HGSS Decks.

[Deoxys Cool Form]

Ok, what decks are out in HGSS? From game changing decks, to not so good decks, I want to hear them all.

Good Decks:

Average decks:

[mrdraz07]

Do u mean brand new decks from HGSS? or just decks that r good for HGSS meta?

Good decks:
Donphan
Gatr variants
SP variants
Gyarados
(these r all tier 1 imo, plz don't hurt me)

Average decks:
any formerly unusable Pokemon with DCE in it's attack cost

[Arcanite]

Great:

Feraligatr: Raindance
Great Donkphan (Deliberate)
Charizard Arceus with Nine/phlosion Engine/ Energy Accel
Amphytric?

Not so great:

Arcanine HGSS - Twice as Good as Arcanine SV

[Kayle]

Charizard and Donphan are going to be the scariest decks to come out of the set. 'Gatr, I don't know enough about the meta and water cards to decide. It doesn't seem like there's a whole lot that can work well with it and truly use it to its full advantage - MAYBE Blastoise? - so we will see.

Jumpluff has potential but I doubt it will make it too far. Sure, it could T2 120 - but if you Playground against a Charizard deck?... GAME OVER!

[ashinto]

also w/ playground, your opponent doesn't have to fill there bench, so if u see the pichu, you're most likely going to be playing jumpluff so just stop right there and get nothing (that and if u don't g the pichu, even w/ it's body, it can still get knocked out by a shadow room). i see donphan, charizard, and gatr being new decks, as SP, flygon (which just goes from rawr-ubersmech w/ DCE), gengar (can't seem to get rid of this guy), glictomb (iffy, but it may stay due to the lock still being good) will be staying.

[JPN Gallade]

Don't forget about Gardy/Gallade decks and Flygon. They'll really favor DCE, and Flygon may become more popular, while GG could make a comeback.

Feraligatr may depend. If Donphan becomes too popular (since obviously, it will really be played), then maybe Gatr could become a deck, much like what is happening in Japan right now.

[Hatter™]

Kayle - Use the new Metapod to stop Weakness.

I am not sure what will be the best.. but some fun ones will be:
-Adding Dunsparce in Shuppay.
-Blissey
-Snorlax X
-Arceus
-Machamp [For Rage]

[Kayle]

Weakness isn't the problem, it's just "Oh hey, you set up my T2 Fire Wing for 80+20 for belt = KO! =D"

[Cetra]

Originally Posted by Hatter™

Kayle - Use the new Metapod to stop Weakness.

I am not sure what will be the best.. but some fun ones will be:
-Adding Dunsparce in Shuppay.
-Blissey
-Snorlax X
-Arceus
-Machamp [For Rage]

I plan to rebuilt Arceus as soon as this set comes out. So many cards help out it's ridiculous...and my Arceus was ridiculous BEFORE.

[dave321]

I'm really excited because I think HGSS' DCE alone will bump Gardy and Gallade back up to their former glory... which is exciting to me because I currently run a gardevoir variant so it will be easy to change when it comes out.

DCE does awesome stuff for Flygon too so I think that'll also become even /more/ popular.

I heard a lot of talk about different Fire/Water decks thanks to Feraligatr Prime + Ninetales. Charizard and Typhlosion were among the fire ones and both sound pretty good, and for water I have heard of a lot of different pairings... the scariest appear to be Lumineon and Blastoise though there are very likely some I haven't seen.

That Pichu deck sounds like nothing more than a league deck so... that's all I have to say about it.

I think SP will still run rampant because if there is enough Fealigatr interest (which we all know there is) Luxray GL will have nothing at all to worry himself about.

I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking about that could appear, but as for existing decks I think they'll largely stay the same... maybe decrease in popularity but be pretty much as effective... unforseen circumstances barred anyways. (PS to whoever said gyarados was top tier... it's not really the best deck anymore, in my opinion anyways, and I can't think of any cards that will change this in HGSS? or is there something I'm missing?)

[Shadow Zangoose]

Originally Posted by dave321

II think SP will still run rampant because if there is enough Fealigatr interest (which we all know there is) Luxray GL will have nothing at all to worry himself about.

Too bad Feraligatr is weak to Grass, huh?

[Ignatious]

Originally Posted by Shadow Zangoose

Too bad Feraligatr is weak to Grass, huh?

Haha. Luxray smashes it either way. He pulls up Claydol and KOs it. Afterwards, setting up for any Stage two deck is difficult, but this deck hurts even more so due to needing so many energy, and setting up two different stage twos. Great Feraligator (for the power), and Feraligator (for attacking).

Luxray beats A LOT of decks that are not weak to it.

[dave321]

Originally Posted by Shadow Zangoose

Too bad Feraligatr is weak to Grass, huh?

HOHOHOHO. Sweet!

Originally Posted by Ignatious

Haha. Luxray smashes it either way. He pulls up Claydol and KOs it. Afterwards, setting up for any Stage two deck is difficult, but this deck hurts even more so due to needing so many energy, and setting up two different stage twos. Great Feraligator (for the power), and Feraligator (for attacking).

Luxray beats A LOT of decks that are not weak to it.

Also, ^ if you are wise you would not use a second feraligatr to attack. I think lumineon is best myself since it is a minimal risk and if you can collect enough energy in your hand you're pretty well off. Granted there are lookers, etc. but few run more than perhaps 1 and its not hard for feraligatr to get more energy. plus, it has a bright look of its own for most major threats (it can pull up anything with 100 hp or more). I would probably run 4-3 lumineon and 2-2 feraligatr if it was me, too, and 4 NM... so the lumineons, my low-risk attackers would swarm. Kill feraligatr and i might be in trouble for a couple turns but again, weak to grass and id probably want to tech around something like that anyways. i'm not sure i would even need to run claydol if I played it right. if i did it wouldnt be a central focus by any means.

