Life without Claydol?

[SPARTA]

It can happen, especialy if your playing with sp pokemon.

The odds of you getting 2 Pokespray by T2-3 are about 20% if you manage to thin your deck by 2-3 cards per turn, assuming you do not use Cyrus to grab Poke Spray because you will be using Roseanne or be using it to grab Energy Gain so you may be able to attack quickly.

So yeah, it can happen, But 4/5 times it will work in my favor, and the other 1/5 of the time I can simply hit you with Uxie and try again next turn (and if you manage to have all 4 Power Spray in your hand on turn 3-4 I will come across the table).

Don't you understand.. your Claydol will be locked!!

For 1 turn, the exact same amount of time you will gain draw through Oaks Visit. Except my supporter slot wasn't used up, thus I can still play search even if you lock Claydol. you can lock me for 2-3 turns AT BEST, while you suffer from sub par draw the entire game.

Really? Then I guess you call your krappy post a sucess right?...I think not!!

A total success, considering I was able to dismantle your silly attempt at an argument while not having a single one of my points argued or, indeed even having been addressed.

[amphy#1]

Originally Posted by SPARTA

The odds of you getting 2 Pokespray by T2-3 are about 20% if you manage to thin your deck by 2-3 cards per turn, assuming you do not use Cyrus to grab Poke Spray because you will be using Roseanne or be using it to grab Energy Gain so you may be able to attack quickly.
That's just speculation. You don't know for sure what I already have in my hand. Then I'll use serch to get my ohter stuff.
So yeah, it can happen, But 4/5 times it will work in my favor, and the other 1/5 of the time I can simply hit you with Uxie and try again next turn (and if you manage to have all 4 Power Spray in your hand on turn 3-4 I will come across the table).

I would like to see that.

For 1 turn, the exact same amount of time you will gain draw through Oaks Visit. Except my supporter slot wasn't used up, thus I can still play search even if you lock Claydol. you can lock me for 2-3 turns AT BEST, while you suffer from sub par draw the entire game.

Good for you.. Oh, so it is'nt sub par when you draw or search with out Claydol? You and me will be on the same playing field. That will make it a fair battle.
A total success, considering I was able to dismantle your silly attempt at an argument while not having a single one of my points argued or, indeed even having been addressed.

LAME!! really LAME!!

[SPARTA]

That's just speculation. You don't know for sure what I already have in my hand. Then I'll use serch to get my ohter stuff.

Statistical fact. You have no cards other than Cyrus which you would run to grab Power Spray. The only other cards you could play would either be terrible (in the case of Poke Drawer) or defeat the point of running an SP deck (in the case of searching pokemon).

I would like to see that.

That's nice, feel free to blog about it on your My space.

Good for you.. Oh, so it is'nt sub par when you draw or search with out Claydol? You and me will be on the same playing field. That will make it a fair battle.

A fair battle for 2-3 turns at the most before I gain the advantage. You are playing an SP deck, you already had the early game advantage.

LAME!! really LAME!!

Agreed, but I was trying to avoid telling you that you were. I'm glad you broached that subject instead.

Still waiting for you to actually address a single thing I saw rather than spout stupidity and silliness....

[yoyofsho16]

Originally Posted by amphy#1

"Whatcha gonna do!!"

What? That is an awful post. Why do you continue to discredit good players and using Powers? There's a reason people use Claydol: IT WORKS. If you have 2 Power Spray T2 even, that's 2 Claydol locks. BOOHOO. I just wasted 2 of your Power Spray early in the game. Great misplay, Amphy #1. Now when I charge up my Blastoise, you'll have a worse chance of being able to Power Spray it.

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And it also isn't sub-par that your Porygon 2 that you use as draw can be locked JUST LIKE CLAYDOL??

[amphy#1]

Originally Posted by SPARTA

Statistical fact. You have no cards other than Cyrus which you would run to grab Power Spray. The only other cards you could play would either be terrible (in the case of Poke Drawer) or defeat the point of running an SP deck (in the case of searching pokemon).

Honchcrow G says hi.

That's nice, feel free to blog about it on your My space.

I will.

A fair battle for 2-3 turns at the most before I gain the advantage. You are playing an SP deck, you already had the early game advantage.

your right I will have the advantage after that... you loose.

Agreed, but I was trying to avoid telling you that you were. I'm glad you broached that subject instead.

