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    Speculative BW: Dark Explorers Set List

    Based on the set announcement, and all outstanding Dark Rush, Reshiram/Zekrom Starter Decks, and promo cards that relate to the set, I have compiled a speculative list for Dark Explorers. Please let me know if I've missed anything, and I will keep this updated as cards are revealed.

    1. Bulbasaur no. 1
    2. Ivysaur no. 2
    3. Venusaur no. 3

    4. Scyther no. 123
    5. Carnivine no. 455
    6. Leafeon no. 470
    7. Dwebble no. 557
    8. Crustle no. 558
    9. Karrablast no. 588
    10. Shelmet no. 616
    11. Accelgor no. 617
    12. Flareon no. 136
    13. Entei EX

    14. Torchic no. 255
    15. Torchic no. 255
    16. Combusken no. 256
    17. Blaziken no. 257
    18. Torkoal
    19. Heatmor no. 631
    20. Larvesta no. 636
    21. Larvesta no. 636
    22. Volcarona no. 637
    23. Slowpoke no. 79
    24. Slowbro no. 80
    25. Vaporeon no. 134
    26. Kyogre EX

    27. Piplup no. 393
    28. Prinplup no. 394
    29. Empoleon no. 395
    30. Glaceon no. 471

    31. Tympole no. 535
    32. Palpitoad no. 536
    33. Ducklett no. 580
    34. Swanna no. 581
    35. Vanillite no. 582
    36. Vanillish no. 583
    37. Jolteon no. 135
    38. Raikou EX

    39. Joltik no. 595
    40. Joltik no. 595
    41. Galvantula no. 596
    42. Tynamo no. 602
    43. Tynamo no. 602
    44. Eelektik no. 603
    45. Eelektross no. 604
    46. Espeon no. 196
    47. Slowking no. 199
    48. Woobat no. 527
    49. Yamask no. 562
    50. Cofagrigus no. 563
    51. Elgyem
    52. Beheeyem
    53. Aerodactyl no. 142
    54. Groudon EX
    55. Drilbur no. 529
    56. Excadrill no. 530
    57. Excadrill no. 530
    58. Timburr no. 532
    59. Gurdurr no. 533
    60. Umbreon no. 197
    61. Umbreon no. 197
    62. Sableye no. 302
    63. Darkrai EX
    64. Sandile no. 551
    65. Krokorok no. 552
    66. Krookodile no. 553
    67. Scraggy no. 559

    68. Scrafty no. 560
    69. Zorua no. 570

    70. Zorua no. 570
    71. Zoroark no. 571
    72. Bisharp no. 625
    73. Vullaby no. 629

    74. Escavalier no. 589
    75. Klink no. 599
    76. Klang no. 600
    77. KlingKlang no. 601
    78. Pawniard no. 624
    79. Bisharp no. 625
    80. Chansey no. 111
    81. Chansey no. 111
    82. Blissey no. 242
    83. Eevee no. 133
    84. Eevee no. 133
    85. Eevee no. 133
    86. Chatot no. 441
    87. Lillipup no. 506
    88. Herdier no. 507
    89. Stoutland no. 508
    90. Tornadus EX
    91. Cheren
    92. Dark Claw
    93. Dark Patch

    94. Hammer Crash
    95. Hooligans Jimu and Sabu
    96. N
    97. Old Amber
    98. Professor Juniper
    99. Random Receiver
    100. Rare Candy
    101. Twist Mountain
    102. Ultra Ball
    103. Entei EX (FA)
    104. Kyogre EX (FA)
    105. Raikou EX (FA)
    106. Groudon EX (FA)
    107. Darkrai EX (FA)
    108. Tornadus EX (FA)
    109. Gardevoir (Shiny)
    110. Archeops (Shiny)
    111. Pokemon Catcher (Shiny)
    Last edited by vegitalian; 04/19/2012 at 03:44 PM.
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    Do we know it's /99 again? I'll laugh since it said "over 100" and it would be 99 non-secret again. Looks good to me otherwise.

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    I really don't think we'll get the Cheren, N, or Juniper reprints. I don't really have any good basis for this, it's just my feeling on the subject.
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    I have doubts that they'll put both of the Zekrom/Reshiram EX Deck Eevee cards into this set, mostly because they have the same attacks and the only difference is the picture. We also got Dark Rush's Swoobat and Mandibuzz already - they are the ones in Emerging Powers. There's only one Sandile/Krokorok in Japan that we haven't gotten in English yet, too - the promo versions are of the same cards in Dark Rush. Even the artwork is the same. Umbreon and Volcarona are alternate artwork reprints and they generally don't put those in the same English set as the originals, either.