[Ignatious]

Donphan
BlazeRay
Dialga
Charizard
Kingdra
Gengar
GG
Garchomp C

[Ignatious]

Originally Posted by Ignatious

Donphan
BlazeRay
Dialga
Charizard
Kingdra
Gengar
GG
Garchomp C

I have changed my mind. Charizard and Kingdra won't be good, and Gyarados will. Iffy on GG, Dialga, and Gengar.

Blazeray will stay good. It has a newly introduced counter, Donphan, but still remains with positive match ups against everything it used to. It has amazing disruption potential with decent type coverage as well. It also has amazing techability and speed. Definitely still a tier 1 deck.

Garchomp with techs will be fantastic as well. Amazing argo abilities with CC and prize negation effectively built in. (unlike Blaze). Can tech for specific match ups extremely easily, considering its energy cost. It will be hard to out play this contender.

Donphan will be seen, as it is a solid counter to last format's bdif; BlazeRay. It has great potential for early KOs and great healing game as well. Lacks disruption and techability, so losing to water is almost a given.

Gyarados increased its speed and consistency considerably, along with gaining new match ups like Donphan and Charizard. It's worst match up; Luxray, now has a solid counter as well. Gyarados is sure to make a showing in this format.

Palkia Lock is also now fantastic. Fetching multiple basics is simply awesome. Also CC energy allows for much easier 80 snipes, improving the deck from its already high mantle point. As above, Luxray did get a bad match up as well.

I would definitely say those are the top decks. Like I said before, Dialga, GG, and Gengar may be included as well, but I haven't seen them adapt to the new meta like the rest.

[Lloyd]

Originally Posted by Ignatious

Donphan will be seen, as it is a solid counter to last format's bdif; BlazeRay. It has great potential for early KOs and great healing game as well. Lacks disruption and techability, so losing to water is almost a given.

I don't think so. Donphan can OHKO only Luxray..(that can be used only for its power).

Also I have my doubts about donphan as BDIF or one of BDIF, because It sucks against kingdra, gyarados, feraligatr decks....maybe with a tech of exploud.

[Ignatious]

Originally Posted by Lloyd

I don't think so. Donphan can OHKO only Luxray..(that can be used only for its power).

Also I have my doubts about donphan as BDIF or one of BDIF, because It sucks against kingdra, gyarados, feraligatr decks....maybe with a tech of exploud.

Donphan OHKOs both. At any point in the game Blaze uses Jet Shoot, Donphan WILL KO it. What kind of damage can be done like that? The only means of attack the deck can safely make is Luring flame Blissys or Claydols. There are answers for those as well.

Kingdra won't be good, it will never be as long as disruption exists and right now, it's peaking. Feraligatr decks are also very vulnerable to disruption, and takes a lot to get going.

Definitely right about Gyarados though. The deck is fantastic.

[Lloyd]

Originally Posted by Ignatious

Donphan OHKOs both. At any point in the game Blaze uses Jet Shoot, Donphan WILL KO it. What kind of damage can be done like that? The only means of attack the deck can safely make is Luring flame Blissys or Claydols. There are answers for those as well.

Blaziken X 110 HP

Donphan with one fightning, 60 damage + 40 (jet shoot) = 100 damage.

Needs Crobat or Expert belt...

[mrdraz07]

Dave, u missed Pokemon Collector. Grabbing 3 Karps in 1 supporter makes the deck a turn faster. And it's one of the few water types that OHKOs Donphan and resists it.
Therefore. If Banette was the counter to GG a couple formats back, then Gyarados is the same to Donphan. If Donphan is the BDIF of course.
Just speculation tho...

[Ignatious]

Every time Lumineon would attack, that would make for a prize. There is Power Spray and Leveling up to counter Lumineon's Power. Feraligator is the easiest option to set up against Lux due to the double versatility in evolving, and it isn't weak to lightning. I highly doubt any build of Feraligator could stand up to LuxBlaze or LuxComp.

[Lloyd]

What do you think about Flygon after HGSS?
It could be a nice deck?
At this moment , Flygon is not really played..Gengar curse and Garchomp C / Dialga G are very difficult match-up for him.
With DCE can be return to be one of the most played deck...or not?

[TOYBOX]

great:

LuxChomp
Flygon
Palkia Variants
Gyarados


good:

Donny
Gatr
GG
Blazeray
Other Stuff

[TheGeneral]

Originally Posted by Lloyd

What do you think about Flygon after HGSS?
It could be a nice deck?
At this moment , Flygon is not really played..Gengar curse and Garchomp C / Dialga G are very difficult match-up for him.
With DCE can be return to be one of the most played deck...or not?

T2 Flygon X fully powered? Yes please

[Lloyd]

Originally Posted by TheGeneral

T2 Flygon X fully powered? Yes please

Yes but , with HGSS level X will less played...so, Flygon's Xtreme attack is more useless. And Flygon X is good for its attack (also for the body, but more for the attack). In general Flygon deck is good for Flygon X's attack or not?

[cmak37]

Originally Posted by Lloyd

Yes but , with HGSS level X will less played...so, Flygon's Xtreme attack is more useless. And Flygon X is good for its attack (also for the body, but more for the attack). In general Flygon deck is good for Flygon X's attack or not?

Umm no, not typically. The body is what really makes the deck shine and the attack is usually just a bonus IMO.