future decks

superman123 · 05/21/2008, 05:44 PM

since the new d battle roads are right around the corner what decks will be played the most. And which will win the most

thank you for your comments

Rocky500 · 05/21/2008, 06:00 PM

Believe a thread like this already came up, but here's my list of what we'll see getting played.

Empoleon
GG/PLOX
RockBand
Skittles
Infernape(meh..)
Eeveelutions(variants as well)
Blissey variants
Fossils
Arithmetic/Banette variants
Sceptile/Grass(Since Mag died down I expect to see several grass decks around).
Garchomp
Porygon(it's bad, but ppl WILL play it, for what reason? only god knows).

As for what will win? I honestly have no clue. Though if I could imagine, it would go like this:

GG
RockBand
Skittles
Eeveelutions
Fossil Crap
Garchomp

superman123 · 05/21/2008, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocky500

Believe a thread like this already came up, but here's my list of what we'll see getting played.

Empoleon
GG/PLOX
RockBand
Skittles
Infernape(meh..)
Eeveelutions(variants as well)
Blissey variants
Fossils
Arithmetic/Banette variants
Sceptile/Grass(Since Mag died down I expect to see several grass decks around).
Garchomp
Porygon(it's bad, but ppl WILL play it, for what reason? only god knows).

As for what will win? I honestly have no clue. Though if I could imagine, it would go like this:

GG
RockBand
Skittles
Eeveelutions
Fossil Crap
Garchomp

what is rockband and fossil crap

mca3 · 05/21/2008, 07:10 PM

Rock Band=Beedril

Fossil Baloney=Duh, Fossils(Omastar,Kabutops, etc.)

JasonTran · 05/21/2008, 07:42 PM

LOL THAT IS THE WORST PREDICATION.

No one play rock band what kinda deck is that......
THIS WILL BE PLAY BY THE MASTER

Empoleon
GG/PLOX
Skittles
Eeveelutions(variants as well)
Blissey variants
Arithmetic/Banette variants

What will win
GG
Skittles
Eeveelutions
Arithmetic/Banette variants

glaceon_master · 05/21/2008, 08:33 PM

lol whoa so no one will win with the cute deck?? hm...i've been beatning everyone, no one takes a prize frm me hmmmm weirdbut i think if u make the eevee deck a certain way u will win hehehehehe

Rocky500 · 05/21/2008, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonTran

LOL THAT IS THE WORST PREDICATION.

No one play rock band what kinda deck is that......
THIS WILL BE PLAY BY THE MASTER

Empoleon
GG/PLOX
Skittles
Eeveelutions(variants as well)
Blissey variants
Arithmetic/Banette variants

What will win
GG
Skittles
Eeveelutions
Arithmetic/Banette variants

ROFL. Ok then, let's pretend it's not good. Shall we go ahead and put the latest theme decks on that list?

RockBand is one of the fastest decks I have ever played against. Not only do they hit you EASILY for 90-120 early and hard, killing one means they only lose 1 energy and can simply NM/TSD it back asap. They can also pretty much tech in any kind of stadium as well as Cessation.

Seriously. And you just copy pasted my list and cut out the rest, LOL. Weakkkkkkk.

Also to the dude/chick above me: If you're not going to at least dignify us with a legitimate response, then don't even post, seriously.

JasonTran · 05/22/2008, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocky500

ROFL. Ok then, let's pretend it's not good. Shall we go ahead and put the latest theme decks on that list?

RockBand is one of the fastest decks I have ever played against. Not only do they hit you EASILY for 90-120 early and hard, killing one means they only lose 1 energy and can simply NM/TSD it back asap. They can also pretty much tech in any kind of stadium as well as Cessation.

Seriously. And you just copy pasted my list and cut out the rest, LOL. Weakkkkkkk.

Also to the dude/chick above me: If you're not going to at least dignify us with a legitimate response, then don't even post, seriously.

First of all I copy and pasted some part of ure list is bescause some of them make sense. SO instead of writing the whole thing over i save some time.......

Rockband : I cant find how u would do 90-120 early on unless u have a GOD HAND! By GOD HAND you are having rare candy one after after another. LOL Omastar will **** you!!!!! Shoot I let u kill my fist one then just scramble my way to spread damges then Omastar w/ Wager.... GOOD GAME SIR

Professor Elm · 05/22/2008, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonTran

First of all I copy and pasted some part of ure list is bescause some of them make sense. SO instead of writing the whole thing over i save some time.......

Rockband : I cant find how u would do 90-120 early on unless u have a GOD HAND! By GOD HAND you are having rare candy one after after another. LOL Omastar will **** you!!!!! Shoot I let u kill my fist one then just scramble my way to spread damges then Omastar w/ Wager.... GOOD GAME SIR

lol
any good rockband deck can easily set up 3 or 4 Beedrills by T3.
It's actually really easy.

