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    Is this legit?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/drowzee-49-1...#ht_500wt_1219

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    I have never seen any of these. Maybe it is. Maybe it is not. I wish he posted the back picture. Also you are not allowed to post ebay links on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokeplayer101 View Post
    I have never seen any of these. Maybe it is. Maybe it is not. I wish he posted the back picture. Also you are not allowed to post ebay links on here.
    You know, you aren't allowed to post useless posts either. (I'm told it is called spam) Saying that it could be or might not be as an excuse to mini-mod is useless. Let the mods mod and post if we know something about the item in question.


    That aside, as for the card, the edges on the picture look off to me. To me, the white almost looks inconsistent in shade. I really do think this is not quite right, but other people that know more about WOTC era errors may be able to shed a brighter light on the subject.


    Edit:Apparently I mixed my terms there, per PokePop's post.
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    You can't do an "acetone fake" on a non holo card.

    I'd have to see the card in person to tell if it's real or not.
    Never heard of this "error".
    If it's real, more likely to be a test card than an error.
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    This guy's feed back isn't very reassuring.
    He has a bunch of removed negatives ratings (I didn't even know eBay could do that), and even then he's only 94%, and if they aren't removed, he has retorts explaining why this buyer is a crook, and some of them are straight up weird...
    Suspicious, to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokePop View Post
    You can't do an "acetone fake" on a non holo card.
    Actually you can - I've tried it. But you have to be extremely careful or else you rub through the white layer onto the blue back and just screw up your card (I ended up with a big hole :P). But, I've noticed the acetone trick only works on D&P-on cards (well at least for holo cards, not sure about non-holo).



    Anyways, I really don't think this is a legit card. It's too perfect of an error. I believe that the main image was printed at the same time as most of the card, so I don't think this is a possible error - and if it was, we would have already seen something like it.
    I'm with PokePop on saying it is a test card. It makes sense: they were testing printing stages, seeing if they could print all of the card but the image or something of the sort.

    But even still, the card just doesn't seem right to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelum View Post
    Actually you can - I've tried it. But you have to be extremely careful or else you rub through the white layer onto the blue back and just screw up your card (I ended up with a big hole :P). But, I've noticed the acetone trick only works on D&P-on cards (well at least for holo cards, not sure about non-holo).
    You've tried it and reference a failed attempt.
    Have you had a successful one?
    I would tend to doubt it without there being evidence of the tampering.
    The paper layers just aren't resistant enough to the acetone and the rubbing to do it without it being evident, I would think.
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    Did this in 20 seconds with a very concentrated, and volatile so it would evaporate before penetrating deeper than a layer at a time, acetone. Possible? Sure, given enough time and the right tools a non holo fake could be produced with practically no evidence of tampering. However, to spend that much time using a method such as this I would think the seller would be asking a LOT more than what they were.

    Most likely counterfeit produced that way imo.

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    Sorry Wayne, but that's not a test.
    I still believe that if you had continued, taking time in between efforts to reduce damage as much as possible, that you'd still wind up with a damaged card.
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    Acetone doesn't eat through cards....it's a solvent that dissolves the ink on top of the card stock and allows it to be transferred to another medium. The heavy rubbing with a large amount of a liquid on your card is what's going to damage the card. Small amounts of concentrated acetone and gentle rubbing will do the trick. You certainly CAN do it.

    Tilt your computer screen and look at the way the pixels are in the white space. Note repetitive patterns and questionable pixelated parts. The card might have been edited on paint.

    ---------- Post added 08/03/2012 at 02:52 PM ----------

    Here's my quick test, this was my FIRST try and I didn't even bother with the edges. Proof that it can be done, the card is not damaged whatsoever

    Front: http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/...0803-01390.jpg

    Back: http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/...0803-01391.jpg
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    You just saved me some time. Thank you! I was about to get on finishing the job now I'm home from work!
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    OK, I stand corrected!
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    Honestly, I'm not convinced that this was done with acetone. However, the borders do look uneven and it is possible as demonstrated by cbd. Whether it was or not though, I don't for a second think this is authentic. Looks almost like a piece of paper cut out and put over the illustration haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarxForever View Post
    he has retorts explaining why this buyer is a crook, and some of them are straight up weird...
    Suspicious, to say the least.
    Negative Review: "poor packaging. Seller strange. does not want to return the money."