"I know you are, but what am I" (Pee Wee Herman).

Still waiting for you to actually address a single thing I saw rather than spout stupidity and silliness....

"Whatcha gonna do!!"

[Politoed666]

Life without Claydol, huh? One word: Uxie.

[SPARTA]

Honchcrow G says hi.

Meaning you dealt no damage first turn, meaning I am breathing easier since the odds of me dying early went down dramatically.

I will.

Good boy, maybe you can be taught to roll over.

your right I will have the advantage after that... you loose.

I loose. Oh no I loose, what will I do?
I mean besides win the game and arguement vs you, of course.

[amphy#1]

Originally Posted by yoyofsho16

What? That is an awful post. Why do you continue to discredit good players and using Powers? There's a reason people use Claydol: IT WORKS. If you have 2 Power Spray T2 even, that's 2 Claydol locks. BOOHOO. I just wasted 2 of your Power Spray early in the game. Great misplay, Amphy #1. Now when I charge up my Blastoise, you'll have a worse chance of being able to Power Spray it.

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And it also isn't sub-par that your Porygon 2 that you use as draw can be locked JUST LIKE CLAYDOL??

I don't discredit them, I just lock them. It works if I don't lock it which I will. You call stopping you from using a power to draw a missplay? I don't think so.

Amphy will fry the shell off of Blastoise's back. Great misplay whatever your name is.

Yes it will get locked, but unlike you I still have tons of supporters to keep me in the game.

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Originally Posted by Politoed666

Life without Claydol, huh? One word: Uxie.

One word: Power Spray.

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Originally Posted by SPARTA

Meaning you dealt no damage first turn, meaning I am breathing easier since the odds of me dying early went down dramatically.



Good boy, maybe you can be taught to roll over.

I will bite you in the.... "nothin but the dog in me." You will be the one playing dead after I beat you.I loose. Oh no I loose, what will I do?
I mean besides win the game and arguement vs you, of course.

Me= win... You= Loose.

[FLCLFANMAN]

When is everybody gonna understand that we don't NEED Claydol or Uxie or any insane draw staple? We use them b/c they make our decks quicker and incredibly consistent. If they were axed most decks would still match up accordingly, but wouldn't have the draw/set up speed. The world won't end if we don't have a draw staple and If u have a deck that depends on said staple you should rethink deck strategy.

[Bippa201]

^^ You win

If your whole strategy relies on claydol, what happens when it is locked?

[SPARTA]

nothin but the dog in me."

Sit, Heel, Roll Over, Beg.
BEG
BEG

Good boy.

Originally Posted by FLCLFANMAN

When is everybody gonna understand that we don't NEED Claydol or Uxie or any insane draw staple? We use them b/c they make our decks quicker and incredibly consistent. If they were axed most decks would still match up accordingly, but wouldn't have the draw/set up speed. The world won't end if we don't have a draw staple and If u have a deck that depends on said staple you should rethink deck strategy.

True enough, and I am glad you pointed that out. But for this format, Claydol and Uxie have almost been a necessity due to the weakness of raw draw cards we have been getting recently, which as we can see will be changing quite soon.

And yes, as we see in Scizor you don't NEED a draw staple, but you must admit that spending 2-4 spots for consistent draw the entire game is usually well worth it in decks that can afford the space, and that 1 slot spent on Uxie can really come in handy sometimes.

[FLCLFANMAN]

Originally Posted by SPARTA

Sit, Heel, Roll Over, Beg.
BEG
BEG

Good boy.



True enough, and I am glad you pointed that out. But for this format, Claydol and Uxie have almost been a necessity due to the weakness of raw draw cards we have been getting recently, which as we can see will be changing quite soon.

And yes, as we see in Scizor you don't NEED a draw staple, but you must admit that spending 2-4 spots for consistent draw the entire game is usually well worth it in decks that can afford the space, and that 1 slot spent on Uxie can really come in handy sometimes.

Absolutely a extra deck slot can be used to optimize draw, hence these cards make our decks more consistent. I just kinda get annoyed when some people think the sky's going to fall if we lose Claydol. Trust me, it wont. There would still be strategy if this kind of draw power didn't exist.

Although its true we've not had a slew of Steven-esque supports (except Cynthia's) its not necessarily a bad thing. A decline in draw power could lead to the resurgence of other decks that can't be played b/c of the current draw options cough*darkwing duck* cough.