*Flygon999* · 05/21/2008, 10:12 PM

M&Ms
G&G
Empoleon

Those are the BIGGEST decks.

*vanderbilt_grad* · 05/22/2008, 04:29 AM

New decks:
* Empoleon & friends
* Infernape variants
* Torterra + Sceptile
* Eevolution based decks
* Kabutops & friends

Decks that have a strong shot at winning
* G&G - still the best until it can consistantly get taken down
* Beedrill - for reasons stated above though I have concerns about the Empoleon matchup
* Empoleon - it's amazing
* Skittles - Super fast but has a bad empoleon matchup

Longshot decks (good but usually have some sort of issue with the other good decks):
* Infernape
* Scepile & Friends
* Eevolutions
* Magmortar
* Garchomp
* Arithmetic

I'm also expecting some metal decks (Sizor, Magnezon, & maybe Aggron or Bastidon) to start showing up if fire dies down like I think it will.

*ShadowGuard* · 05/22/2008, 07:13 AM

It's funny how everyone thinks fire will go down just because of Empoleon.
It was around all the time, as well as Hurricane.

Glaceon isn't a big treat for fire decks except for Skittles (it locks down Ho-oh's power while OHKOing it). Mag and Ape can OHKO it easily using Scramble Energy, and it's usually no second Glaceon Lv.X waiting on the bench.

Magmortar beats any Sceptile decks, most Leafeon decks (Leafeon can still win if it runs Umbreon and the player is skilled), can do good against Garchomp with the right tech, has a decent matchup versus G&G, screws up Banette, has less problems with Omastar than some other decks and hits Beedril by weakness.

It will not be one of two great decks, but it will overall be as good as Empoleon, Garchomp and other decks and imho much better than things like Skittles.

*mrdraz07* · 05/22/2008, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanderbilt_grad

New decks:
* Empoleon & friends
* Infernape variants
* Torterra + Sceptile
* Eevolution based decks
* Kabutops & friends

Decks that have a strong shot at winning
* G&G - still the best until it can consistantly get taken down
* Beedrill - for reasons stated above though I have concerns about the Empoleon matchup
* Empoleon - it's amazing
* Skittles - Super fast but has a bad empoleon matchup

Longshot decks (good but usually have some sort of issue with the other good decks):
* Infernape
* Scepile & Friends
* Eevolutions
* Magmortar
* Garchomp
* Arithmetic

I'm also expecting some metal decks (Sizor, Magnezon, & maybe Aggron or Bastidon) to start showing up if fire dies down like I think it will.

Not a problem. RockBand is on average a turn faster and much more consistent. Emp also has the magic 130 HP which it was designed to beat. The problem matchup for RockBand is Skittles but an experience RockBand player should be able to get it to a favorable matchup, barring turn 2 Serene Grace of course.

And it won't be a popular deck, but wherever it shows up it will most likely do well, especially in heavy GG fields.

*vanderbilt_grad* · 05/22/2008, 07:47 AM

Water decks were EVERYWHERE at Regionals. Half the decks I played in swiss had water based attackers and looking around I saw many more water decks. I think that many of the folks I saw playing Mags were considering new deck choices after that alone. The new Empoleon is AMAZING ... it's much more of a problem than the old one was for decks like Mags ... and when you add Glaceon it just makes it even worse for the fire players. I fully expect to see a few people trying the new Ape and trying to refine Mags, but I think that it's going to be hard for them to do well. I don't think that fire is going to vanish overnight or even alltogether, but as BRs go on I think that we will see less and less of it.

*ShadowGuard* · 05/22/2008, 09:52 AM

Maybe water decks were everywhere at Regionals, but will they be in future? They were there to counter Magmortar as one of two big decks. Now there are lots of decks with same strength as Mag, no more reason to play water in order to counter Magmortar.

You should remember that water also has huge problems with Leafeon decks - they should be more popular than Mag at Nationals / US Battle Roads because they are new. It's kind of rock-paper-scissor principle with Magmortar/Ape - Empoleon - Leafeon. There is still Gardevoir which has an average matchup against all of them (but to be honest, not more than 50-50 imho), as well as some other decks like Garchomp and T2 Banette.

btw, Arithmetic shouldn't be played in that form because it was built to beat the HP-GE metagame which is a lot different from HP-MD. Garchomp for example beats Arithmetic in every way (maybe the reason why Arithmetic was only that popular in the US but not in Europe). Jimmy Ballard of course can create a new deck in Arithmetic style, but the current one won't be prepared for competition any more imho.