    There are also a dozen cards from the Tornadus/Thundurus set that I think they'll put into Dark Explorers - they are Torchic, Torkoal, Vanillite, Vanillish, Joltik, Timburr, Gurdurr, Scraggy, Scrafty, Pawniard, Bisharp and Chatot.

    If you drop the Juniper, Cheren, N, Switch, Umbreon and Volcarona reprints, along with the Eevee, Sandile, Krokorok, Swoobat and Mandibuzz, that leaves just enough space to incorporate those 12 cards and still fit the "over 100 cards" line from the sell sheet. I hope since Lillipup is in Dark Rush, they'll add the lost Lillipup from the Battle Strength Decks into Dark Explorers, too...
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    The Swoobat has already seen English release, unless it's one I'm not aware of.

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    My prediction:
    -GRASS (1-11): Bulbasaur/Ivysaur/Venusaur, Scyther, Carnivine, Leafeon, Dwebble/Crustle, Karrablast, Shelmet, Accelgor
    -FIRE (12-21): Flareon, Torkoal, Torchic x2/Combusken/Blaziken, Heatmor, Larvesta x2/Volcarona
    -WATER (22-35): Slowpoke/Slowbro, Vaporeon, Kyogre-EX, Piplup/Prinplup/Empoleon, Glaceon, Tympole/Palpitoad, Ducklett/Swanna, Vanillite/Vanillish
    -LIGHTNING (36-46): Jolteon, Raikou-EX, Plusle, Minun, Joltik x2/Galvantula, Tynamo x2/Eelektrik/Eelektross
    -PSYCHIC (47-51): Espeon, Slowking, Woobat, Yamask, Cofagrigus
    -FIGHTING (52-58): Aerodactyl, Groudon-EX, Timburr/Gurdurr, Drilbur/Excadrill x2
    -DARKNESS (59-68): Umbreon, Sableye, Darkrai-EX, Sandile/Krokorok/Krookodile, Zorua x2/Zoroark, Vullaby
    -METAL (69-74): Escavalier, Klink/Klang/Klinklang, Pawniard/Bisharp
    -COLORLESS (75-85): Chansey x2/Blissey, Eevee x2, Chatot, Lillipup x2/Herdier/Stoutland, Tornadus-EX
    -TSS (86-94): Crash Hammer, Dark Patch, Darkness Claw, Hooligans (AKA Jimu/Sabu), Old Amber, Random Receiver, Rare Candy, Twist Mountain, Ultra Ball
    -EX FA (95-100): Entei, Kyogre, Raikou, Groudon, Darkrai, Tornadus
    -Shiny (101-103): Gardevoir, Archeops, Pokemon Catcher
    Last edited by Frost; 02/25/2012 at 08:57 PM. Reason: messed up numbering

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    83. Bad Team's Jimu and Sabu
    This still makes me mad every time I see it. Every other card based on something in the games is always called by it's localized name, except this one. (they're called "Hooligans Jim and Caz" in the American games)

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    I think it might be hard to determine what will be in this set as of now. Japan is getting more promo cards in March which includes some of the Pokemon in this set like Bulbasaur and Empoleon.

    http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upl...BWPromo125.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegitalian View Post
    83. Bad Team's Jimu and Sabu
    84. Cheren
    85. Crash Hammer
    86. Dark Patch
    87. Darkness Claw
    88. N
    89. Old Amber
    90. Professor Juniper
    91. Random Receiver
    92. Rare Candy
    93. Twist Mountain
    94. Ultra Ball
    I could be wrong, but I thought ALL supporters went before Items and whatnot. This could be wrong though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Piplup View Post
    I could be wrong, but I thought ALL supporters went before Items and whatnot. This could be wrong though.
    Nope. Trainers are sorted alphabetically whether they are item, supporter, or stadium. Look at the setlist for Noble Victories for confirmation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by espeon200 View Post
    Nope. Trainers are sorted alphabetically whether they are item, supporter, or stadium. Look at the setlist for Noble Victories for confirmation.
    Yup, just saw that. Just was a coincidence in NEX that that Cilan was first and the Stadiums last.

