with a bunch of new good cards, there could be more decks out there, instead of the format consisting of 2 decks like this season.
Matt: You say we didn't have many disruption-based cards? I say we had plenty of them, but they just didn't stand up to the big DMG/big HP decks. Think about it. Even if you can deter a giant, he is still going to get to you sooner or later and squash you like a bug. Same thing here. Even if you poison+burn Gallade, it is still going to OHKO you and your next Pokemon and your next Pokemon. Even if you do disable it's second attack, it can still switch with Gardevior Lv.X, and bring down your entire bench. The ability to OHKO things for very few resources is hard to fight, even if you are disrupting everything on the field.
And even if there are a bunch of new good cards, you know the second someone finds a REALLY GOOD deck, everyone is going to copy it. People want to win, and they will throw their creativity and originality out the window for a consistent win. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but it doesn't help the game stay fresh if everyone is using the same deck.
Matt: Was there that many decent options instead of GG this season though?
I don't know about the disruption comment. We saw Dusknoir and Omastar do decently this season, and they were disruption cards.
Matt: But they were also paired with big HP/big DMG pokemon too... Did we see any fully disruptive decks do well this season?
There were other decent cards to play, but like I said, certain overpowered cards pretty much made it stupid to play anything else.
Matt: Don't you think that falls back on the creators of the cards, then? They choose which cards to make, so maybe they want the game to shift in a certain direction. Maybe they have plans for it when it does.
Thing can change. There are plenty of decent Pokemon in Legends Awakened and IDreallybignameFS. Nobody knows what will do well next season. With the loss of DRE/Scramble, and many counters to disruption, like Windstorm, disruption could claim it's seat as a "format breaker".
Matt: But we also lost disruptional cards like Cessation Crystal and Crystal Beach, and cards that could help disruption decks grab their disruptional disruption cards like Scott and Castaway (think I said Disruption enough?).
Of course, I don't know what exactly will happen next season. MAYBE disruption will be useful again. But look at the new cards coming out, doing 200 dmg for PP with that Pixie Lv.X, using the new Shaymin Lv.X to give all grass pokemon +40 HP, and tell me the format isn't focused on big HP/big DMG.
Matt: 200HP non-Lv.X, non-EX Wailord. Yeah, I can see where you are coming from. I wouldn't count disruption out though...
Matt: Claydol has made a joke out of Team Galactic's Wager, the only disruptional supporter we have next season (so far).
Matt: So, your saying that the next season will be a race to see how can do the most dmg the quickest?
Matt: Pretty much. I don't know what that means for the future of the game, if it keeps continuing.
Matt: Well, that's a totally other discussion in itself. But I hope TPC makes some changes to future cards when their format changes to DP-on. Maybe they haven't noticed the overpowered cards because their format is so wide and there are so many other options.
Matt: That's a good guess. You could be right on that.
Matt: Let's hope I am.
Matt: I kind of doubt we will. Look at how the cards having been "evolving" (no pun intended). They have been getting more HP, and have been doing more damage for less energy. Pokemon ex that used to do 50 to anything for LC now are trumped by Pokemon that do 50 to anything for P. How can you beat a deck that does massive damage really quickly and consistently? By doing more damage, quicker and even more consistently.
Matt: I see your point, and that was kind of evident this season, but the new set offers many disruption-based cards that could throw off the big attackers. We really didn't have that many disruption cards this season. I think that is why big DMG/big HP dominated. And with a bunch of new good cards, there could be more decks out there, instead of the format consisting of 2 decks like this season.
Matt: You say we didn't have many disruption-based cards? I say we had plenty of them, but they just didn't stand up to the big DMG/big HP decks. Think about it. Even if you can deter a giant, he is still going to get to you sooner or later and squash you like a bug. Same thing here. Even if you poison+burn Gallade, it is still going to OHKO you and your next Pokemon and your next Pokemon. Even if you do disable it's second attack, it can still switch with Gardevior Lv.X, and bring down your entire bench. The ability to OHKO things for very few resources is hard to fight, even if you are disrupting everything on the field.
And even if there are a bunch of new good cards, you know the second someone finds a REALLY GOOD deck, everyone is going to copy it. People want to win, and they will throw their creativity and originality out the window for a consistent win. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but it doesn't help the game stay fresh if everyone is using the same deck.
Matt: Was there that many decent options instead of GG this season though?
I don't know about the disruption comment. We saw Dusknoir and Omastar do decently this season, and they were disruption cards.
Matt: But they were also paired with big HP/big DMG pokemon too... Did we see any fully disruptive decks do well this season?
There were other decent cards to play, but like I said, certain overpowered cards pretty much made it stupid to play anything else.
Matt: Don't you think that falls back on the creators of the cards, then? They choose which cards to make, so maybe they want the game to shift in a certain direction. Maybe they have plans for it when it does.
Thing can change. There are plenty of decent Pokemon in Legends Awakened and IDreallybignameFS. Nobody knows what will do well next season. With the loss of DRE/Scramble, and many counters to disruption, like Windstorm, disruption could claim it's seat as a "format breaker".
Matt: But we also lost disruptional cards like Cessation Crystal and Crystal Beach, and cards that could help disruption decks grab their disruptional disruption cards like Scott and Castaway (think I said Disruption enough?).
Of course, I don't know what exactly will happen next season. MAYBE disruption will be useful again. But look at the new cards coming out, doing 200 dmg for PP with that Pixie Lv.X, using the new Shaymin Lv.X to give all grass pokemon +40 HP, and tell me the format isn't focused on big HP/big DMG.
Matt: 200HP non-Lv.X, non-EX Wailord. Yeah, I can see where you are coming from. I wouldn't count disruption out though...
Matt: Claydol has made a joke out of Team Galactic's Wager, the only disruptional supporter we have next season (so far).
Matt: So, your saying that the next season will be a race to see how can do the most dmg the quickest?
Matt: Pretty much. I don't know what that means for the future of the game, if it keeps continuing.
Matt: Well, that's a totally other discussion in itself. But I hope TPC makes some changes to future cards when their format changes to DP-on. Maybe they haven't noticed the overpowered cards because their format is so wide and there are so many other options.
Matt: That's a good guess. You could be right on that.
Matt: Let's hope I am.
Thanks for reading!
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