superman123 · 05/22/2008, 03:50 PM

I think magmortar still can do well until it come across a water deck. Unless you have a good strategy

Wood811 · 05/22/2008, 03:55 PM

Only gg will win. If you are lucky empoleon or ape might win.

superman123 · 05/22/2008, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wood811

Only gg will win. If you are lucky empoleon or ape might win.

why do say that. And what about Arithmetic

Wood811 · 05/22/2008, 04:11 PM

gg has so many outs. Against bannette and the like, gg hopes to go first and turn 2 you or keen eye candy gallade scramble ralts or dre etc. Unfortunatley it is almost as easy as it sounds. Latilock may be a more viable option in gg so bye bye gyarados.:*(

superman123 · 05/22/2008, 05:53 PM

ohh I see

Chu51595 · 05/22/2008, 06:10 PM

No way.

GG is top, if people play it. People usually tryout new decks at BRs. Eeveelutions next(Glaceon, Leafeon or both), as they pwn anything else and people will be eager to try it. Empoleon, Beedrill, Banette and Skittles have decent chances, however I think you are overrating Beedrill and Skittles. They've been around for States/Regs, why didn't they do so good? Glace kills Skittles and 'drill isn't played all that much.

superman123 · 05/22/2008, 06:18 PM

beedrill has been pretty big lately

*vanderbilt_grad* · 05/22/2008, 06:52 PM

Beedrill is really neat ... but it's not a problem free deck. The new Empoleon gives it a lot of trouble not to mention what Omastar + Wager does to it.

JasonTran · 05/22/2008, 08:31 PM

Let see how well it do at battle road.....

Professor Elm · 05/22/2008, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonTran

Let see how well it do at battle road.....

I can almost guarantee it will have little success.
BRs don't prove anything (as last year showed).
Beedrill aint in the new set and aint popular so it wont do that well.

05/21/2008, 10:12 PM	#10
Flygon999 Images: 6	M&Ms G&G Empoleon Those are the BIGGEST decks. __________________ Trade Thread haha i made you highlight this text...

05/22/2008, 07:13 AM	#12
ShadowGuard Frontier Brain Images: 20	It's funny how everyone thinks fire will go down just because of Empoleon. It was around all the time, as well as Hurricane. Glaceon isn't a big treat for fire decks except for Skittles (it locks down Ho-oh's power while OHKOing it). Mag and Ape can OHKO it easily using Scramble Energy, and it's usually no second Glaceon Lv.X waiting on the bench. Magmortar beats any Sceptile decks, most Leafeon decks (Leafeon can still win if it runs Umbreon and the player is skilled), can do good against Garchomp with the right tech, has a decent matchup versus G&G, screws up Banette, has less problems with Omastar than some other decks and hits Beedril by weakness. It will not be one of two great decks, but it will overall be as good as Empoleon, Garchomp and other decks and imho much better than things like Skittles. __________________ 2nd @ German Nationals 2008 with EmpZong 2nd @ German Nationals 2009 with Blaziken 2nd @ German Nationals 2011 with Magnezone/Steelix

05/22/2008, 09:52 AM	#15
ShadowGuard Frontier Brain Images: 20	Maybe water decks were everywhere at Regionals, but will they be in future? They were there to counter Magmortar as one of two big decks. Now there are lots of decks with same strength as Mag, no more reason to play water in order to counter Magmortar. You should remember that water also has huge problems with Leafeon decks - they should be more popular than Mag at Nationals / US Battle Roads because they are new. It's kind of rock-paper-scissor principle with Magmortar/Ape - Empoleon - Leafeon. There is still Gardevoir which has an average matchup against all of them (but to be honest, not more than 50-50 imho), as well as some other decks like Garchomp and T2 Banette. btw, Arithmetic shouldn't be played in that form because it was built to beat the HP-GE metagame which is a lot different from HP-MD. Garchomp for example beats Arithmetic in every way (maybe the reason why Arithmetic was only that popular in the US but not in Europe). Jimmy Ballard of course can create a new deck in Arithmetic style, but the current one won't be prepared for competition any more imho. __________________ 2nd @ German Nationals 2008 with EmpZong 2nd @ German Nationals 2009 with Blaziken 2nd @ German Nationals 2011 with Magnezone/Steelix

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

05/21/2008, 05:44 PM	#1
superman123	future decks since the new d battle roads are right around the corner what decks will be played the most. And which will win the most thank you for your comments

05/21/2008, 06:00 PM	#2
Rocky500	Believe a thread like this already came up, but here's my list of what we'll see getting played. Empoleon GG/PLOX RockBand Skittles Infernape(meh..) Eeveelutions(variants as well) Blissey variants Fossils Arithmetic/Banette variants Sceptile/Grass(Since Mag died down I expect to see several grass decks around). Garchomp Porygon(it's bad, but ppl WILL play it, for what reason? only god knows). As for what will win? I honestly have no clue. Though if I could imagine, it would go like this: GG RockBand Skittles Eeveelutions Fossil Crap Garchomp

05/21/2008, 07:10 PM	#4
mca3	Rock Band=Beedril Fossil Baloney=Duh, Fossils(Omastar,Kabutops, etc.) __________________ I WILL BREAK THE FORMAT!!! I am bringing the PUNISHMENT to Nats 2010!