    (My face has seen nothing but NEX in sorting the past few days)

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    Via Maverick Nate/Bulbapedia:

    Umbreon - 60
    Darkrai-EX - 63
    Zoroark - 71

    In my list above, I had Umbreon 59, Darkrai-EX 61 and Zoroark 67... looks like we could be getting either some new cards or some early Dragon Blade/Blast cards! Although not very many, since Dark Rush + the Zekrom/Reshiram decks + the Tornadus/Thundurus gift set + Groudon-EX/Kyogre-EX and their full arts is 107 cards, although that is including the three shinies that will probably be secret rares again.

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    I've made several changes:

    • Fixed the list to align with the 3 revealed cards
    • Added Joltik and Torchic from the Tornadus Collection (since their lines are already going to be in the set, presumably)
    • Removed Mandibuzz
    • Added March promos
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    Quote Originally Posted by vegitalian View Post
    I've made several changes:

    • Fixed the list to align with the 3 revealed cards
    • Added Joltik and Torchic from the Tornadus Collection (since their lines are already going to be in the set, presumably)
    • Removed Mandibuzz
    • Added March promos
    The set is going to be out of 108, and the secret shiny cards will be above that: 109, 110, and 111.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick Nate View Post
    The set is going to be out of 108, and the secret shiny cards will be above that: 109, 110, and 111.
    Good call, sir! Edited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vegitalian View Post
    Good call, sir! Edited.
    What things did you add in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick Nate View Post
    What things did you add in?
    Pawniard, Bisharp, and Chatot (all from Tornadus box)

    ---------- Post added 03/15/2012 at 04:25 PM ----------

    With the release of the pack art, I've included Scraggy & Scrafty from the Thundurus 1/2 decks, and taken out the duplicates of Sandile/Krokorok since they're the same as the ones in Dark Rush.
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    Whoever called 108 cards in the set is a genius!

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    Quote Originally Posted by otarolgam View Post
    Whoever called 108 cards in the set is a genius!
    Thanks, I felt it was a solid number.
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    After reviewing the cards we know, I think vegitalian's current list will be pretty close to what we get, unless they slip in a couple of unrevealed BW-P promos or something. I keep trying to force Vanillite, Vanillish, Timburr and Gurdurr into the mix, but they would only fit if the BW-P Bulbasaur, Empoleon, Excadrill and Volcarona prints are removed.

    But speaking of Volcarona, I doubt it will be in the set twice. I know we had Pidove and Patrat that were reprints of BW1 cards in Emerging Powers, but have they ever included the same card twice in an English set, with the only difference being alternate artwork? So perhaps one of Bulbasaur/Empoleon/Excadrill will be BW promos and then there'd be enough room for Vanillite/ish or Timburr/Gurdurr.

    Two of the three Eevee cards have the same problem as Volcarona. A possible fix for Eevee would be to substitute in Battle Strength Lillipup, or BW-P reprint Bianca.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExoByte View Post
    Thanks, I felt it was a solid number.
    Now I feel like an idiot. xD

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    Is it possible to get the sets/decks listed that these cards come from, instead of pokedex number, because that is kind of a useless bit of info.

    And currently what you have is a wall of names some of which are multiples.

    It'd just make it easier to read/reference :) thanks
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    I took the list in the first post and added the Japanese sets/numbers:

