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    I think that I found this topic looking for some Frost Ray improvements, and talk about rotation was important, I had completely forgotten about it.

    Well, I can afford some mentioned singles, except Greninja BREAK (a single copy of it is like 1.5x the price of the entire deck). The way you say, seems that Stone Heart is a better option than Wave Slasher if I have access to other cards, right? Or it was just an impression?

    About the Sky Guardian, may you have a list of linked-cards or something like that so I can look at the cards? I found nothing about it on Bulbapedia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokunaga Minoru View Post
    I think that I found this topic looking for some Frost Ray improvements, and talk about rotation was important, I had completely forgotten about it.

    Well, I can afford some mentioned singles, except Greninja BREAK (a single copy of it is like 1.5x the price of the entire deck). The way you say, seems that Stone Heart is a better option than Wave Slasher if I have access to other cards, right? Or it was just an impression?
    Better is a difficult adjective to use in this case, given the decks have two very different playstyles. The doubled Grass-focused Stone Heart is about locking the opponent's Items down, while the doubled Water-focused Wave Slasher rapidly sets up low-Energy Greninja while reducing the opponent's chances of attacking with Slowking. What is better depends on how you prefer to play; I am simply offering options and suggestions based on the cards provided in those decks. What works better for me is the doubled Wave Slasher, but again, that is how I prefer to play.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tokunaga Minoru View Post
    About the Sky Guardian, may you have a list of linked-cards or something like that so I can look at the cards? I found nothing about it on Bulbapedia.
    List from Bulbapedia or Pokebeach.
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    So I'll take the Double Stone Heart, because I think a defensive style suits me. Any other suggestions than Uncommon Vespiquen and Forest of Giant Plants? Man, I can't believe that I haven't found the link yesterday...
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    Taking the cue about improvements, what do you guys think about -2 Fighting Fury Belt, -2 Great Ball, -2 Misty's Determination, -4 Potion and +4 Dive Ball, +2 Rough Seas, +4 Professor Sycamore on Wave Slasher deck? Is Sycamore overkill when we have Shauna and Tierno? Maybe it's a newbie mistake, but I don't think that Great Ball and Misty's Determination are good searchers, 'cause the first can only search for Basic Pokémon (I'm not running any big guy) and the second can only dig 8 cards in the deck (ok, it's pretty good). And what do you think about Golduck chain? The only purpose is remove a Special Energy?

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    Great Ball is any Pokémon, not just Basic. That said, yes, both are weak cards. Without a Sacred Ash to recover Pokémon, Sycamore may end up being overkill, but the best advice is to try it and see. Make changes according to your playstyle, see what works and what doesn't.
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    My fault, I read only the first textbox on Bulba and didn't realize that the card have erratas. Well, I'm downloading TCGO right now to test it too. I'll come back to comment if something relevant appears.

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    Strangely, though I remember making it, it seems I never posted the other double-deck/s.

    Two-Thirds of a Yardstick (Double-Battle Ruler)
    Pokémon: 16
    4 Zygarde
    2 Lucario
    4 Riolu
    2 Carbink
    4 Hawlucha
    4 Shuckle

    Trainers: 24
    2 Energy Pouch
    2 Pokémon Fan Club
    2 Potion
    4 Professor's Letter
    4 Shauna
    4 Switch
    4 Tierno
    2 Wally

    Energy: 20
    20 Fighting Energy

    I would almost prefer the other Carbink, the common with Safeguard, though that would not be too hard of a card to find and include. Most of the deck is simple, no-frills damage.

    Snakes In a Can (Double-Battle Ruler)
    Pokémon: 22
    2 Serperior
    4 Servine
    4 Snivy
    4 Wormadam
    4 Burmy
    4 Shuckle

    Trainers: 22
    2 Energy Pouch
    2 Pokémon Fan Club
    4 Professor's Letter
    4 Shauna
    4 Switch
    4 Tierno
    2 Wally

    Energy: 16
    16 Grass Energy

    Surprisingly, the other Servine provide a use in this deck, even if they can't evolve to Serperior, by activating their Ability. The deck begs for Forest of Giant Plants and other draw-acceleration, as well as Serperior's most potent partner, Ariados, for the dreaded Paralysis and Poison that was formerly handled by Accelgor in the Black and White format.
    Last edited by MegaVelocibot; 06/18/2016 at 02:05 PM.
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    A few decklists coming in, with strategies to be fleshed out later.

    Pokémon: 22
    4 Volcanion
    3 Klinklang
    4 Klang
    4 Klink
    3 Persian
    4 Meowth

    Trainers: 22
    4 Energy Retrieval
    2 Evosoda
    2 Ninja Boy
    2 Pokémon Center Lady
    4 Professor's Letter
    2 Shauna
    4 Tierno
    2 Ultra Ball

    Energy: 16
    6 Fire Energy
    10 Metal Energy

    _______________________

    Pokémon: 18
    4 Volcanion
    2 Pyroar
    4 Litleo
    4 Rapidash
    4 Ponyta

    Trainers: 24
    4 Energy Retrieval
    2 Evosoda
    4 Ninja Boy
    2 Pokémon Center Lady
    4 Professor's Letter
    2 Shauna
    4 Tierno
    2 Ultra Ball

    Energy: 18
    18 Fire Energy

    _______________________

    Pokémon: 22
    2 Galvantula
    4 Joltik
    4 Ampharos
    4 Flaaffy
    4 Mareep
    4 Hawlucha

    Trainers: 22
    4 Energy Retrieval
    2 Evosoda
    4 Ninja Boy
    4 Professor's Letter
    2 Shauna
    4 Tierno
    2 Ultra Ball

