Werewolf xvi the rise of team plasma: Town wins

[Cantor]

The other problem is...

You are the only one who is seemingly sure that it is not possible for us to be cautious.

You are the only one who seems so sure that the wolves win condition is sooner than it ought to be.

The real townie play would have been to take the deal and then offer yourself to the town. If they chose to believe you the plan would go forward...if not they lynch you and no seer results were messed up.

It is obvious from what you have done that you place your existence before the towns...if any part of this deal is true.

Even by your own play you should have outed yourself yesterday because ultimatedra was going to seer you...yet you didn't...and ultimatedra died.

Vote: King Piplup

Need two more votes to get him to four according to my count. Keep the two on AT, so that both of them are at L-2.

Also it may be helpful if we do lynch KP to have a list of people who were confirmed by alignment seer before night 5 as well as the people who have been confirmed by non-alignment seering post night 5.

Also could someone direct me to the point when DC725 got the dream world seer? I looked and looked and could not find it.

[King Piplup]

I see there is not much I can do. Very well.

[Diaz]

So what do we think "Team Magma Wins" entails. I think AT is an indie and KP is a wolf. How do we best navigate killing them.

[Absoltrainer]

Well that was an interesting 3 pages. Got 10 min. till my next class. Not enough time to write the big post I want. I'll start writing it around 3:45ish Central time. At any rate, it will most likely be a huge post on why KP is a much bigger threat then me, should be lynched today. I'll have more, including answering jpulice's question about what kind of plan I would propose.

Just some stuff that hit me during class, that I want to toss out that may or may not have already been noted.

-Akane make a case against KP a while back
-Jason had called it odd that KP claimed seer/detective on Day 3, and the wolves never killed him
-A "wolf seer" is pointless because that person knows who is and isn't a wolf. A wolf detective is plausible, at least from my "mod" point of view
-I also have a propsed deal for the town that I beleive you guys will see as a win-win for you.

I have more to say, and I'll explain my own case a in depth when I return to class. I've compiled a list of possible scenarios, and if you guys can wait just 3ish hours, I'll come back from class and write it up.

[Pikamaster]

Diaz, quit the sarcastic garbage towards KP and give me a real answer, ok? I want a serious answer.

Can you or can you not steal AT's Camerupt?

[Cantor]

I think from here on out its going to be an argument between AT and KP.

@KP: I think you need to refute AT's points and defend yourself in a big post of why AT is a bigger threat.

[Absoltrainer]

Could someone please unvote me. If Cantor is correct and I die in one vote, then someone could easially sneak in a last minute kill on me if KP looks like he is going down and they don't like that....if you unvote me, you can always revote me later.....

[Cantor]

Absolutely...someone should unvote AT. I had the understanding that he was at L-2.

KP unvote or be lynched immediately.

[ProHawk]

Originally Posted by Cantor

Absolutely...someone should unvote AT. I had the understanding that he was at L-2.

KP unvote or be lynched immediately.

Pikamaster, this means you.

KP wont unvote. He is the wolf and is likely going to be lynched anyway. I don't think that's much of a threat to him.

SoA is MIA and prob won't unvote.

[King Piplup]

Listen to you? Threats? I will do as I wish.

Bahahahaha....

Turns out I want to hear AT out.

UNVOTE:Absoltrainer


Listen-I WILL suicide if conduct like Irkit's trying to order me around continues. You have been warned.

[Diaz]

Listen-I WILL suicide if conduct like Irkit's trying to order me around continues. You have been warned.

^ He's bluffing.

Can you or can you not steal AT's Camerupt?

Yeah, with a 75% Chance. But if we're not gunna lynch him today, we should ask him to give it to me if my role fails. AT would you be willing give me Camerupt if you don't die today? (Big if)

[King Piplup]

Originally Posted by Diaz

^ He's bluffing.


Yeah, with a 75% Chance. But if we're not gunna lynch him today, we should ask him to give it to me if my role fails. AT would you be willing give me Camerupt if you don't die today? (Big if)

You are incorrect.

[King Piplup]

Originally Posted by Diaz

^ He's bluffing.


Yeah, with a 75% Chance. But if we're not gunna lynch him today, we should ask him to give it to me if my role fails. AT would you be willing give me Camerupt if you don't die today? (Big if)

Try me. I dare you on that too.

[Cantor]

I thought you might say something like that KP.

So you are ready to reveal the name tomorrow with no seers right?

If you are willing to suicide out of irritation certainly you are willing to suicide out of strategy.

[King Piplup]

Originally Posted by Cantor

I thought you might say something like that KP.

So you are ready to reveal the name tomorrow with no seers right?

If you are willing to suicide out of irritation certainly you are willing to suicide out of strategy.

Don't bet on it. .

[Cantor]

Explain why after your honorable:

Originally Posted by King Piplup

I've examined it alright. For the same reason I'll never suicide, I refuse on principle to outside the bounds of the game. By future repercussions, I mean ban from the next game(s). It's not a risk I'm willing to take.

Is that a lie?

[King Piplup]

Originally Posted by Cantor

Explain why after your honorable:


Is that a lie?

What is lie is what is truth and what is truth is a lie.

[King Piplup]

The dishonorable path is not my first choice. If I feel those around me are dishonorable in their play, I will have no qualms with my self destruction being initiated.