In my perfect world, draw cards would be balanced and usable to the point where you aren't obligated to run them. But since I live in this world, I might as well play in it

Its true

[SPARTA]

An excellent point, in fact I was wondering if the people who decide how the game would be run were using this to see what would happen if the entire format were dependent on Pokemon for draw by making nothing but terrible straight draw and only having gopd shuffle and draw, with the obligatory discard and draw

[FLCLFANMAN]

Originally Posted by SPARTA

An excellent point, in fact I was wondering if the people who decide how the game would be run were using this to see what would happen if the entire format were dependent on Pokemon for draw by making nothing but terrible straight draw and only having gopd shuffle and draw, with the obligatory discard and draw

I'd like to see that too. This would also show the level of commitment players have to the game. Usually when a game cycles out/ bans abusable staples and replace them with balanced versions, alot of people quit since they can't speed through the game. Those that do stay/join show their dedication and increase their skill level by playing in these slower,strategic metas.

This is all speculation though. I don't know if Nintendo is ready to slow down a fast paced game marketed towards kids.

[SPARTA]

Originally Posted by FLCLFANMAN

I'd like to see that too. This would also show the level of commitment players have to the game. Usually when a game cycles out/ bans abusable staples and replace them with balanced versions, alot of people quit since they can't speed through the game. Those that do stay/join show their dedication and increase their skill level by playing in these slower,strategic metas.

This is all speculation though. I don't know if Nintendo is ready to slow down a fast paced game marketed towards kids.

To be fair Nintendo doesn't make this game, they simply own it. Cards are made by PCL, Pokemon Card Laboratories, and the actual tournaments are run by PUI and POP.

And again, this is speculation, but it does make sense, seeing as how they have done things like this in the past (for example, they saw at a tournament in Japan that Absol SW was wrecking the format, so they printed Claydol GE to have a way around it. Even Baltoy allows you a way around Absol). PCL takes a genuine interest in the game, and would appear to try to keep things "balanced" with cards.

[FLCLFANMAN]

Oh I see. Well even in your example it seems like PCL did more harm than good. Sure you stop hand control decks, but you inadvertantly advertise the greatest draw engine in the games history.

Despite this, I do give them credit for trying to counter what they see as problems in the meta. Some games ignore problems/complaints cough* Duelmasters*cough

So I'm guessing Mesprit(LA), Glaceon x (MD) and AMpharos (PT) was their response to the Claydol/Uxie Shenanigans?

[SPARTA]

Possibly, though Uxie seems more a complete and total "death to hand control" card.
I genuinly believe they didn't think Mesprit would be as good as it was, I mean its a basic with a one use power and a (P)(P) attack to make it really only good in Psychic deck, it seems like it wouldn't be THAT good.
As for Ampharos, I don't think it was a counter just for Claydol, but an anti power card in general. Combined with Ampharos SW, you can't use supporters without stopping your powers.

[FLCLFANMAN]

Originally Posted by SPARTA

Possibly, though Uxie seems more a complete and total "death to hand control" card.
I genuinly believe they didn't think Mesprit would be as good as it was, I mean its a basic with a one use power and a (P)(P) attack to make it really only good in Psychic deck, it seems like it wouldn't be THAT good.
As for Ampharos, I don't think it was a counter just for Claydol, but an anti power card in general. Combined with Ampharos SW, you can't use supporters without stopping your powers.

I see. Well put.

I guess it works out since it doubles as solid Claydol hate

[octillery49]

Originally Posted by DarthPika

After your Uxies get power sprayed a few times, come back here and tell me that Uxie is better than Claydol. :p

I know!!!! Everybody's worried about Amphy locking there Claydols, but Power Spray kills uxie even worse. Plus a well built G deck is a better deck than Amphy any day.

[Magnechu]

Okay, anyone that doesn't play Claydol in 90% of their decks this format is an idiot. G decks don't need it (usually) because they can run off Uxie and Cyrus and they don't have the room for Claydol. Generally, though, everything else runs it. I can think of maybe one decent deck that doesn't run it besides Toxicroak (Palkia still runs Claydol though).