    Reply: "buyer thanked me when art arrived then ate the picture and refuses to return ite"

    Weird is putting it lightly!

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    wow over $40 already
    how high you think is it gonna go?

    edit- um guys, when it comes to test cards i have a valued opinion considering what i own. I honestly think its NOT a test card. Because when a card is completely blank its white (either white with borders or white without borders)

    Anything involving detail or illustration as on the test sheet its gold before anything is applied to it.

    The evolution box is gold, the height weight information is gold. Myself and pokepop talked about this a few weeks ago about the Chinese pokemon cards with gold blocks in the illustration.
    The gold box/border around the illustration proves to me at some point BEFORE drowzee is on it the entire box has to be gold at some point.

    When they apply the evolution picture we have whats left of the gold box with those spikes going around the evolution picture.
    With the height/weight we have the gold image from whats left after the text is written inside of it.

    I and I'm sure some of you would agree that the gold border around the illustration would indicate the entire box gold at one point before drowzee is printed on it.

    especially since those Chinese cards was a give away indication of that theory when they had left over gold blocks on them.

    Considering the height and weight is completed, all the energy symbols are there.
    And everything else is completed. I Would Highly doubt for any reason why the illustration would still be white.
    It is near completed finish and the illustration is gone. A test card IF it was gold. Seeing how it's white it would seriously doubt that that card made it all the way to this point and still have white in it.
    Last edited by crazypokemon; 08/04/2012 at 06:09 AM. Reason: adding my opinion
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    It just ended over $100.
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    How in the h... did this happen.
    (everyone on pokegym races to get acetone and pokemon cards)

    Im sure theres gonna be more like this now thats happend.
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    Is it just me or are these "blanks" popping up more and more? And it stands to reason, that if you're actually erasing parts of the card yourself, of course you're going to try and make it look as interesting as possible, go for the "Wow" factor. Needless to say I suspect this particular image is shopped, and a new negative will appear on this guys profile very soon. In which event, he flaps his arms, and smash his face against the keyboard, until eBay apparently removes it.
    Seriously, who would buy from this guy?

    Out of curiosity. Did anyone report their suspicions to eBay?

    Quote Originally Posted by raichuforyou View Post
    It just ended over $100.
    Well, the power bill is a little behind.
    Guess I'll get some acetone.
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    Opinion changed!!! I contacted the seller, and he listed another for me BIN. It was of another character, but still from the shadowless Base set. The picture he posted for me showed the gloss over the white box (which IS lost with the acetone process). I think these may be legit.

    Given that, and if they are real, what would a test print card like this be worth. IIRC, these were a very small run and supposedly all destroyed.
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    You can make the picture of the card look glossy. WIth todays tech. anyone can do that to better sell a card.

    I still would not trust it.
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    That's awesome waynegg! I would love to see some pictures when you get it, my card lost gloss with my test above. Not that this is conclusive, but we'll know for sure as soon as you get your card.

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    There was a Ghastly just like the Drowsee that sold for more than $150 on ebay today as well.
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    Well if acetone took off the gloss, couldn't you just add gloss back on. There are thing to give it a glossy look.
    I'm still suspicious of this
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    let me know when you get it if the finish looks right
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    Quote Originally Posted by waynegg View Post
    Opinion changed!!! I contacted the seller, and he listed another for me BIN. It was of another character, but still from the shadowless Base set. The picture he posted for me showed the gloss over the white box (which IS lost with the acetone process). I think these may be legit.

    Given that, and if they are real, what would a test print card like this be worth. IIRC, these were a very small run and supposedly all destroyed.
    Did he happen to mention how he obtained them?
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