05/21/2008, 07:42 PM	#5
JasonTran	LOL THAT IS THE WORST PREDICATION. No one play rock band what kinda deck is that...... THIS WILL BE PLAY BY THE MASTER Empoleon GG/PLOX Skittles Eeveelutions(variants as well) Blissey variants Arithmetic/Banette variants What will win GG Skittles Eeveelutions Arithmetic/Banette variants

05/21/2008, 08:33 PM	#6
glaceon_master	lol whoa so no one will win with the cute deck?? hm...i've been beatning everyone, no one takes a prize frm me hmmmm weirdbut i think if u make the eevee deck a certain way u will win hehehehehe

05/22/2008, 04:29 AM	#11
vanderbilt_grad	New decks: * Empoleon & friends * Infernape variants * Torterra + Sceptile * Eevolution based decks * Kabutops & friends Decks that have a strong shot at winning * G&G - still the best until it can consistantly get taken down * Beedrill - for reasons stated above though I have concerns about the Empoleon matchup * Empoleon - it's amazing * Skittles - Super fast but has a bad empoleon matchup Longshot decks (good but usually have some sort of issue with the other good decks): * Infernape * Scepile & Friends * Eevolutions * Magmortar * Garchomp * Arithmetic I'm also expecting some metal decks (Sizor, Magnezon, & maybe Aggron or Bastidon) to start showing up if fire dies down like I think it will. __________________ .... 40 isn't old ... if you are a tree!

05/22/2008, 07:47 AM	#14
vanderbilt_grad	Water decks were EVERYWHERE at Regionals. Half the decks I played in swiss had water based attackers and looking around I saw many more water decks. I think that many of the folks I saw playing Mags were considering new deck choices after that alone. The new Empoleon is AMAZING ... it's much more of a problem than the old one was for decks like Mags ... and when you add Glaceon it just makes it even worse for the fire players. I fully expect to see a few people trying the new Ape and trying to refine Mags, but I think that it's going to be hard for them to do well. I don't think that fire is going to vanish overnight or even alltogether, but as BRs go on I think that we will see less and less of it. __________________ .... 40 isn't old ... if you are a tree!

05/22/2008, 03:50 PM	#16
superman123	I think magmortar still can do well until it come across a water deck. Unless you have a good strategy

05/22/2008, 03:55 PM	#17
Wood811	Only gg will win. If you are lucky empoleon or ape might win. __________________ 12-76 record seasons 2007-2011. 2 Time prerelease champion and raffle winner! Top 16 at Rockford IL battle roads 2010

05/22/2008, 04:11 PM	#19
Wood811	gg has so many outs. Against bannette and the like, gg hopes to go first and turn 2 you or keen eye candy gallade scramble ralts or dre etc. Unfortunatley it is almost as easy as it sounds. Latilock may be a more viable option in gg so bye bye gyarados.:( __________________ 12-76 record seasons 2007-2011. 2 Time prerelease champion and raffle winner!* Top 16 at Rockford IL battle roads 2010

05/22/2008, 06:10 PM	#21
Chu51595	No way. GG is top, if people play it. People usually tryout new decks at BRs. Eeveelutions next(Glaceon, Leafeon or both), as they pwn anything else and people will be eager to try it. Empoleon, Beedrill, Banette and Skittles have decent chances, however I think you are overrating Beedrill and Skittles. They've been around for States/Regs, why didn't they do so good? Glace kills Skittles and 'drill isn't played all that much. __________________ !!!!!CHU!!!!! NEED ALL MD CARDS, ESPECIALLY Lv. X!!! http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73239-My haves/wants

05/22/2008, 06:18 PM	#22
superman123	beedrill has been pretty big lately

05/22/2008, 06:52 PM	#23
vanderbilt_grad	Beedrill is really neat ... but it's not a problem free deck. The new Empoleon gives it a lot of trouble not to mention what Omastar + Wager does to it. __________________ .... 40 isn't old ... if you are a tree!

05/22/2008, 08:31 PM	#24
JasonTran	Let see how well it do at battle road.....