    Energy: 16
    16 Lightning Energy

    _______________________

    Pokémon: 22
    4 Hoopa
    4 Drifblim
    4 Drifloon
    3 Ambipom
    3 Aipom
    4 Hawlucha

    Trainers: 22
    4 Energy Retrieval
    2 Evosoda
    4 Ninja Boy
    4 Professor's Letter
    2 Shauna
    4 Tierno
    2 Ultra Ball

    Energy: 16
    16 Psychic Energy
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    Not so much a cheat sheet much like homework, I hope so as well, related to the new players

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    Hello! I've been reading this thread for quite a while and I think I am going to start playing the game. Of the two current decks (Gears of Fire and Ring of Lightning) which one do you believe has a better opportunity fighting standard decks? I am not completely sure if Ampharos ability to hit EX pokemon is better to try and fight other players considering I only plan to play a double theme deck.

    Thanks in advance!

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    I suppose that would depend on what the people around you play. My suggestion to new players at my League has generally been focused on the Fire-centric version of Volcanion (Gears of Fire), especially because of the upcoming Volcanion-EX and Magearna tins that more strongly benefit that theme deck. In the tests I have conducted with the Lightning double-deck against other double-decks (which lack EXs), the deck has worked decently, though it wishes for Energy acceleration and some additional Supporters, in the form of draw power and Lysandre. Even with four Ampharos in play, Lysandre feels like a must-have, to drag out less useful Pokemon while using the Ability to tap away at the Pokémon-EX.
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    With the Battle Arena Decks out and in full swing, I will first be providing coverage of some decks that can be made by purchasing two copies of this product; subsequently, this post will be updated with a "double-deck" made from a single product which contains two different decks. (Note that the contents of this post are for the Expanded 2016-2017 format of Black and White-onwards, unless otherwise noted.) As was the case with the Darkrai and Mewtwo Battle Arena Decks, even if you do not play Expanded, this deck contains many useful cards for the Standard (Primal Clash-onwards) format. The purchase is made better if there are people in your area you can trade with that do play such a format, and would thus be interested in trading for cards you might not use.

    [Expanded]
    Pokémon: 15
    4 Rayquaza-EX
    4 Eelektrik
    4 Tynamo
    1 Raichu
    1 Pikachu
    1 Keldeo-EX

    Trainers: 31
    4 Professor Sycamore
    4 N
    2 Professor Birch's Observations
    2 Lysandre
    2 Skyla
    1 Karen
    4 VS Seeker
    3 Ultra Ball
    4 Level Ball
    1 Float Stone
    1 Professor's Letter
    3 Skyarrow Bridge

    Energy: 14
    4 Fire
    10 Lightning


    Strategy: The strategy of this deck is rather narrowly focused, but strong if left unstopped. Eelectrik's Ability, which can be used once per Eelectrik in play per turn, allows for a Lightning Energy card to be attached to a Benched Pokemon. Rayquaza-EX should use its second attack, discarding all Lightning Energy, leaving it with one Fire Energy attached. Using Skyarrow Bridge to retreat for free (or Keldeo-EX and Float Stone if Skyarrow Bridge cannot be found to enter play, or to remove the Asleep or Paralyzed Status Conditions) allows an Active Rayquaza-EX to switch with a Benched Rayquaza-EX. Eelektrik can power up whichever Rayquaza-EX is on the Bench for another powerful attack, doing up to 240 damage per turn. While very strong, this strategy is vulnerable to Ability-lock cards, such as Hex Maniac, which significantly reduce how quickly Energy can be attached. Room for improvement would involve trading for Raikou, both the non-EX (1) and EX (2) variants, to replace the Raichu line and one Rayquaza-EX, in addition to the Ace Spec card Computer Search.

    [Standard]
    Pokémon: 16
    4 Raichu
    4 Pikachu
    2 Articuno
    2 Regice
    2 Octillery
    2 Remoraid

    Trainers: 32
    4 Professor Sycamore
    4 N
    2 Lysandre
    1 Fisherman
    1 Skyla
    1 Karen
    4 VS Seeker
    4 Ultra Ball
    4 Level Ball and/or Dive Ball
    2 Professor's Letter
    2 Switch and/or Escape Rope
    3 Rough Seas

    Energy: 12
    12 Water

    Strategy: Not fantastic, but functional. Raichu focuses as the primary attacker (using its first attack, due to a lack of Lightning Energy), with Regice and Articuno providing backup support. By finishing an opponent off with Articuno's second attack, you can claim an often-unexpected extra Prize card, thanks to its Ancient Trait.
    Last edited by MegaVelocibot; 10/09/2016 at 06:07 AM.
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    Fun news for such a long-running thread: it is about a thousand more views, at the time of this posting, from being the top-viewed thread in this subforum!

    I was able to get a copy of the Pikachu Power Theme Deck's list of cards, so here is a double-deck using those cards. Noteworthy is that a double-deck also gets you a 4-4-4 line of Beedrill to play around with, and a fun deck to start building around, if you have a set of Revitalizers and Forest of Giant Plants to play with.

    (Double Pikachu-Power)
    Pokémon: 18
    4 Pikachu
    4 Raichu
    2 Magneton
    4 Magnemite
    4 Electabuzz

    Trainers: 24
    2 Energy Retrieval
    2 Evosoda
    2 Poke Ball
    2 Pokemon Center Lady
    2 Pokemon Fan Club
    2 Professor Oak's Hint
    4 Professor's Letter
    2 Revive
    2 Switch
    4 Tierno

    Energy: 18
    18 Lightning Energy
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