Posted this on 6P however look what I wrote:

[Darkmot]

Hello,
probably the least of you know who I am.
Let me introduce me to you.
I am Filipp and my favorite Pokemoncard in the HGSS-on Format is definitly Magnezone and there's one big reason therefor:
It is consistent and can OHKO everything.

This is was makes this card so good and can probably soon get a contender of one of the best decks in Format.
At this point I want to show you my new idea about Magnezone, because the old ones like MegaZone or Embozone won't work that good anymore from now on, with cards like Vanilluxe and Eviolite in our Decks.

As the Title of the thread already shows you, the deck is called TZME.
You'll probably think it's a Joke, but the name's the first step to a combination of the two (and I really believe in that) best decks in Format: ZPST and MegaZone

Now there it wouldn't make much sence to just combine them as they were played before Noble Victories, because there's a card in this set, that makes it possible from now on: Elektrik.

He's going to have a big role in the next Regional Tournaments, because he gives ZPST a late game.
However with N in Format I think, that it would be naive to think, that a fast deck like ZPST(E) will survive anylonger.
Better players will realize, that N is going to be a huge threat for every deck, that doesn't have a built-in drawpower like Ninetales or Magnezone or whatever.

Now Magnezone as the big thing, that OHKOs everything, actually has the best drawpower in Format and is supercompatible with Tornadus and Zekrom.

Now lets come to the list. If got a little snippet from my list for you, just to show you what I mean:

TZME

Pokemon – 21

1 Cleffa
1 Shaymin
1 Pachirisu
2 Elektrik
3 Tynamo
2 Tornadus
2 Zekrom
3 Magnezone
2 Magneton
4 Magnemite

Trainer - xx
xxx

Energy - xx
xxx

I hope, that it's reasonable for you, that I don't want to show you my whole list, it should definitly be a secret.

What do we get if we play this deck?
Well we've got speed (Zekrom) and disruption (Catcher, N, etc.) an finally consistency (Magnezone), what would be everything a deck needs to do well in a tournament.

I am going to write a little bit about the Match-ups later, as I have to test a little bit more yet, but the only existing hard Match-Up would be a Donphandeck with Catcher, although it would be winable due to TZME's speed.

I hope you liked my little article about my idea,
and please give me some feedback.

Filipp.

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However I am not trying to impress you with this new deck, although it could be a really good choice for Regionals....

What I really want to tell you is, why you should think again about your choice for Regionals.
On 6P I read some articles from the better players and I have to say, that many of them are just trash (not trying to attack those players, but I don't really think they thought alot about the impact of Noble Victories on the format).
While everybody of them showed us how the old decks would work nobody showed us, how the new decks would make it impossible for most old decks to exist.

I am not going to write about it now, just give you a little sentence, that should change alot:

N is watching you and your consistency is broken.

Cheers,
let's see how you react.

[cabd]

I'd advise removing your references to 6P from this, the mods dislike cross-posting here. Also, you're gonna probably get made fun of for not showing your tss/energy lines.

Just a warning, from somebody infracted for the same thing long ago.

[ogremarauder]

How do you expect any constructive comments without a full or at least almost full list? If you want to keep some super secret tech in the bag, then just list everything else exept for those 1-3 cards. And regionals won't involve NV cards so the second part won't matter until cities start.

[baby mario]

Be fair guys, he gave you the Pokemon line up for the deck. Wouldn't take too much work to come up with some kind of Trainer/Energy line. This isn't the deck help forum . . . a lot of ideas that are more vague than this get good discussion here. Posting about the Cities meta is fine too.

N, and ways of dealing with N are going to be a huge issue. No harm in thinking about it now.

[ogremarauder]

He was making a reference to N being a reason to rethink your regionals play. That is completely wrong. AFTER regionals, many old decks will fall short, due to stuff like N, and druddigon, ect... as far as his deck goes, I see the full line of juniper/sages, rare candies, blah blah..., and I wasn't aware it came from somewhere other than the deck-help. It would be alot easier to comment constructively on if it was a deck thread imo. I do feel that the portion he posted can be a consistent deck with Donphan being mitigated due to the rise in popularity of water types. I'd still try to work in a water tech just is case though.

[Darkmot]

It's awesome that my idea of making ou rethink everything works.
This is going to let everything shine in a total new light.^^

(btw I am sure Babymario understands what I mean ;D)
However think more people!

---------- Post added 11/09/2011 at 06:49 PM ----------

Oh and another thing, you guys don't need the full decklist. I am definitly not supporting netdecking in this case.
However the idea counts, not the list.

[ajhawk]

Wow...

OK, look the articles that you are referring to are meant for REGIONALS. Guess what. NV isn't legal for regionals. So, no one is focused on what N is going to do to the format until after then. Those articles are not crap, they are just simply focusing on what is important RIGHT NOW.

As for your deck idea, meh...

The 1/1 Pachirisu/Shaymin line is not enough to be consistent to have that opening speed that makes ZPST deadly. Then once you do use them, you have to rely on the Elektrik for energy acceleration. Say Hello to Catcher my friend. Then have a fun time manually powering up Magnezone and Zekrom manually.

