Wait a minute...Mothim (SW) is GOOD!

[FLCLFANMAN]

Just reading this and its similar to Scizor(SF)in that its ATK can do 70 for 2 and has free retreat.

Weak to fire (no bigey) but resistent to Fighting (Macheap).

Most of the Burmys have Powers that let you power them up so You can Ko stuff T2 if you get the set up.

Lastly, you can use powers with it so its not restricted like Scizor/ Cherrim

Any thoughts?

More importantly, any ideas on how I can get damage on my guys so I can use Raging Scales quicker?

[elekid_957]

unown P+mothim+gyarados MT... mothballz FTW.

[FLCLFANMAN]

Originally Posted by elekid_957

unown P+mothim+gyarados MT... mothballz FTW.

U sir are a GENIUS. I' bringing this deck back now that we have rainbow energy

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Originally Posted by V_For_Vendetta

Wait a minute, a stage one who maxes out at 70 damage, has 80 hp, and needs to be weakened to attack well is TERRIBLE.
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Its only bad if you dont know how to play it. I see a 80HP grass type that works with Cherrim, has free retreat, a basic form that attaches free energy and can donk if you time it right.

[elekid_957]

Originally Posted by FLCLFANMAN

U sir are a GENIUS. I' bringing this deck back now that we have rainbow energy

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Its only bad if you dont know how to play it. I see a 80HP grass type that works with Cherrim, has free retreat, a basic form that attaches free energy and can donk if you time it right.

don't give me credit for it, people came up with it way before me.

[V_For_Vendetta]

Wait a minute, a stage one who maxes out at 70 damage, has 80 hp, and needs to be weakened to attack well is TERRIBLE.
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[Rogue Archetype]

Originally Posted by V_For_Vendetta

Wait a minute, a stage one who maxes out at 70 damage, has 80 hp, and needs to be weakened to attack well is TERRIBLE.
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Gonna have to ride this train with V ...

That'd be hours of building and testing just to lose... badly.

SP Fire format .. ftl

[Happiny13]

I used this in a torterra deck back before great encounters and it saved the day a couple of times. If you use rare candy on the first turn and have it damaged it does 110 damage turn 2.

[Politoed666]

I tried a Mothim/Cresselia X/Unown P deck awhile back... It was good, but it didn't have enough acceleration. Mothim is one of those cards where you go, "oh snap, this is good, but it doesn't really fit anywhere."

Originally Posted by V_For_Vendetta

First of all, Cherrim isn't a main attacker stupid, its a support pokemon with the ability to attack if needed.
His basic form has 40 hp. Start vs a Sableye sometime, or have your opponent go first with an Uxie. Its going to be FUN.

He can donk, so what? So can Wormada Sand Cloak, donk cards only work if they have long term staying power and damage ability. Mothim has niether. Free retreat doesn't make up for it, and a semi useless power off a 40 HP BASIC certainly doesn't make up for it, considering he only needs 2 energy to attack.

He's terrible, period.

Oh yeah. Respect is good. Flaming is not.

[V_For_Vendetta]

Originally Posted by Politoed666

Oh yeah. Respect is good. Flaming is not.

And I happily respect respectable people.

I'm still waiting for someone to even address the uselessness of having a deck based on or including a guy with basically 70 hp who maxes out at 70 damage, why wouldn't you use Uxie Lv X, he only does 10 less, has 10 more hp, has a useful basic, and helps you setup.

[gallade]

because you can play 4 of these, has a good basic for nrg accel, and sure, you can use it to.

[V_For_Vendetta]

You can play 4 Night Pokemon Center as well, it doesn't change the fact that its a terrible card.

[Bippa201]

Mothim isn't great, but it isn't bad either. It's kinda in the middle.

With Cherrim and Shaymin, Mothim does gain survivability and strength, but it clogs the bench

[V_For_Vendetta]

That and its completely inferior to Scizor with that strategy.

[Suicide]

Mothballs is an excellent Deck in terms of playability i would place it as a tier two deck but only if the correct player plays it. The deck is very easy to setup and is reasonably consistent if built correctly. the biggest problem in he deck is that Mothim only has 80 HP but that's not too much of a downside when you consider that Gyarados has 120 HP to help back him up.

[Black Mamba]

Mothballs is a tier 2 deck if you COMPLETELY factor out the existence of Dialga G Lv.X.

[ShadowGuard]

Originally Posted by Black Mamba

Mothballs is a tier 2 deck if you COMPLETELY factor out the existence of Dialga G Lv.X.

Even without Dialga G it's never tier 2, not even tier 3.
Of course it's a combo and you can play it, but it is a fun deck and can't compete with the metagame no matter what.

Kricketune does 80 damage, thanks to Azelf it has no longer any problem with prized Kricketots, and with the new Kricketune it can even continue to do high damage in lategame. It's boosted by Cherrim and Shaymin just as Mothim is. Except for the free retreat and the fighting resistance, Kricketune is superior to Mothim in any way. But still, I didn't see someone playing Kricketune this season.

[FLCLFANMAN]

I think this deck got a boost w/ the advent of Rainbow energy and broken time space. Not to mention there's Uxie for quick draw. Gyaraods is good, but I'm going to replace w/ Cherrim so he helps back up Mothim.

This is an entirely CASUAL deck idea BTW. I don't plan on running this at Nats

[Shen]

It's good and fast, you can respond every turn with no energy on the field by attaching from your hand and then to Burmy. Problem is, you need to keep Burmy down most of the time instead of Mothim. Not only does it get in the way of Cosmic Power, but Burmy only has 40 HP... and a Power. Gengar messes it up, Manectric, Magmortar, and even a random Giratina would be tough. Mothim only has 70 HP, basically. HP is a huge issue. The grass Wormadom helps alot, with 120 HP, but Dialga hurts that too.

I used to play it, not with Gyrados but on its own. Got me 4th at a BR lol. It's fast and hits hard if you can avoid a T1 donk on your 40 HP basic =/ Even if you play Gyrados, Magikarp with 30 HP isn't much better.

[FLCLFANMAN]

Mothim has 80, but I still see your concern. I'm using a couple of Cynthia's feelings to cope with the inevitable donks, but I like the speed burmy brings w/ his power.

[Phazon Elite]

Originally Posted by FLCLFANMAN

Mothim has 80, but I still see your concern. I'm using a couple of Cynthia's feelings to cope with the inevitable donks, but I like the speed burmy brings w/ his power.

Mothim has 80 HP if you want him to be bustin' out a maddening 30 for 2.

[FLCLFANMAN]

Originally Posted by Phazon Elite

Mothim has 80 HP if you want him to be bustin' out a maddening 30 for 2.

O, I see . Its still not a bad card, especially since we have Shaymin and Broken time space to help it out.

[catstarch7]

or we can put it in garchomp to do a possible 150 or more

[darkartisan]

This is a card that is respectably decent, but nothing worthy or anything, just like Kabutops SW(I think it's SW)

They are playable, but nothing extremely competitive like Dialga or Gechamp. Just a fun deck to play.

[Blaziken 1111]

It's not as good as it used to be and it wasn't that good. It was decent last year because gg was popular and mothim could pretty much out speed it and can live without powers. Gallade had to flip a prize saying you have a pp on it and gardy needs a pp to kill it. Gyridos also made it better becasue it was hard to kill and it had a lot of power behind it. I played it durring the last br and I was definelty a fun deck. The only reason why you would use it over scizor is becasue of burmy's power and the ability to use powers. Otherwise scizor is so much better because mothim pretty much has 70 HP which can easily be one shotted.

[V_For_Vendetta]

Actually, yes it is.