The Supporters this format SUCK. Period. Cynthia's is the ONLY good draw card, Felicity's is mediocre at best. And Cynthia's is bad. When in combo with 2-2 Claydol and 2 Uxie, 3-4 Cynthia is good though to get around power lock. I'm not sure what this "Volkner" card does, but I'm sure it will replace Claydol. Every format needs a draw engine and hopefully that will be next years. But, this year, Claydol is the way to go. And if you don't play it, you're going to be left in the dust.

[FLCLFANMAN]

Originally Posted by Magnechu

Okay, anyone that doesn't play Claydol in 90% of their decks this format is an idiot. G decks don't need it (usually) because they can run off Uxie and Cyrus and they don't have the room for Claydol. Generally, though, everything else runs it. I can think of maybe one decent deck that doesn't run it besides Toxicroak (Palkia still runs Claydol though).

The Supporters this format SUCK. Period. Cynthia's is the ONLY good draw card, Felicity's is mediocre at best. And Cynthia's is bad. When in combo with 2-2 Claydol and 2 Uxie, 3-4 Cynthia is good though to get around power lock. I'm not sure what this "Volkner" card does, but I'm sure it will replace Claydol. Every format needs a draw engine and hopefully that will be next years. But, this year, Claydol is the way to go. And if you don't play it, you're going to be left in the dust.

Lolwut?

Volkners is more of a Steven's advice than a Claydol backup.

The real Claydol backup is Snorlax Lvl X if we ever get him. He's a Claydol that can actually attack

and every format DOES NOT need a draw card. Like I said earlier, we use them to make are decks more efficient (and in some cases playable). If these draw cards didn't exist gameplay and strategy would still be important.

[Scipio]

Originally Posted by Magnechu

Okay, anyone that doesn't play Claydol in 90% of their decks this format is an idiot.

See, this is what I dislike about some people. Not just you Magnechu, but certain others who go around calling people who don't conform with their views "Idiots". You know who I'm talking about.
So you're saying that most of the Dutch Cities winners have been idiots? Most wins were without Claydol and with Uxie and Unown R. You're saying that these persons are idiots?

What is it with some of you and just flaming everyone who doesn't conform to your view and your view only?

[Naki Feralkin]

Volkner's Philosophy allows you to draw cards until you have 7 in your hand? And you can discard a card before you use the draw effect.

I'd say with Uxie's, he's good enough for me.

[SPARTA]

Originally Posted by Scipio

See, this is what I dislike about some people. Not just you Magnechu, but certain others who go around calling people who don't conform with their views "Idiots". You know who I'm talking about.
So you're saying that most of the Dutch Cities winners have been idiots? Most wins were without Claydol and with Uxie and Unown R. You're saying that these persons are idiots?

What is it with some of you and just flaming everyone who doesn't conform to your view and your view only?

Because our view is right and has been proven. Almost every deck that has down well during BR's, Cities, and last format (even when we still had good draw AND power lock was more prominent), and it would be idiotic to assume things are going to change when... one more deck has the ability to power lock and cause a problem (SP decks).

I mean really, idiots might be a strong word for those who don't use Claydol in most of their decks, I would more describe them as...
...
...wait.
...proven over two formats with no alternative, continuous, reliable draw power given to us
No, never mind, idiot works just fine.

[amphy#1]

Originally Posted by SPARTA

Because our view is right and has been proven. Almost every deck that has down well during BR's, Cities, and last format (even when we still had good draw AND power lock was more prominent), and it would be idiotic to assume things are going to change when... one more deck has the ability to power lock and cause a problem (SP decks).

I mean really, idiots might be a strong word for those who don't use Claydol in most of their decks, I would more describe them as...
...
...wait.
...proven over two formats with no alternative, continuous, reliable draw power given to us
No, never mind, idiot works just fine.

Everyone does not play the same, nor do they think the same or have the same stategies as some people do. Yes we all know how good Claydol is, but it is not for everyone. Some decks don't need him, and some can't work without it, and most people rely on it to much, to the point to where that if they don't have something like a Claydolish draw engine than it is'nt good. What about the people who can't aford or borrow Claydol? Why would you call them idiots? I agree with you we do need better draw stuff, but can't you say somthing nice like "Claydol works well not only for me, but for most players. It would be wise for you to consider it too. If you don't use him then I wish you the best of luck."
See... Its not that hard to be nice. I know you like to get to the point in your post sometimes, but even people who post whom you've never met have feelings too and no pokemon player shall be called a idiot (mabee some yugioh players).