[Diaz]

KP is faking crazy. I'm not buying. Either its a ploy, or he's actually going to do it. I'm fine either way, but not willing to play into it. KP, you're on thin ice in this game. (Its just a game.) You should realize that you are in a compromising position in the game and that others (including me) are going to take advantage of it. It happens to everyone.

[Cantor]

All right then... give us the name tomorrow with no lynch.

Or submit to AT and suicide.

But for you to say that your principle dictates that you will not do something...and then you attempt to threaten saying that you will do that same thing surely you see the contradiction there.

Besides...what happened to the worry about being banned? Seems like that evaporated rather quickly!

I mean can't you see how you either took a horrible deal and then dealt with revealing that horrible deal horribly...or are a wolf?

Certainly you could have come up with a better lie.

[King Piplup]

Originally Posted by Diaz

KP is faking crazy. I'm not buying. Either its a ploy, or he's actually going to do it. I'm fine either way, but not willing to play into it. KP, you're on thin ice in this game. (Its just a game.) You should realize that you are in a compromising position in the game and that others (including me) are going to take advantage of it. It happens to everyone.

The question is, what am I faking? (and I have a post coming on the rest of the subject of your post)

[ProHawk]

Originally Posted by Cantor

But for you to say that your principle dictates that you will not do something...and then you attempt to threaten saying that you will do that same thing surely you see the contradiction there.

Besides...what happened to the worry about being banned? Seems like that evaporated rather quickly!

Emotional decisions are often the ones made with the least thought and the most regret.

[Cantor]

However, this decision is not being made emotionally.

You can tell. When emotional, people vent or do the cold shoulder. He is doing neither.

Make no mistake he is not acting irrationally.

[King Piplup]

OK, first let me get to these.

Originally Posted by Diaz

KP is faking crazy. I'm not buying. Either its a ploy, or he's actually going to do it. I'm fine either way, but not willing to play into it. KP, you're on thin ice in this game. (Its just a game.) You should realize that you are in a compromising position in the game and that others (including me) are going to take advantage of it. It happens to everyone.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do. Depends on what direction the town goes. There's a direction I tend to like better than the other, and don't assume what said direction is.

Originally Posted by Cantor

All right then... give us the name tomorrow with no lynch.

"with no lynch?"

Or submit to AT and suicide.

But for you to say that your principle dictates that you will not do something...and then you attempt to threaten saying that you will do that same thing surely you see the contradiction there.

I've seen every contradiction I've posted. Hasn't stopped me.

Besides...what happened to the worry about being banned? Seems like that evaporated rather quickly!

I'm surprised nobody picked up the fact that TheKing faced absolutely no repercussions from such a gesture when I made this comment.

I mean can't you see how you either took a horrible deal and then dealt with revealing that horrible deal horribly...or are a wolf?

Certainly you could have come up with a better lie.
(assuming this is a lie as (whatever this guy's name is ) seems to think)
Certainly, I would've liked to have come up with something more sensible, or I would've liked to have planned a bit better to make it feasible. (Brightpowder anyone?)

More later.

Originally Posted by ProHawk

Emotional decisions are often the ones made with the least thought and the most regret.

Truly.

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Alright, I believe I am on my last leg before my doom. If I live the night, (Won't happen. Trust me) it will have truly been the demise of sane WW playing on here. We still have until Thursday, but I felt like getting this out there.

I'd first like to apologize for the way I've conducted myself toward those I've been in dialogue with. (Cantor, Prohawk, etc.) I realize my attitude toward said people was less than optimal, and I apologize for the way that has come off. I'm ashamed of it, and I hope we can all move on without any lasting feelings.

Cantor, I know I've been especially harsh and irritated toward you, and I apologize for that. I have on question for you. It can wait until postgame if you like, but...

How many, if any, players or game mods knew of your account stunt?

By the way, despite my apparent reactions, I'm glad you did that. It'll really help shed some light on the way the Gym's meta has worked lately.


Prohawk, again sorry for the way I've come off.

Those are the two I think I've really been harsh to in the revealing of my situation.

~Just Posted~

Originally Posted by Cantor

However, this decision is not being made emotionally.

You can tell. When emotional, people vent or do the cold shoulder. He is doing neither.

Make no mistake he is not acting irrationally.

Ahh, how I wish. My irritation with some of the posts this gameday is a reason, but as Diaz points out above, I definitely can't blame you all for taking advantage; that's the point of the game. However, there has been logic behind 90% of my contradictions and timing of my "reveals". However, being that I'm only 13 it does get to the point of mass confusion and almost impossible to keep track of every hole in my situation and how to hide it when consistently facing pressure.

~/Just Posted~


Anyway...Ready for when I die and win because I'm D10 lyncher?

[ProHawk]

Originally Posted by Cantor

However, this decision is not being made emotionally.

You can tell. When emotional, people vent or do the cold shoulder. He is doing neither.

Make no mistake he is not acting irrationally.

I get the opposite feel from his posts and disagree with your assessment. He tried to make an argument to compel us, he has failed to obtain any supporters. People are attacking him. You are attacking his credibility, and ethics. You use threats and demands. Its a recipe for emotional response.

Anger is also often a common emotional response in addition to venting and retreating. Words like "dare", "try-me", "listen" indicate to me irrationality. He has also reverted to sarcasm and attacks in a few posts.