Furthermore, N will be important, but the format is not the same as when Admin was here. We now have Magnezone to completely nullify N's use. The most popular deck in the format (and it's not going to go away with Kyurem, I promise you that), has access to the second best draw engine in Ninetales, which means that roughly 20 cards in the deck are essentially "draw" cards. If you are waiting till late game to hit a crippling N, the deck will be thinned out and it will not be that big of a stretch to get drawing again. Even if it doesn't land a draw card, the deck runs just fine with a zero card hand after a couple Typhlosions are set up. I also seem to remember this crazy stadium. Oh yeah Tropical Beach nullifies N. Then we have the searchable draw support in Cleffa.

There are plenty of ways that this format will be able to recover from N. It will have an effect, but I highly doubt that it will cripple decks like it used to.

Anyway, if you really want to have a deck that can take advantage of N as well as Zekrom and Magnezon, go with Electrode over Elektrik. It is more versatile. It can load more energy at once. And it allows you to abuse N and Twins...

It's not that the great writers of the articles (or even the FP writers) have not considered the set as you claim, it is that we have more important things to discuss right now.

[baby mario]

There are no Regionals in Europe so at least some readers will be focused on Cities. Let's not forget that. There's also plenty of discussion of NV cards on here (and every other Pokemon site) so I don't know why this wouldn't be a legit topic right now.

Not every Typhlosion (seeing as you brought it up. Again) runs Ninetales. That may change when N is released. That is the kind of discussion that I suspect this thread was meant to generate.

Darkmot wasn't overly tactful (as usual), but let's try and rise above that. Going into 'hurt' mode is only going to make this thread a sad and tedious little flame war instead of a potentially useful discussion on how N will affect the format.

[ajhawk]

Originally Posted by baby mario

Not every Typhlosion (seeing as you brought it up. Again) runs Ninetales. That may change when N is released. That is the kind of discussion that I suspect this thread was meant to generate.

1) I don't only post about tyRam.
2) I also didn't say that all tyRam runs Ninetales. I merely said that it has access to Ninetales. Don't put words in my mouth.
3) As per tyRam, I offered a second reason why it won't be greatly effected by N. So, my argument, with regards to tyRam, was not even limited by the Ninetales discussion. Yet, you pick up on it like it was.
4) If you want to have a discussion about N, tyRam is naturally going to come up because of it's place in the meta. You respond like it was a bad thing that I brought it up. Anyway, I also brought up Magnezone, Tropical Beach, and Cleffa, but you seem to ignore that.

---------- Post added 11/09/2011 at 03:39 PM ----------

And for flame wars, of course I like 6P. It's been better to me than any other Pokemon site. So, yes, I am going to defend it when people make ridiculous statements about the articles (especially the UG ones) being "trash."

Furthermore, I understand that non-US players don't have Regionals. However, we do. We are the largest player base. So, no offense, but it makes perfect since for all of the articles to be about US Regionals. That's just the nature of the business.

I'm sure after Regionals there will be plenty of articles about NV and it's interaction with the meta.

[baby mario]

Originally Posted by ajhawk

1) I don't only post about tyRam.

Ah, my apologies. Must be my skewed perception.

2) I also didn't say that all tyRam runs Ninetales. I merely said that it has access to Ninetales. Don't put words in my mouth.

I didn't say that you said that.

3) As per tyRam, I offered a second reason why it won't be greatly effected by N. So, my argument, with regards to tyRam, was not even limited by the Ninetales discussion. Yet, you pick up on it like it was.

You're being over sensitive as usual.

4) If you want to have a discussion about N, tyRam is naturally going to come up because of it's place in the meta. You respond like it was a bad thing that I brought it up. Anyway, I also brought up Magnezone, Tropical Beach, and Cleffa, but you seem to ignore that.

I didn't say it was a bad thing. I indicated that it was a frequent thing. There is a difference.

And for flame wars, of course I like 6P. It's been better to me than any other Pokemon site. So, yes, I am going to defend it when people make ridiculous statements about the articles (especially the UG ones) being "trash."

6P doesn't need people white knighting it. Just pointless. Just causes off topic posts and flame wars.

Furthermore, I understand that non-US players don't have Regionals. However, we do. We are the largest player base. So, no offense, but it makes perfect since for all of the articles to be about US Regionals. That's just the nature of the business.

So, Pokemon sites should only publish articles that cater to the 'largest player base' or it will hurt their 'business'?

I'm sure after Regionals there will be plenty of articles about NV and it's interaction with the meta.

Good to know. You had me worried for a minute.

Seriously. Relax. Don't take everything related to Reshiphlosion and/or 6P personally. It's almost never meant that way.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

[vegitalian]

I would like to reiterate that NV is not legal for Regionals...

If N is watching you, call a judge over.

[iLifeless]

Originally Posted by baby mario

There are no Regionals in Europe so at least some readers will be focused on Cities. Let's not forget that. There's also plenty of discussion of NV cards on here (and every other Pokemon site) so I don't know why this wouldn't be a legit topic right now.