    Quote Originally Posted by vegitalian
    1. Bulbasaur - Dark Rush 1
    2. Bulbasaur - BW-P Promo 124
    3. Ivysaur - Dark Rush 2
    4. Venusaur - Dark Rush 3
    5. Scyther - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 1
    6. Carnivine - Dark Rush 4
    7. Leafeon - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 2
    8. Dwebble - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 3
    9. Crustle - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 4
    10. Karrablast - Dark Rush 5
    11. Shelmet - Dark Rush 6
    12. Accelgor - Dark Rush 7
    13. Flareon - Dark Rush 8
    14. Entei EX - Dark Rush 9
    15. Torchic - Dark Rush 10
    16. Torchic - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 1
    17. Combusken - Dark Rush 11
    18. Blaziken - Dark Rush 12
    19. Torkoal - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 2
    20. Heatmor - Dark Rush 13
    21. Larvesta - Dark Rush 14
    22. Larvesta - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 3
    23. Volcarona - Dark Rush 15
    24. Volcarona - BW-P Promo 119
    25. Slowpoke - Dark Rush 16
    26. Slowbro - Dark Rush 17
    27. Vaporeon - Dark Rush 18
    28. Kyogre EX - Psycho Drive 15
    29. Piplup - Dark Rush 19
    30. Prinplup - Dark Rush 20
    31. Empoleon - Dark Rush 21
    32. Empoleon - BW-P Promo 125
    33. Glaceon - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 6
    34. Tympole - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 7
    35. Palpitoad - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 8
    36. Ducklett - Dark Rush 22
    37. Swanna - Dark Rush 23
    38. Jolteon - Dark Rush 24
    39. Raikou EX - Dark Rush 25
    40. Plusle - Dark Rush 26
    41. Minun - Dark Rush 27
    42. Joltik - Dark Rush 28
    43. Joltik - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 5
    44. Galvantula - Dark Rush 29
    45. Tynamo - Dark Rush 30
    46. Tynamo - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 8
    47. Eelektik - Dark Rush 31
    48. Eelektross - Dark Rush 32
    49. Espeon - Dark Rush 33
    50. Slowking - Dark Rush 34
    51. Woobat - Dark Rush 35
    52. Yamask - Dark Rush 37
    53. Cofagrigus - Dark Rush 38
    54. Elgyem - BW-P Promo 126
    55. Aerodactyl - Dark Rush 39
    56. Groudon EX - Hail Blizzard 32
    57. Drilbur - Dark Rush 40
    58. Excadrill - Dark Rush 41
    59. Excadrill - BW-P Promo 118
    60. Umbreon - Dark Rush 42
    61. Umbreon - BW-P Promo 115
    62. Sableye - Dark Rush 43
    63. Darkrai EX - Dark Rush 44
    64. Sandile - Dark Rush 45
    65. Krokorok - Dark Rush 46
    66. Krookodile - Dark Rush 47
    67. Scraggy - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 9
    68. Scrafty - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 10
    69. Zorua - Dark Rush 48
    70. Zorua - BW-P Promo 116
    71. Zoroark - Dark Rush 49
    72. Vullaby - Dark Rush 50
    73. Escavalier - Dark Rush 52
    74. Klink - Dark Rush 53
    75. Klang - Dark Rush 54
    76. Klingklang - Dark Rush 55
    77. Pawniard - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 11
    78. Bisharp - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 12
    79. Jigglypuff - BW-P Promo 127
    80. Chansey - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 9
    81. Chansey - Dark Rush 56
    82. Blisse - Dark Rush 57
    83. Eevee - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 10
    84. Eevee - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 10
    85. Eevee - Dark Rush 58
    86. Chatot - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 13
    87. Lillipup - Dark Rush 59
    88. Herdier - Dark Rush 60
    89. Stoutland - Dark Rush 61
    90. Tornadus EX - Dark Rush 62
    91. Chere - Zekrom/Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Decks 17
    92. Crash Hammer - Dark Rush 63
    93. Dark Patch - Dark Rush 64
    94. Darkness Claw - Dark Rush 67
    95. Hooligans Jim and Cas - Dark Rush 68
    96. N - Zekrom/Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Decks 16
    97. Old Amber - Dark Rush 66
    98. Professor Juniper - Zekrom/Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Decks 15
    99. Random Receiver - Zekrom/Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Decks 14
    100. Rare Candy - Dark Rush 65
    101. Twist Mountain - Dark Rush 69
    102. Ultra Ball - Zekrom/Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Decks 11
    103. Entei EX (FA) - Dark Rush 70
    104. Kyogre EX (FA) - Psycho Drive 54
    105. Raikou EX (FA) - Dark Rush 71
    106. Groudon EX (FA) - Hail Blizzard 54
    107. Darkrai EX (FA) - Dark Rush 72
    108. Tornadus EX (FA) - Dark Rush 73
    109. Gardevoir (Shiny) - Dark Rush 74
    110. Archeops (Shiny) - Dark Rush 75
    111. Pokemon Catcher (Shiny) - Dark Rush 76

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    Very much appreciated, thank you

    Though I find it unlikely N, Juniper and Cheren will be reprinted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_the_Turtle View Post
    Very much appreciated, thank you

    Though I find it unlikely N, Juniper and Cheren will be reprinted...
    If anything, I'll think they'll save them for the next useless reprint set.


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