Not every Typhlosion (seeing as you brought it up. Again) runs Ninetales. That may change when N is released. That is the kind of discussion that I suspect this thread was meant to generate.

Darkmot wasn't overly tactful (as usual), but let's try and rise above that. Going into 'hurt' mode is only going to make this thread a sad and tedious little flame war instead of a potentially useful discussion on how N will affect the format.

There ARE regionals in Europe. however not as heavy prize supported as in the US.
Also there are regionals with HS-NV formats (German and dutch ones as far as i know)

[ogremarauder]

Now I'm confused. Is this a thread about his deck, or how N will impact the upcoming format?.......

[Darkmot]

@Baby Mario: That's the way EVERYBODY understands it, thinks about and doesn't start to post to discuss, because it would be nonsense to discuss about, because there would be just a few right answers, which many don't accept and wha wha. however that's what I am trying to say too with threads like this, although they're looking untactful rude and like a flame. ;D
BUT it works, as it does what it is meant to do.
Filipp.

---------- Post added 11/09/2011 at 08:14 PM ----------

Originally Posted by ogremarauder

Now I'm confused. Is this a thread about his deck, or how N will impact the upcoming format?.......

both obviously ;D and more of something you should think about at least....

[baby mario]

I dunno what goes on in Darkmot's head. I took it as a discussion of N wiith a suggestion of how Magnezone might be played more in order to negate its importance.

I bet if Darkmot had just done this . . .

Hey guys do you think Magnezone will get more expensive cos everyone will play N?

No-one would have a problem. But what he posted was actually more constructive than that (minus the snide remarks about 6P authors).

[Darkmot]

Oh didn't try to do that in any way, just wanted to make everybody think about it before discussing it.
Is more effective in the end.

[Darkmot]

like
.............xD
Still nobody got the theme of thist thread xD
However let's talk about N's impact and why TyRam is far away from being BDIF yet.

[Jason]

Lanturn Prime.

Better than Zekrom and Tornadus.

'nuff said.

[Rambo]

Stop disregarding N just because it won't be legal in your area, your area isn't the only one that matters.
The thread was started by someone that's European..

[Elite_4_Allen]

I really like this deck and I think i'm going to play it for at least one city championship, thanks for the idea!

[Excalibar]

Okay, a guy opens up a thread and posts a deck idea to help the general public, and so far all I've seen are a bunch of posts involving arguments, the European tournament structure, and irrelevant question not even pertaining to the deck partially posted. Did this section go from Strategy and Rulings Discussion to People Looking for Arguments??? Come on people, look at the deck, then look at each others posts. Don't waste time by looking for a fight. If that's what you want, the PM hate mail to each other. My two cents worth.

[Rambo]

Funny how you've posted something irrelevant to the topic also Excalibar :P

I would try and get the pokemon lines more consistent in there, at least the elektrik to a 3-3, just because of the fact it's catcher bait. Although it looks like a solid skeleton list.

[Darkmot]

Hmh I think that 3-2 Elektrik is fine, because you should run 1 Super Rod in this deck and if you play smart it should be pretty easy to always have 1 in game or if you need it.

---------- Post added 11/11/2011 at 08:37 PM ----------

However after testings I removed the Pachirisu and went for this list: (yes now I am posting it... the thread needs something to work with....)

Pokemon - 20

1 Cleffa
1 Shaymin
3 Tornadus
1 Zekrom
2 Elektrik
3 Tynamo
3 Magnezone
2 Magneton
4 Magnemite

Trainer - 26

4 Pokemon Collector
1 Professor Oak's New Theory
2 N
3 Professor Juniper
4 Junk Arm
3 Pokemon Catcher
1 Eviolite
1 Super Rod
3 Rare Candy
4 Pokemon Communication

4 Double Colorless
10 Lightning
=14

After some testings I can say that this deck is far away from being autopilot and it is pretty hard to play as you have to think alot, however it works quite nice.

[Shishio]

What tynamo do you think is best? There is one with 40hp with a (C) retreat cost, and one with 30 Hp, but he has free retreat. The free retreat is wonderful, especially early game for a cleffa. However, the dragons donk him with a DCE and a pluspower, something that has happened quite often for a lot of 30 hp pokes. Im gonna go with the 30hp one, but im still on the ropes.

[Darkmot]

Definitly the one with 40 HP for several reasons.
Firstly it has a better attack with the potential to be able to paralyze, what sometimes can be a pretty cool way to stall a little bit and I really like the idea starting with it vs. ZPST xD
Then it has 10 more HP, meaning, that Dragons etc. need 2 PPs to kill it and it can't be killed by Tyrogue+Catcher, only problem is, that Yanmega can snipe it, but then you just return KO with Magnezone if needed.
If you have to retreat it you get the Energy in the next turn anyways with Elektrik and then you should be able to attack with something in combination with a catcher or something like this.
That's why the 40 HP one should be prefered.